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What I think about the game is what I've already said, it's a character study about contradictions. Vivian is an antithesis in her lifestyle and image, she's a housewife, a teacher, intelligent, a good wife and mother, but she's voluptuous, has tattoos, dresses provocatively, has short hair, all of which would be considered something of a dumb slut and on the fringes of society. She loves her family and her husband truly, I'm sure of that, but she also has desires and fetishes that her good wife lifestyle limits her. The husband also lives a contradiction, but at the end of the update he was on the way to better understanding his feelings and those of his wife, he understood this contradictory part, and I think the wife still doesn't fully understand or hasn't accepted it yet. The husband was in conflict, he still loves his wife, I think he was more upset that she was trying to hide what she did from him than the betrayal itself, and making many excuses, but he also understood that this was because she was also kind of betraying herself, not wanting to accept what he found out. He reconciled well in the end, just wanting his wife to come back to him, for them to keep the love they have, and for her to fulfill her desires without guilt.
I believe that where the game ended, it was more of an understanding of the situation on the husband's part. And in the next one it will probably go in a direction more of Vivian understanding and accepting herself.
I like the Boss's dialogues, he talks a lot about interests, that people seek their own interests and satisfactions. He knew from the beginning about the couple's plans to keep the husband's job, but they wanted to put on a veneer of virtue, which was more of an excuse and denial on Vivian's part about the reality of the situation and not to diminish her husband, where the biggest mistake would be her trying to put on this veneer of good virtue, not helping her husband. And the husband shows that he doesn't like this attitude.
I believe that where the game ended, it was more of an understanding of the situation on the husband's part. And in the next one it will probably go in a direction more of Vivian understanding and accepting herself.
I like the Boss's dialogues, he talks a lot about interests, that people seek their own interests and satisfactions. He knew from the beginning about the couple's plans to keep the husband's job, but they wanted to put on a veneer of virtue, which was more of an excuse and denial on Vivian's part about the reality of the situation and not to diminish her husband, where the biggest mistake would be her trying to put on this veneer of good virtue, not helping her husband. And the husband shows that he doesn't like this attitude.
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Perfect interpretation of the work, that's exactly what the game is. This game in short is a story of a couple confronting contradictions and dilemmas in their lives as what is outside and confronting the same within themselves, and the two things talk dialectically. When you get caught up in moralism you lose the nuances of being human, and being human is not a straight line.Well, I had a quick look at the psychological questions/dilemmas that are discussed here. It took a good while. I made a summary and included my personal point of view and thougts as I promised:
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Please feel free to ask if I skipped any juicy dilemmas or spicy psychological questions...
People here are extremely critical, and there is something at least ironic about that. They are judging in a game thread about cheating, as cheating is an erotic element. This is what Nietzsche says: "Good people have repulsive things. The least repulsive thing is the evil that exists in them."
People here want to preach good virtue while being a walking contradiction.
Some good points there and with the text I quoted the line about her being a ghost outside her body or something like that plays into that instead of being like you know what I fucked up il hold my hands up I'm in the wrong here and apologising
Also I always find it interesting in these games with the wife's desires and fetishes they never show the wife trying to act on these with the husband or partner it always just seems to go the route of he won't want to or he won't do it
Then the FMC eventually decides to do these with someone else
Which is where it all boils down to communication, now this might be naive of me to think but I do often think in a marriage or long term relationship if one party is bored or wants to try new things the chances are the other party likely feels the same way - obviously this is before either party cheats if it gets that far it is
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I believe that in most marriages, people love the perception that the other person has made of them, or even enter into it loving another ideal that they have projected onto their spouse. They never show 100%, and so are never loved for their entirety. And depending on the culture, as in the comments above, or even in social niches, you cannot afford to expose your sexuality or your entire being, which can be dangerous to your own material security in every sense and emotionally.
I would agree with that 100%
I actually seen a really good line in another game about a married couple where the husband said to the wife that they where too respectful of eachother in there relationship to just Fuck...so essentially meaning it's all about making love and it all has to be planned and go 100% as planned etc and I agree that sounds boring as fuck haha
Like spice it up be spontaneous sometimes you know haha il use hutch and Vivian as an example - hutch comes home from work Vivian's in the kitchen making dinner ... Throw caution to the wind bend her over that worktop and rail her right there in the kitchen it's simple things like that which can make a world of difference especially when a couples sex life has become stagnant
The discussion has shifted Vivians behaviour from a totallly instrumental and transactional use of sex towards a legitimate cure for alleged sexual frustration in her marriage. Congratulations! A reaction to economic blackmail is reinterpreted as sexual liberation and exploration.
We can try it that way, it's just remarkable.
We can try it that way, it's just remarkable.
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the way i see this VN is vivian has been driving the car thru the entire marriage. hutch has been a good father an husband thru it all but in essence hutch has been a paycheck for the family to survive. vivian has been doing what society told her to do an thats maintain house an family with a part time job. then she cheats for whatever her reasons are. i have said before an will again i dont think its the fact she cheated but the manner in which she did it. its one thing to know it , it is another to be forced witness it and hear it. now its at a dangerous point.. will repressed rage make hutch do something very bad to get even or will he lay down an be a good little cuck . at the moment this VN could so many different directions its crazy .. hmmmm which way will it go i wonder.
I agree, but I think that at this point the relationship will gradually cool down. The person doesn't even realize it, they get used to the routine. The person's subconscious is even alert, but they don't realize it. That's why there has to be communication, as you said. I believe that in most cultures marriage means becoming one flesh, and I believe that this flesh will rot when you are not connected enough.
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Yes, it kind of becomes a relationship where the wife becomes the husband's mother and the husband the wife's father, a provider, then the sexual relationship cools down because of these roles they have placed themselves into without realizing it.
I gave statistics in which Portugal is in first place in divorces in Europe - something like over 93%
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Hey hey hey, what are those videos pinned in your comment?
What a great animation. Does anyone know the name of this game or video?