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While I can appreciate your wants and wishes I feel like from dev has said this is going to real nasty.. I can't wait for it
Thats it like I want it to remain the Devs vision end of the day like I get trying to please fans but I prefer if you have a vision just stick to it with adjusting to what fans want , so the way I see it il still play the game and yeah I have a preference of how I'd like to see it play out but that doesn't mean I won't enjoy the game if it doesn't go that way

Like NTR , cheating all of that doesn't bother me , I guess for me the way I see it is all of that can still happen and the wife leaves the husband or stays with the husband while he cheats , but I'm just bored of seeing the husband roll over and just accept it really , all of these things can still happen in the game it doesn't mean that the husband is required to stand by her and just accept it

So il put the question out there and Il use hutch and Vivian as the example if Vivian goes out and whores all round and say leaves hutch or comes back to him and they try to move past it ... Does it really take away from the game that much for you if hutch went well that happened and eventually moves on and finds happiness with someone else or says to Vivian look I thought I could do this but I cant and serves her with divorce papers and leaves to live a happier life , now I'm not saying that it has to be a massive part of the story I'm talking purely about an end outcome for hutch here ... Hopefully that all makes sense and I've put my point across well enough

Also that question isn't a go at the genuinely die hard NTR fan I'm more just curious to get a better understanding of it

Honestly with this game there are very much two sides those who want happiness for hutch but don't have a set preference how it happens and then those that are due hard NTR fans - in an ideal world we'd be able to find a common ground to please both rather than than being at each others throats so to speak - our motto could be peace, love and porn haha

Also duke I came up with a super dark theory that goes in hutchs favour il tag you in it as you might like it haha
 
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Gattsu#Struggler here it is but for warning it's dark as fuck


So Vivian has left hutch for Christian and over the course of weeks/months they openly flaunt it in hutch's face until one day he snaps and decides he had enough and he's going to do something about

So that evening he jumps Christian and kidnaps him and takes him to an abandoned warehouse where he's going to torture him so he decides he will cut Christians dick and fingers off and cut out his tounge also but will also cauterize the wounds so he doesn't bleed out and do blood transfusions if needed

He then proceeds to show Christian documents to blackmail him with to keep his silence to which Christian agrees to it and that he can't discuss what really happened with anyone not even Vivian or he will leak the documents ( don't know what the blackmail is yet haven't got that far haha) and hutch leaves it to Christian to come up with a story of what happened to tell people in place of the truth

Hutch then drops Christian off near his home and forces him to walk the rest of the way and hutch's drives off feeling happy that the man his wife left him for will never be able to provide her any form of sexual gratification ever again



Honestly when I heard people talking about dark theories I had a think to myself I wonder how dark I could go
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well when it come to getting darker i think there maybe a double meaning in that.. not dark as in violent but dark as in the men she may prefer .. you see how do we know she doesnt get back at christian by cucking him also with a superior darker man .. so before we all go rambo style lets look at BIG picture vivian enjoys so much.
 

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well when it come to getting darker i think there maybe a double meaning in that.. not dark as in violent but dark as in the men she may prefer .. you see how do we know she doesnt get back at christian by cucking him also with a superior darker man .. so before we all go rambo style lets look at BIG picture vivian enjoys so much.
Well I've been thinking this and theres definitely going to be that Christian or hutch bangs someone else as on the front page it mentions how will she deal with her own jealousy it's likely to be Christian but throw hutch a bone haha

Also does anyone know of a general release timeline for it yet or no?
 
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Well I've been thinking this and theres definitely going to be that Christian or hutch bangs someone else as on the front page it mentions how will she deal with her own jealousy it's likely to be Christian but throw hutch a bone haha

Also does anyone know of a general release timeline for it yet or no?
going to be a couple of months i thought
 

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Well I've been thinking this and theres definitely going to be that Christian or hutch bangs someone else as on the front page it mentions how will she deal with her own jealousy it's likely to be Christian but throw hutch a bone haha

Also does anyone know of a general release timeline for it yet or no?
You just hit on something by reading the overview. Some of us have been so immersed in the game we haven't been looking at the author's introduction. We have argued about who is to blame for the situation, but according to the intro it is mostly Vivian. That is the author's point of view. " When a wife does the wrong thing for the right reason, it threatens to destroy the very thing she was trying to protect... her family. Can she dig herself out of the hole SHE created"
 

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Well I've been thinking this and theres definitely going to be that Christian or hutch bangs someone else as on the front page it mentions how will she deal with her own jealousy it's likely to be Christian but throw hutch a bone haha

Also does anyone know of a general release timeline for it yet or no?
Why is it likely to be Christian? It's more likely that, if it's sexual/romantic, it will involve Hutch. If he's getting attention (whether he encourages it or not) from someone, say Addison, and Vivian sees or is otherwise aware of this, she is likely to be jealous. And it doesn't matter that she has been doing stuff (with Christian), as jealousy isn't a rational emotion.
 

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You just hit on something by reading the overview. Some of us have been so immersed in the game we haven't been looking at the author's introduction. We have argued about who is to blame for the situation, but according to the intro it is mostly Vivian. That is the author's point of view. " When a wife does the wrong thing for the right reason, it threatens to destroy the very thing she was trying to protect... her family. Can she dig herself out of the hole SHE created"
Well I'm glad to be off help with that , I guess we are all guilty of overlooking things in this game from time to time

I think that's were there can be a downside to many things being left to the interpretation of the reader that it will generate so many theory's, personal wants and general ideas that it's only natural that the story can end up blurred or muddy by the sheer amount of theories and thoughts put in a thread

Personally I like to think there is going to be a fair opportunity that things will come up aces for hutch based on the quote can she dig herself out of the hole she created so I like to think it could go either way , rather than it being an absolute sexual free for all and cumageddon so to speak haha

But with that it would suggest that the decision will solely be Vivian's of what she chooses and that would also suggest that it would be done without outside influence on Christians or hutch's behalf and it's her actual own genuine feelings and thoughts on it , but if that happens it remains to be seen

But based on the authors intro I personally believe that this will not be your typical NTR game and I think anything is possible and all cards are on the table

But I would be disappointed if it was driven in either direction without the other being given a fair opportunity as that for me would mean that intro is just misleading on purpose to get more people to play the game essentially trying to get as many bums on seats situation

But like I've always said yes I have a preference of how I'd like to see the game go but I won't be hurt if it doesn't go that way or bash the Dev at most Il be a bit disappointed.

Let me know what you think?
 

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Why is it likely to be Christian? It's more likely that, if it's sexual/romantic, it will involve Hutch. If he's getting attention (whether he encourages it or not) from someone, say Addison, and Vivian sees or is otherwise aware of this, she is likely to be jealous. And it doesn't matter that she has been doing stuff (with Christian), as jealousy isn't a rational emotion.
I'm actually glad you pulled me on this as I wasn't happy with how I explained it so currently as it stands with what's been released so the main sort of focus has been Vivian and Christian , now I'm almost certain that the Dev said the next update will be more around hutch or something along those lines so with out seeing it id be going off what I have seen so far

So Vivian and Christian are essentially like new shiny toys for each other , it's like any new relationship in real life it's hot , passionate, wild ,thrilling etc

Where as for Vivian and hutch yeah they have likely got themselves in a rut after all they have been married 22 years I would say it's only natural that something like that could happen

Now if we think to the living room scene where hutch opens the marriage, there is a part where Vivian suggests that if hutch needs to do to her what she has done to him that she would understand and wouldn't hold it against him or something loosely along those lines , now I can't remember if hutch didn't actually acknowledge or answer that question or just skipped past it , but what I can say is it didn't suggest that something like that was on his mind , now this isn't to say that won't change who knows

So based on that it would suggest/ lay the ground work that Vivian has no cause for concern that hutch will act outside of there marriage while it is open and again that could change but like I said this is purely off the information available at the moment

So with that even if we just had hutch and Christian side by side realistically who out of the two is more likely to play around

And to add to it one thing I've always felt about Christian is I don't think he actually cares about Vivian the vibes I get from his character are that he is incapable of caring about or loving someone that isn't himself essentially it's Christians world we all just happen to live in it sort of thing

Hopefully that helps with what you where looking for in regards to it but let me know your thoughts around I'd be more than happy to discuss further
 

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Well I'm glad to be off help with that , I guess we are all guilty of overlooking things in this game from time to time

I think that's were there can be a downside to many things being left to the interpretation of the reader that it will generate so many theory's, personal wants and general ideas that it's only natural that the story can end up blurred or muddy by the sheer amount of theories and thoughts put in a thread

Personally I like to think there is going to be a fair opportunity that things will come up aces for hutch based on the quote can she dig herself out of the hole she created so I like to think it could go either way , rather than it being an absolute sexual free for all and cumageddon so to speak haha

But with that it would suggest that the decision will solely be Vivian's of what she chooses and that would also suggest that it would be done without outside influence on Christians or hutch's behalf and it's her actual own genuine feelings and thoughts on it , but if that happens it remains to be seen

But based on the authors intro I personally believe that this will not be your typical NTR game and I think anything is possible and all cards are on the table

But I would be disappointed if it was driven in either direction without the other being given a fair opportunity as that for me would mean that intro is just misleading on purpose to get more people to play the game essentially trying to get as many bums on seats situation

But like I've always said yes I have a preference of how I'd like to see the game go but I won't be hurt if it doesn't go that way or bash the Dev at most Il be a bit disappointed.

Let me know what you think?
Like you I won't bash the developer either way. I am interested in his story despite my own theory-crafting. The part of the quote from the overview that says, "the very thing she was trying to protect... her family." definitely supports the idea that Vivian may have believed more was at stake than Hutch's job. Did she really think she was going to loose her family because Hutch lost his job? If she thought protecting the family's standard of living was protecting them, then I guess that fits depending on what you think protecting the family means. It does not meet my definition by a long shot, but maybe that is what the author thinks in this situation. It could also be a bit of a misdirect.
 
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We have argued about who is to blame for the situation, but according to the intro it is mostly Vivian.
According to release 0.2 it's Huutch.
It all started with Huutch losing the 2 clients and when questioned by Christian on his own desk, Huutch facepalmed himself as he remembered that he had obviously forgotten to reach out to the two customers.
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His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.

May be I will change my mind to whom the blame is assigned in the next release depending on the input we might get.
 

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According to release 0.2 it's Huutch.
It all started with Huutch losing the 2 clients and when questioned by Christian on his own desk, Huutch facepalmed himself as he remembered that he had obviously forgotten to reach out to the two customers.
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His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.

May be I will change my mind to whom the blame is assigned in the next release depending on the input we might get.
I was going by the overview, but that could be an example of the author switching things back and forth. I am thinking there might be some twists and turns in the story. The author could do things to flip things back and forth on who he wants the audience to blame more. That would be an example of good writing if done well.
 

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what everyone fails to see is the boss wants to steal vivian for whatever his reasons are. vivian has all the power now. she can make the boss, hutch, sons friends , mechanic do whatever she wants . but she chooses to be submissive to any man with a hardon . she gives them the attention they desire in front of hutch and son, the acts like she fels so bad about it but does it stop the hoe train? nope not at all it just makes her get nastier without regard to the feelings. she thrives on there misery then acts like the wounded duck . she cries for there misery as she gets off on piling it on them . she gets off on making them feel pain then cries afterwards. such a nasty hoe. god i love her
 
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Chaoticjustice

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According to release 0.2 it's Huutch.
It all started with Huutch losing the 2 clients and when questioned by Christian on his own desk, Huutch facepalmed himself as he remembered that he had obviously forgotten to reach out to the two customers.
View attachment 4671087
His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.

May be I will change my mind to whom the blame is assigned in the next release depending on the input we might get.
So this is where it can get muddy yes hutch lost two clients but my understanding of can she get herself out of the hole she created is that there where options they had there plan in place

But where it becomes her fault is Vivian solely made the decision to visit Christian of her own accord even tho hutch had said he never wanted them to meet

She made the decision to sleep with him countless times

So even with hutch losing two clients it was Vivians own choices and decisions that lead to the bigger issue

That's the way I look at it
 
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I was going by the overview, but that could be an example of the author switching things back and forth. I am thinking there might be some twists and turns in the story. The author could do things to flip things back and forth on who he wants the audience to blame more. That would be an example of good writing if done well.
I would agree hence why I don't think this is going to be a typical cut and dry NTR game
 

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what everyone fails to see is the boss wants to steal vivian for whatever his reasons are. vivian has all the power now. she can make the boss, hutch, sons friends , mechanic do whatever she wants . but she chooses to be submissive to any man with a hardon . she gives them the attention they desire in front of hutch and son, the acts like she fels so bad about it but does it stop the hoe train? nope not at all it just makes her get nastier without regard to the feelings. she thrives on there misery then acts like the wounded duck . she cries for there misery as she gets off on piling it on them . she gets off on making them feel pain then cries afterwards. such a nasty hoe. god i love her
I agree with parts of this but I don't think Christian out and out wants to steal her , I think he wants he wants her because he not meant to be able to have her almost like when you where young and your parents told you not to do something it just made you want to do it more

And again with Christian as mentioned I genuinely don't think he cares about or will love anyone that isn't himself

One thing I will say is I would be disappointed by the end of it when it's all done if Vivian is portrayed as the victim of it all as she is far from the victim in this situation

Like I said with the living room scene and she says she's sorry is she actually sorry or is she just sorry she got caught
 

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I agree with parts of this but I don't think Christian out and out wants to steal her , I think he wants he wants her because he not meant to be able to have her almost like when you where young and your parents told you not to do something it just made you want to do it more

And again with Christian as mentioned I genuinely don't think he cares about or will love anyone that isn't himself

One thing I will say is I would be disappointed by the end of it when it's all done if Vivian is portrayed as the victim of it all as she is far from the victim in this situation

Like I said with the living room scene and she says she's sorry is she actually sorry or is she just sorry she got caught
vivian is caught between her marital duties and her primal urges. she didnt want to lose her marriage but couldnt say no to the vitamin D. now she is caught between trying to keep her family and get all that big D anytime she wants. one hand she knows that becoming a hoe is tearing her life apart but she cant say no to it . like all cum slut cheating wives they want there cake an eat it too. as this VN progresses i feel like she will get much more aggressive and start really cucking her husband and son. then of course cry about it later. professing how she did all for them when it is a half truth because now she wants to bang other men. she realizes she doesnt enjoy hutchy anymore and gets off on there misery
 

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So with that even if we just had hutch and Christian side by side realistically who out of the two is more likely to play around
I think the main part of it for me is whether Vivian would feel jealousy if she saw Christian with another woman. Generally, I'd say not a chance - possibly even relief would be the feeling instead. Of course though, there's the whole thing about his attentions making her feel attractive, etc., so it's also possible that she could feel some small bit of jealousy at having those attentions directed elsewhere... but enough to include as a byline in the game's summary?
His desk is quite clean for someone who's good with numbers.
There are no post-it notes at the screen frame for important stuff or any other papers on the desk.
Without papers no office work can be done.
That's a pretty big sweeping statement there. Being good with numbers doesn't somehow equate to having a messy/busy desk. Plenty of offices are largely paper-free, so the absense of papers (and post-its) all over a desk can't be taken to mean anything.

Plus, remember that this is a game - the dev is reliant on there being assets available, or having to create them himself. Maybe there are clear-desk assets for an office, but no paper-strewn desks that fit the aesthetic being created. As with many many things here, I think we over-analyse a bit too much, and should just keep it simple instead!
 
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I think the main part of it for me is whether Vivian would feel jealousy if she saw Christian with another woman. Generally, I'd say not a chance - possibly even relief would be the feeling instead. Of course though, there's the whole thing about his attentions making her feel attractive, etc., so it's also possible that she could feel some small bit of jealousy at having those attentions directed elsewhere... but enough to include as a byline in the game's summary?

That's a pretty big sweeping statement there. Being good with numbers doesn't somehow equate to having a messy/busy desk. Plenty of offices are largely paper-free, so the absense of papers (and post-its) all over a desk can't be taken to mean anything.

Plus, remember that this is a game - the dev is reliant on there being assets available, or having to create them himself. Maybe there are clear-desk assets for an office, but no paper-strewn desks that fit the aesthetic being created. As with many many things here, I think we over-analyse a bit too much, and should just keep it simple instead!
Very true could it be anger misunderstood to be jealously if she sees him with someone else , how could he do this to my marriage to me and say all those things to me do all those things to me to throw it to the side for another woman sort of thing - now I'm well aware that this is a big jump/ stretch haha so it's the best I can think of until it actually happens or we get more to go off
 
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