VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [Ch.6 Final] [CircleGames]

[Newbe163]

I agree, this is a very common problem in many games and perhaps it is also something like a lack of dialogue between players and developers.

Had a chat with a developer of another novel, who also is heavily behind. As long as there is communication with the community and some explanation, all is fine. The first: the developer is quiet, not giving any info at all. Then you really lose confidence and - for the once supporting financially - stop this support

 

[Joratox]

This is a problem with multiple devs.

>put out game
>people support it because they want more of the game
>instead of putting out more of the game in a fair timeline, they expand the scope of the game and spend more time improving quality than actually putting content out

It's a disconnect between the dev wanting to improve their skills / quality of the game and the people paying who want more of the game and would be fine with the original quality of renders etc.

I think you confuse what you want with what other people want. Your wants and opinions are not the same as others. I've supported about 15 games in the last 8 years (not all at once ofc) and it was never my strong desire to just have updates faster. I've pushed for better quality, animations, expanding the story/universe, etc. I've also been working in the gaming development business for more that 20 years now(I've been in QA for 10 years then moved to Scrum, then to Production and worked for 3 big companies and 2 smaller ones) and from all business intelligence reports I've read, quality improvement was always winning over other tracked data, it doesn't matter if it was a AAA game or an indie/smaller one. I not saying this to somehow boast, just truly want to give you and others here another perspective and maybe see things through another lens/broaden your thinking.

It's easy to mistake this if you only read F95 forums and see other pirates yelling left and right for faster updates, only their specific fetish covered or other selfish demands. If you go on devs discords or patreon, you will see a whole other kind of atmosphere, even if you will have a random ask for faster updates you will quickly see that one is not a paying supporter (not speaking about this game in particular, but other ones too, since you clearly want to make a statement about multiple developers/games).

Of course, there will always be devs that abuse this and lengthen their cycles artificially, but I haven't seen signs of this behavior for CG.

Feel free to persist in your thinking, but games like this gaining supporters month by month are a very good indicator that your thinking/opinion is not the general one. You also should start to learn that usually, a minority of people will complain even when things are going well, it's inevitable. But when you see the game gaining support, it means that people like how things are going or that game would go downhill very very fast, you can't miss it.
Enjoy your day and fap away, we're all fap bros around here, some of us just know more about how games are made.

 

[Jdsiis]

I think you confuse what you want with what other people want. Your wants and opinions are not the same as others. I've supported about 15 games in the last 8 years (not all at once ofc) and it was never my strong desire to just have updates faster. I've pushed for better quality, animations, expanding the story/universe, etc. I've also been working in the gaming development business for more that 20 years now(I've been in QA for 10 years then moved to Scrum, then to Production and worked for 3 big companies and 2 smaller ones) and from all business intelligence reports I've read, quality improvement was always winning over other tracked data, it doesn't matter if it was a AAA game or an indie/smaller one. I not saying this to somehow boast, just truly want to give you and others here another perspective and maybe see things through another lens/broaden your thinking.

It's easy to mistake this if you only read F95 forums and see other pirates yelling left and right for faster updates, only their specific fetish covered or other selfish demands. If you go on devs discords or patreon, you will see a whole other kind of atmosphere, even if you will have a random ask for faster updates you will quickly see that one is not a paying supporter (not speaking about this game in particular, but other ones too, since you clearly want to make a statement about multiple developers/games).

Of course, there will always be devs that abuse this and lengthen their cycles artificially, but I haven't seen signs of this behavior for CG.

Feel free to persist in your thinking, but games like this gaining supporters month by month are a very good indicator that your thinking/opinion is not the general one. You also should start to learn that usually, a minority of people will complain even when things are going well, it's inevitable. But when you see the game gaining support, it means that people like how things are going or that game would go downhill very very fast, you can't miss it.
Enjoy your day and fap away, we're all fap bros around here, some of us just know more about how games are made.

I didn't state what my opinion was.

I'm personally in the middle. I think improving as you go taking a little extra time is fine.

But we see a lot of devs push timelines back. Recreate the whole game etc. Etc.

Has to be a middle ground.

I'm not directing this at the creator of mngf specifically, just devs in general

 

[abirvg]

It's easy to mistake this if you only read F95 forums and see other pirates yelling left and right for faster updates, only their specific fetish covered or other selfish demands. If you go on devs discords or patreon, you will see a whole other kind of atmosphere, even if you will have a random ask for faster updates you will quickly see that one is not a paying supporter (not speaking about this game in particular, but other ones too, since you clearly want to make a statement about multiple developers/games).

Ok, so pirates want more content <=> while paying customers want higher quality.


Not saying that your sentiment is wrong, but come on. How these 4 elements correlate to each other?

 

[memeLordo]

How these 4 elements correlate to each other?

Pirates. Gooners. Devs. Patrons.
My grandmother used to tell me stories about the old days; a time of peace when the Avatar kept balance between the Pirate Tribes, Gooner Kingdom, Dev Nation and Patreon Nomads. But that all changed when the Dev Nation attacked. Only the Avatar could master all four elements. Only he could stop the ruthless paywalls, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years have passed, and the Dev Nation is nearing victory in the war. Two years ago, my father and the men of my tribe journeyed to the Gooner Kingdom to help fight against the Dev Nation, leaving me and my brother to look after our tribe. Some people believe that the Avatar was never reborn into the Patreon Nomads and that the cycle is broken, but I haven't lost hope. I still believe that somehow, the Avatar will return to save the world.

 

[Joratox]

Ok, so pirates want more content <=> while paying customers want higher quality.


Not saying that your sentiment is wrong, but come on. How these 4 elements correlate to each other?

TLDR ... yes, I'm pretty certain pirates will advocate for more content, while payers will want better content, even if delayed.

Well, I apologize, not all pirates. I was talking about the ones that just pop-up on threads to whine about updates, milking, their specific kink not being shown in the recent update, etc. I've been around this site for a while, it's very easy to see them, their only posts on different threads are like that. There are those pirates, me included (since I can't be called a paying customer for all games lol), that actually play the games, not just ctrl skip to the fap scenes then go whine on the forum that the update was 5 min long and stuff like that.
It is also a thing that I've learned in my work experience, that paying players will always want to wait for a higher quality product to consume. People that always get stuff for free tend to take things for granted and things like quality are of lower value. It's something the companies I've worked for actually track, paying customers feedback vs free customers feedback.
Of course this isn't a 100% full proof fact, there are always outliers to every category.
My post was made in response to the other poster that stated in no uncertain terms that people support on patreon is because they want more content. Like that was the only reason for support and devs don't understand that and they focus on other things.

 

[BasedDenier]

I'd be very ok with buying the early access game on steam and conveniently getting updates there automatically. I currently have 25 adult games on EA in my Steam account.

What I won't do is sponsor monthly endlessly through Patreon.

 

[abirvg]

TLDR ... yes, I'm pretty certain pirates will advocate for more content, while payers will want better content, even if delayed.

Well, I apologize, not all pirates. I was talking about the ones that just pop-up on threads to whine about updates, milking, their specific kink not being shown in the recent update, etc. I've been around this site for a while, it's very easy to see them, their only posts on different threads are like that. There are those pirates, me included (since I can't be called a paying customer for all games lol), that actually play the games, not just ctrl skip to the fap scenes then go whine on the forum that the update was 5 min long and stuff like that.
It is also a thing that I've learned in my work experience, that paying players will always want to wait for a higher quality product to consume. People that always get stuff for free tend to take things for granted and things like quality are of lower value. It's something the companies I've worked for actually track, paying customers feedback vs free customers feedback.
Of course this isn't a 100% full proof fact, there are always outliers to every category.
My post was made in response to the other poster that stated in no uncertain terms that people support on patreon is because they want more content. Like that was the only reason for support and devs don't understand that and they focus on other things.

Still didn't say what could possibly be the correlation - outside personal anecdotes.
But I won't argue. In the end, it was just a funny thing to hear. Logically. Not a contention point.

 

[Joratox]

Still didn't say what could possibly be the correlation - outside personal anecdotes.
But I won't argue. In the end, it was just a funny thing to hear. Logically. Not a contention point.

While it was my personal experience that made me draw that conclusion, it was based on real data that I've worked with. So it was a logical correlation, even though you may not perceive it as that since it's true that I could be lying about it to make my point I'm not trying to argue either, so I'll stop here with my explanation, but if you feel that you want to know more about the subject, googling things in today's world is very easy. You can even use AI and will get a more focused response. Just search some studies about paying/free customers and you'll most likely find better facts/explanations than what I've tried to do. I did say I did not work in marketing, so convincing people is not my forte
Cheers!

 

[FnBAurora]

I think you confuse what you want with what other people want. Your wants and opinions are not the same as others. I've supported about 15 games in the last 8 years (not all at once ofc) and it was never my strong desire to just have updates faster. I've pushed for better quality, animations, expanding the story/universe, etc. I've also been working in the gaming development business for more that 20 years now(I've been in QA for 10 years then moved to Scrum, then to Production and worked for 3 big companies and 2 smaller ones) and from all business intelligence reports I've read, quality improvement was always winning over other tracked data, it doesn't matter if it was a AAA game or an indie/smaller one. I not saying this to somehow boast, just truly want to give you and others here another perspective and maybe see things through another lens/broaden your thinking.

It's easy to mistake this if you only read F95 forums and see other pirates yelling left and right for faster updates, only their specific fetish covered or other selfish demands. If you go on devs discords or patreon, you will see a whole other kind of atmosphere, even if you will have a random ask for faster updates you will quickly see that one is not a paying supporter (not speaking about this game in particular, but other ones too, since you clearly want to make a statement about multiple developers/games).

Of course, there will always be devs that abuse this and lengthen their cycles artificially, but I haven't seen signs of this behavior for CG.

Feel free to persist in your thinking, but games like this gaining supporters month by month are a very good indicator that your thinking/opinion is not the general one. You also should start to learn that usually, a minority of people will complain even when things are going well, it's inevitable. But when you see the game gaining support, it means that people like how things are going or that game would go downhill very very fast, you can't miss it.
Enjoy your day and fap away, we're all fap bros around here, some of us just know more about how games are made.

Except this game's supporter growth percentage has massively decrased. It is stuck to 1200s for months. Fast updates is the crucial factor for me to subscribe and i stopped supporting few games because of this very reason. Just like you said, i am here to fap. I don't want expedition 33 or baldur's gate from porn game. So this whole animation, graphics quality increase is a total nonsense to me.

 

[Joratox]

Except this game's supporter growth percentage has massively decrased. It is stuck to 1200s for months. Fast updates is the crucial factor for me to subscribe and i stopped supporting few games because of this very reason. Just like you said, i am here to fap. I don't want expedition 33 or baldur's gate from porn game. So this whole animation, graphics quality increase is a total nonsense to me.

I think I've already said that I'm not dealing in absolutes, there will always be outliers and players looking for different things. And that's great, we are fortunately, all different. I don't have the data for how many subs he had/has, but from what I remember it grew a bit each month. It's hard to get that many more subs after reaching a point. Anyway, you might be right and I might be wrong, but I haven't personally seen a game (even a porn game, on this site) lose out in the long run, just because the dev cycle grew longer, at least while improving quality and expanding on the story. The only way to lose in the long run is to abuse this to the extreme and don't get content out for ridiculous amounts of time, which is not the case of MNGF, for now.

But cmon man, I would love to have porn games with Expedition 33/BG3 content. Don't take this away from me Let me have hope! After all there's a reason most AAA games with mods have a lot of...porn related mods

 

[SymbioticLife]

Except this game's supporter growth percentage has massively decrased. It is stuck to 1200s for months. Fast updates is the crucial factor for me to subscribe and i stopped supporting few games because of this very reason. Just like you said, i am here to fap. I don't want expedition 33 or baldur's gate from porn game. So this whole animation, graphics quality increase is a total nonsense to me.

Incorrect actually, while it's gone back down to 1274 it hit a new high after the last update (and it's still higher than it's in between updates spot before), a couple hundred above the previous. The space (Both AI CG games and NTS, and even games with an NTS/harem/multi genre mix) has become more competitive than ever, which likely has more to do with the slow down in growth than anything else, that and standard concepts of market cap (NTS is niche in the first place). Yet despite all of that he's maintained a slow but consistent growth update to update.

Yes, it's certainly possible if he pumped out quick slop he'd make more money, there are certainly slop games out there raking it in. But then he'd burn out working on things he does not personally enjoy or take pride in, so why would he do that?

It's a moot point that's been fairly beaten to death at this point in any case. He's not going to budge on the quality vs speed, and enough people are perfectly fine with that to fund the development. For those who aren't, he's gone as far as refunded people in the past so I'm failing to see where the issue is.

 

[VoyeurRed]

Incorrect actually, while it's gone back down to 1274 it hit a new high after the last update (and it's still higher than it's in between updates spot before), a couple hundred above the previous. The space (Both AI CG games and NTS, and even games with an NTS/harem/multi genre mix) has become more competitive than ever, which likely has more to do with the slow down in growth than anything else, that and standard concepts of market cap (NTS is niche in the first place). Yet despite all of that he's maintained a slow but consistent growth update to update.

Yes, it's certainly possible if he pumped out quick slop he'd make more money, there are certainly slop games out there raking it in. But then he'd burn out working on things he does not personally enjoy or take pride in, so why would he do that?

It's a moot point that's been fairly beaten to death at this point in any case. He's not going to budge on the quality vs speed, and enough people are perfectly fine with that to fund the development. For those who aren't, he's gone as far as refunded people in the past so I'm failing to see where the issue is.

Not joining this particular convo, just wanted to ask....why doesn't CircleGames talk for himself anymore?

 

[SymbioticLife]

Not joining this particular convo, just wanted to ask....why doesn't CircleGames talk for himself anymore?

I take time out of my day to do so but talking in circles (pun intended) endlessly about the same few subjects isn't really a great use of time in general. CG talks for himself on the discord.

 

[CircleGames]

Not joining this particular convo, just wanted to ask....why doesn't CircleGames talk for himself anymore?

Mostly because I don't like bad faith arguments...and there's tons of those here...plus I don't think it's necessary for me to chime in every comment but I will reply if I'm tagged in it. Besides, I have a discord channel just for questions and I never failed to reply there, unless I'm really busy or away. But yeah, I said mutiple times, if you want me here just tag me, if I see a coment that peeks my interest I might reply, but I haven't seem much of those lately. This thread can get really negative sometimes ( And I'm not talking about genuine criticism, more about the other stuff...guess it's to be expected due to the size of the fanbase ) so now I don't come here as often, I had a desire to post here more at the beginning but that drive faded away now, I just don't have the energy to argue with people anymore unless I'm called upon...

 

[USS Cabaret]

Mostly because I don't like bad faith arguments...and there's tons of those here...plus I don't think it's necessary for me to chime in every comment but I will reply if I'm tagged in it. Besides, I have a discord channel just for questions and I never failed to reply there, unless I'm really busy or away. But yeah, I said mutiple times, if you want me here just tag me, if I see a coment that peeks my interest I might reply, but I haven't seem much of those lately. This thread can get really negative sometimes ( And I'm not talking about genuine criticism, more about the other stuff...guess it's to be expected due to the size of the fanbase ) so now I don't come here as often, I had a desire to post here more at the beginning but that drive faded away now, I just don't have the energy to argue with people anymore unless I'm called upon...

You and LlamaMan both started their games by talking constantly in this forum but gradually stopped as non-supporters whined and complained about every little thing. It sucks because you are both good devs making games which people enjoy.

Seriously, I hope you know that a lot of us are cheering you on, Don't think the vocal minority is the general consensus. Keep producing a good game and you'll keep gaining fans. You deserve them.

Have a ninja kitten for your troubles and to help you forget the toxic idiots who post in this thread.

 

[VoyeurRed]

Mostly because I don't like bad faith arguments...and there's tons of those here...plus I don't think it's necessary for me to chime in every comment but I will reply if I'm tagged in it. Besides, I have a discord channel just for questions and I never failed to reply there, unless I'm really busy or away. But yeah, I said mutiple times, if you want me here just tag me, if I see a coment that peeks my interest I might reply, but I haven't seem much of those lately. This thread can get really negative sometimes ( And I'm not talking about genuine criticism, more about the other stuff...guess it's to be expected due to the size of the fanbase ) so now I don't come here as often, I had a desire to post here more at the beginning but that drive faded away now, I just don't have the energy to argue with people anymore unless I'm called upon...

CircleGames I totally get where you're coming from, there seems to be a lot of stupid ass arguments and stuff on here when it shouldn't be that way, sad to see you don't interact as much in here though. I for one ain't able to always "support" the devs I love because....well I support my family I have to take care of first and foremost....so I'm not in ur discord, but glad to see they didn't replace you with a mimic or something lol

And SymbioticLife I didn't mean anything by what I said I was just curious is all....like I stated I wasn't trying to get in that dumb convo that was going on, I'd rather see positive feedback or general questions, not the negative vibes

 

[VoyeurRed]

Hi CircleGames , me again sorry, when do you think this thread can get the updated version of the game for the android on the original page?

Because it still says 5.3v3 and not "after party v2"....or is that the same thing?

And if you're not who I ask, then who DO I ask?

 

[CircleGames]

Hi CircleGames , me again sorry, when do you think this thread can get the updated version of the game for the android on the original page?

Because it still says 5.3v3 and not "after party v2"....or is that the same thing?

And if you're not who I ask, then who DO I ask?

It should be the latest version ,doesn't it have the final image with Eric in the middle of the girls?

 

[Minx077]

Hi CircleGames , me again sorry, when do you think this thread can get the updated version of the game for the android on the original page?

Because it still says 5.3v3 and not "after party v2"....or is that the same thing?

And if you're not who I ask, then who DO I ask?

Why don't you just use the windows version with Joiplay?