VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [Ch.6 Final] [CircleGames]

[angel__666]

The fact that people care so passionately about these Asian concepts of NTR and NTS keeps ruining games and these threads. Seriously, who wants to read a book of fiction when you already know how the plot is going to develop? I feel sorry for people who need their erotic fiction to conform with the "rules" of NTR or NTS. I really do. It's one thing to view real life relationships with a certain moral compass but we're not talking about that here, we're talking about a work of fiction. A great book or movie is still a great work even if you don't agree with how the plot developed or if you personally would have done things differently with the story. Honestly, it all stinks of authoritarianism and a lack of free expression.

From reading his "update", it seems that Circle is now going to "change some things" to better "fit" with whatever concept some element of his fan base wants to see. Anytime an artist, a creator, a writer, or a director changes his vision to "please" a segment of the audience he is succumbing to censorship in one form or another. So now one half of the NTR/NTS group will be pleased with the "changes" and the other half will be disappointed. Here we go again. Game developers just need to make games and stop "listening" to what people on forums want to see.

This tag war is useless and only generates tons of posts between NTRxNTS that goes absolutely nowhere.

But let's be honest, this only happens because the devs starts selling their product still in the early beginning. Neither the own dev knows how the rest of the story will develop, because he will do it according to what the patreons want. And this imo is the wrong way to consume this product, because it's not a game with a multiple branches, it's a VN.

You're are intended to play a VN just like you read a book, in other words, your story must be 100% of what the author wanted to do. But for that we must have the whole book released to be consumed. When we have small chapters released in a wide timeframe, people keep months wondering how good the story would be if this or that happening... And then when they get the new chapter from the author, they get disappointed.

You're are too eager to receive the whole content at once, but this is not gonna happen, because the dude need somehow to make money with his work..

PS: Rework chapters just to fill patreons whishes in not acceptable for me. If you don't have a clear idea of your plot, better don't even create anything

 

[yourmomma]

This tag war is useless and only generates tons of posts between NTRxNTS that goes absolutely nowhere.

But let's be honest, this only happens because the devs starts selling their product still in the early beginning. Neither the own dev knows how the rest of the story will develop, because he will do it according to what the patreons want. And this imo is the wrong way to consume this product, because it's not a game with a multiple branches, it's a VN.

You're are intended to play a VN just like you read a book, in other words, your story must be 100% of what the author wanted to do. But for that we must have the whole book released to be consumed. When we have small chapters released in a wide timeframe, people keep months wondering how good the story would be if this or that happening... And then when they get the new chapter from the author, they get disappointed.

You're are too eager to receive the whole content at once, but this is not gonna happen, because the dude need somehow to make money with his work..

PS: Rework chapters just to fill patreons whishes in not acceptable for me. If you don't have a clear idea of your plot, better don't even create anything

Seriously. It's really restrictive and creates a rigid story structure and then there are endless arguments in the threads over semantics. I swear everyone arguing about this are on the spectrum.

I hope most devs ignore it all and just write the stories the way they want to. Without restrictions.

 

[JarrenBlake]

This tag war is useless and only generates tons of posts between NTRxNTS that goes absolutely nowhere.

But let's be honest, this only happens because the devs starts selling their product still in the early beginning. Neither the own dev knows how the rest of the story will develop, because he will do it according to what the patreons want. And this imo is the wrong way to consume this product, because it's not a game with a multiple branches, it's a VN.

You're are intended to play a VN just like you read a book, in other words, your story must be 100% of what the author wanted to do. But for that we must have the whole book released to be consumed. When we have small chapters released in a wide timeframe, people keep months wondering how good the story would be if this or that happening... And then when they get the new chapter from the author, they get disappointed.

You're are too eager to receive the whole content at once, but this is not gonna happen, because the dude need somehow to make money with his work..

PS: Rework chapters just to fill patreons whishes in not acceptable for me. If you don't have a clear idea of your plot, better don't even create anything

I can understand everything said here, even if I don't agree with some of it. The arguments are valid points. But I will say that changing a pace point (in this case) is not the same as changing the plot. The plot remains the same, the ultimate end seemingly remains the same. It is just that another scene will be added into the mix to smooth progression. Which is something that happens all the time in writing. It is just, as to your point, we are typically not privy to that in a novel, that has been more of a hallmark of game development. It happens in novels too, it is just that it occurs between an author, their publisher/editor and those close to them. Entire written chapters have been scrapped and redone. Games however, make these type of public feedback induced changes all the time, whether that feedback is internal or external. Many times the dev had two different ideas in mind and just had to choose one, only to rethink and choose the other.

As for this game, there is no change to fact that VI is about to start exploring other men more fully, for better or for worse, that is the direction and nothing has changed that.

 

[BigMikeDD]

just now saw the dev update, yea he has no idea what he is doing, did he really need feedback to understand that the scene of the blowjob was completely out of character and made no sense in the current plot, as someone mention before bruce ended up having more control over her than Erik, what a mess don't have much hope for the game.

 

[Joi_fan]

If this game had choices, even just a few main ones, it would be a lot better.

 

[JarrenBlake]

just now saw the dev update, yea he has no idea what he is doing, did he really need feedback to understand that the scene of the blowjob was completely out of character and made no sense in the current plot, as someone mention before bruce ended up having more control over her than Erik, what a mess don't have much hope for the game.

Yeah I made note of my dislike of the Bruce character in general #Never Bruce. Just the way that his interactions with VI are written just gives me meh feelings. I mean I get it, Bruce represents corruption into the land of porn and so forth, but that is just the road I actually do not want VI going down. She is slutty, I get that, but I prefer her as the teasing kind. We already got turbo sluts with Ari and Maki. Also #NeverBruce is typically about separating the two mains which lead to this whole out of place sequence in the first place. Swap Bruce with Erik behind the camera, Vi performing said acts as Erik watches/directs her pushing said directions to another level or making unexpected choices all while looking into the camera.

For me, the strength of this VN is them as a couple. Vi will be with other men, and women for that matter. But I want the two of them (Erik and VI) doing such to please each other, that they are each other's #1. Vi teases and does dirty things to get Erik aroused and then "punish" her. I also get however that part of the discord is that there are plenty here that want a VI corruption arc and would enjoy an Erik humiliation arc to go with it. Bruce as currently written with his influence over VI seems to facilitate that. Which for me, if such an arc plays out, would be my exit. VI as the Ooglefans Ho train just does not do it for me. So, in that vein I would be fine if the Bruce character and role died in a fire. But that is very unlikely to happen, so will just hope that this seeming influence get muted going forward.

 

[Dmitr]

Review of Chapter 6 Release

The long-awaited release of Chapter 6 has finally arrived. It’s hard to deny that the visuals and animation quality have improved — that’s very noticeable. But with higher-quality art and animation, the pace of development slows down.

From my perspective, Chapters 3–4 felt longer in terms of gameplay, while still maintaining a solid visual standard. Do we really need such polished quality if it comes at the cost of slower chapter releases? Personally, I don’t think so. There’s little sense in perfecting every image to CG’s standard if it delays the release schedule.

Chapter 5, with its two DLCs stretched across six months, really hurt the project’s reputation. That said, if we look purely at the narrative, Chapter 5 with its DLC was actually very strong in terms of storytelling.

Yes, fans finally got what they’d been waiting for. I understand the pressure CG was under from the audience. Still, it’s worth noting that Chapter 6 jumped heavily into lust, which might have left a poor impression on those who value story over sexual content. I personally enjoy a steady narrative that doesn’t spike too suddenly in terms of explicitness.

CG’s main issue is the slow pace of development, though that’s understandable depending on the team size. But imagine if Chapter 5 and its DLC had been released within three months — that could’ve made it a project of the year for me. In Chapter 5, CG handled the narrative progression very well.

Comparing Chapters 5 and 6, the contrast in the characters’ level of lust is striking, and it dramatically changes the storytelling landscape. For me, Chapter 6 feels like something between the beginning of the end and the project’s actual finale. With such a sharp escalation, it’s nearly impossible to continue the story while maintaining consistent pacing. Fans already got what they wanted. If CG keeps churning content like a conveyor belt, the project risks becoming just another porn game with pictures.

That might appeal to those who skip all the dialogue, but for people who value the story, there won’t be much left to hold their attention.

In terms of pacing, Chapter 6 is a clear step above its predecessors. The photoshoot scene was as strong as in Chapter 4 — CG knows exactly how to portray Bruce as a photographer and his client, Vi. That’s definitely one of his strengths.

The fitting room scene with Anya, however, escalated far too quickly. There were countless ways her relationship with Eric could have been developed more gradually. It felt like Anya had taken some “lust pill” from SoA, losing all control of her desires. That storyline disappointed me — it was rushed. Honestly, even if Anya had given Rob a blowjob in Chapter 5’s DLC after Maki, it would have felt less rushed than her sudden moment with Eric in the fitting room.

Eric himself felt lost and unhinged in Chapter 6, almost as if he was on some kind of drugs. His character came across as pathetic, like he had dropped the baton and lost control of his own fate. That said, this actually fits the narrative arc — Eric is no longer as important to the story, and his “loss of the baton” works as part of his storyline.

Overall, it’s clear CG put a lot of effort into Chapter 6, trying to satisfy both groups: those who just want adult content and those who care about the story. SoA and MNG worked well together, and by the third quarter they had really leveled up as creators. This is a new stage for them.

Still, I’d recommend CG expand beyond Patreon and SubscribeStar — platforms like Boosty.to or Donation Alerts would make sense.

Will it be interesting to follow the story further? For me, that’s a tough question. After Chapter 6, I don’t expect the narrative to deliver the same captivating experience. Personally, I’ll just be waiting for a grand finale.

 

[PragmaticCynic]

Review of Chapter 6 Release

The long-awaited release of Chapter 6 has finally arrived. It’s hard to deny that the visuals and animation quality have improved — that’s very noticeable. But with higher-quality art and animation, the pace of development slows down.

From my perspective, Chapters 3–4 felt longer in terms of gameplay, while still maintaining a solid visual standard. Do we really need such polished quality if it comes at the cost of slower chapter releases? Personally, I don’t think so. There’s little sense in perfecting every image to CG’s standard if it delays the release schedule.

Chapter 5, with its two DLCs stretched across six months, really hurt the project’s reputation. That said, if we look purely at the narrative, Chapter 5 with its DLC was actually very strong in terms of storytelling.

Yes, fans finally got what they’d been waiting for. I understand the pressure CG was under from the audience. Still, it’s worth noting that Chapter 6 jumped heavily into lust, which might have left a poor impression on those who value story over sexual content. I personally enjoy a steady narrative that doesn’t spike too suddenly in terms of explicitness.

CG’s main issue is the slow pace of development, though that’s understandable depending on the team size. But imagine if Chapter 5 and its DLC had been released within three months — that could’ve made it a project of the year for me. In Chapter 5, CG handled the narrative progression very well.

Comparing Chapters 5 and 6, the contrast in the characters’ level of lust is striking, and it dramatically changes the storytelling landscape. For me, Chapter 6 feels like something between the beginning of the end and the project’s actual finale. With such a sharp escalation, it’s nearly impossible to continue the story while maintaining consistent pacing. Fans already got what they wanted. If CG keeps churning content like a conveyor belt, the project risks becoming just another porn game with pictures.

That might appeal to those who skip all the dialogue, but for people who value the story, there won’t be much left to hold their attention.

In terms of pacing, Chapter 6 is a clear step above its predecessors. The photoshoot scene was as strong as in Chapter 4 — CG knows exactly how to portray Bruce as a photographer and his client, Vi. That’s definitely one of his strengths.

The fitting room scene with Anya, however, escalated far too quickly. There were countless ways her relationship with Eric could have been developed more gradually. It felt like Anya had taken some “lust pill” from SoA, losing all control of her desires. That storyline disappointed me — it was rushed. Honestly, even if Anya had given Rob a blowjob in Chapter 5’s DLC after Maki, it would have felt less rushed than her sudden moment with Eric in the fitting room.

Eric himself felt lost and unhinged in Chapter 6, almost as if he was on some kind of drugs. His character came across as pathetic, like he had dropped the baton and lost control of his own fate. That said, this actually fits the narrative arc — Eric is no longer as important to the story, and his “loss of the baton” works as part of his storyline.

Overall, it’s clear CG put a lot of effort into Chapter 6, trying to satisfy both groups: those who just want adult content and those who care about the story. SoA and MNG worked well together, and by the third quarter they had really leveled up as creators. This is a new stage for them.

Still, I’d recommend CG expand beyond Patreon and SubscribeStar — platforms like Boosty.to or Donation Alerts would make sense.

Will it be interesting to follow the story further? For me, that’s a tough question. After Chapter 6, I don’t expect the narrative to deliver the same captivating experience. Personally, I’ll just be waiting for a grand finale.
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[Yougiblack]

I don't think chapter 6 went off the handle too much sure it jumped it terms of pace but nothing too too much, so why tf are people whining and CG backtracking again and switching out scenes wtf again another rewrite? I feel it could be a strategy where he releases something to calm the masses regarding the slow burning pace, then ends up rewriting and slows the pace down again like just stick to what you already released it's not like it's the first or second chapter and not like you're surprised by the outcome you literally wrote the story and rendered its scènes why now change and backtrack? It's already 6 chapters down and y'all complaining about the pace jumping or being too much? Wtf when does it need to start getting serious then? She already jerked someone and messed around with teasings so that's just a warmup BJ we're not even sure if it's a full blown BJ or not but compared to aris scene it maybe like dude already fucked the living out of her holes as a payback for a simple bj. I feel if this continues we'll see alot of rewrites and too much time wasted between chapters.

 

[JarrenBlake]

Yes, fans finally got what they’d been waiting for. I understand the pressure CG was under from the audience. Still, it’s worth noting that Chapter 6 jumped heavily into lust, which might have left a poor impression on those who value story over sexual content. I personally enjoy a steady narrative that doesn’t spike too suddenly in terms of explicitness.

I agree on this point, there was a definite spike and those looking for the narrative felt things jumped awry. As I commented it felt like a step or set of scenes were missing. I did not feel that we got to any of these destinations with a good flow or rhythm.

In terms of pacing, Chapter 6 is a clear step above its predecessors. The photoshoot scene was as strong as in Chapter 4 — CG knows exactly how to portray Bruce as a photographer and his client, Vi. That’s definitely one of his strengths.

I am on record regarding my feelings for the Bruce scenes. For me it is at the core of some of the issues. It pushes Vi's pace and separates her from Erik. It also in turn has to be met by a push in pace for everyone else as she is too central to the overall story. Its is the Bruce arc that makes Eric feel less important and at a loss of his fate. While her scenes with Bruce may be well written, it is a division in the overall story that the current development pace cannot support. In truth if feels that CG would have to go with one story or the other. And as a story, the Bruce interactions have a shelf life with how they would need to develop. Vi and Eric's "talk" and then alley action in chapter 5 provided both sexual charge and emotional connection that could be more deeply explored. The Bruce stuff as a lust train may be easier to write/understand but for me it's impact is only in how it outpaces and separates VI from others. As due to development pacing, when she does something there, it will be 6 months or more until it is "resolved" with the other aspects of her life...if that. And like women who get into nude modeling, then adult modeling, you always have to raise the "perversion". Which leads to Porn with Pictures.

The fitting room scene with Anya, however, escalated far too quickly. There were countless ways her relationship with Eric could have been developed more gradually. It felt like Anya had taken some “lust pill” from SoA, losing all control of her desires. That storyline disappointed me — it was rushed. Honestly, even if Anya had given Rob a blowjob in Chapter 5’s DLC after Maki, it would have felt less rushed than her sudden moment with Eric in the fitting room.

The Anya scene, which I agree felt rush, I see the seeds for her acting this way and we could say that the events of Cha5 pushed her to be more bold, but it felt too much too soon. Especially without a pushing force like Maki or even VI there to egg it on. Flirting, flashing, an attempt at kissing seemed more the path, but that would have never matched what was being pushed elsewhere. But what you said here of Anya giving a BJ to Rob in Ch5 would have felt less rush is my own observations on VI in Cha 6 as well. If she had performed oral on Sai during the Alley scene, it would have made much more sense. For her to pass on that only to do so when with Bruce and away from Eric. Well see the above diatribe on how the photoshoot is hurting everything else. It would have also allowed the Cha 6 scenes to be better processed.

SoA and MNG worked well together, and by the third quarter they had really leveled up as creators. This is a new stage for them.

My two cents, I would love for the Dev to get Eric back on course and back involved. Focus on story that has him and VI pushing through all of this together. Avoid having Eric go the route of SOA's Alice. Narrow the world focus back to a circle of friends and families. Between Eric's house, the neighbors, and the "school chums" there is already far too much that needs attention. The segway into what I feel is the domain of SOA is just not needed. But admittedly as these two projects are linked that crossing could be the ultimate goal.

Will it be interesting to follow the story further? For me, that’s a tough question. After Chapter 6, I don’t expect the narrative to deliver the same captivating experience. Personally, I’ll just be waiting for a grand finale.

I have not yet come to that point, but can see myself also getting there at the current direction. I am not sure how large this VN project is supposed to be, how many chapters are planned. If we are near the end, some of this makes since. If just getting started then current direction would dictate just checking in once it is done. But my hope, is that what I saw of Cha 6 felt off due to not getting the full picture in some areas (due to development time constraints) combined with a couple of course realignments in others.

 

[PragmaticCynic]

messed around with teasings so that's just a warmup BJ we're not even sure if it's a full blown BJ or not

In general, is was a deep throat with swallowing balls!
Look where the drool is!
And maybe these photos should have been animated in the final version, but...

 

[AbyssGames]

I agree on this point, there was a definite spike and those looking for the narrative felt things jumped awry. As I commented it felt like a step or set of scenes were missing. I did not feel that we got to any of these destinations with a good flow or rhythm.



I am on record regarding my feelings for the Bruce scenes. For me it is at the core of some of the issues. It pushes Vi's pace and separates her from Erik. It also in turn has to be met by a push in pace for everyone else as she is too central to the overall story. Its is the Bruce arc that makes Eric feel less important and at a loss of his fate. While her scenes with Bruce may be well written, it is a division in the overall story that the current development pace cannot support. In truth if feels that CG would have to go with one story or the other. And as a story, the Bruce interactions have a shelf life with how they would need to develop. Vi and Eric's "talk" and then alley action in chapter 5 provided both sexual charge and emotional connection that could be more deeply explored. The Bruce stuff as a lust train may be easier to write/understand but for me it's impact is only in how it outpaces and separates VI from others. As due to development pacing, when she does something there, it will be 6 months or more until it is "resolved" with the other aspects of her life...if that. And like women who get into nude modeling, then adult modeling, you always have to raise the "perversion". Which leads to Porn with Pictures.



The Anya scene, which I agree felt rush, I see the seeds for her acting this way and we could say that the events of Cha5 pushed her to be more bold, but it felt too much too soon. Especially without a pushing force like Maki or even VI there to egg it on. Flirting, flashing, an attempt at kissing seemed more the path, but that would have never matched what was being pushed elsewhere. But what you said here of Anya giving a BJ to Rob in Ch5 would have felt less rush is my own observations on VI in Cha 6 as well. If she had performed oral on Sai during the Alley scene, it would have made much more sense. For her to pass on that only to do so when with Bruce and away from Eric. Well see the above diatribe on how the photoshoot is hurting everything else. It would have also allowed the Cha 6 scenes to be better processed.



My two cents, I would love for the Dev to get Eric back on course and back involved. Focus on story that has him and VI pushing through all of this together. Avoid having Eric go the route of SOA's Alice. Narrow the world focus back to a circle of friends and families. Between Eric's house, the neighbors, and the "school chums" there is already far too much that needs attention. The segway into what I feel is the domain of SOA is just not needed. But admittedly as these two projects are linked that crossing could be the ultimate goal.



I have not yet come to that point, but can see myself also getting there at the current direction. I am not sure how large this VN project is supposed to be, how many chapters are planned. If we are near the end, some of this makes since. If just getting started then current direction would dictate just checking in once it is done. But my hope, is that what I saw of Cha 6 felt off due to not getting the full picture in some areas (due to development time constraints) combined with a couple of course realignments in others.

Hey,

I just want to come forward and say that SoA's and MNGF's stories are not linked in any way. MNGF shines in it's simplistic approach of exploring the couple's sexual desires in a more grounded setting. SoA is more plot heavy. People will have a preference for one or the other and that's completely fine. I just don't want people to get the impression that MNGF will become like SoA or vice-versa. Initially, we thought having a few cameo's would be a good thing as there's a large fan-base that enjoys both games, however it's become clear that a lot of people think SoA is influencing MNGF to be something else or vice-versa. MNGF will be MNGF and will follow it's own plot and that's the same for SoA.

TL;DR - Both games are seperate, in their own "universe" and have no influence over each other. They will not be going towards the same end goal.

 

[PragmaticCynic]

Hey,

I just want to come forward and say that SoA's and MNGF's stories are not linked in any way. MNGF shines in it's simplistic approach of exploring the couple's sexual desires in a more grounded setting. SoA is more plot heavy. People will have a preference for one or the other and that's completely fine. I just don't want people to get the impression that MNGF will become like SoA or vice-versa. Initially, we thought having a few cameo's would be a good thing as there's a large fan-base that enjoys both games, however it's become clear that a lot of people think SoA is influencing MNGF to be something else or vice-versa. MNGF will be MNGF and will follow it's own plot and that's the same for SoA.

TL;DR - Both games are seperate, in their own "universe" and have no influence over each other. They will not be going towards the same end goal.

A cameo is when Maki appears at the club in SoA, but when the main character Luke appears in MNGF and, as "originally planned", fucks Vi in her mouth, is that no longer a cameo - its Hard Influence!

 

[AbyssGames]

A cameo is when Maki appears at the club in SoA, but when the main character Luke appears in MNGF and, as "originally planned", fucks Vi in her mouth, is that no longer a cameo - its Hard Influence!

Not exactly. It's just a guy. Whether it's Luke or some random no-name model, it doesn't change what that scene is, but Circle is taking the feedback into account, we just have to wait and see what he'll do. At least from what I know, Vi didn't do those things because it's "Luke".

 

[PragmaticCynic]

Not exactly. It's just a guy. Whether it's Luke or some random no-name model, it doesn't change what that scene is, but Circle is taking the feedback into account, we just have to wait and see what he'll do. At least from what I know, Vi didn't do those things because it's "Luke".

I'm not saying that Vi did it because it was Luke, she was willing to do it to Bruce, but the fact that Luke is the key figure in your story already says a lot.

 

[JarrenBlake]

Not exactly. It's just a guy. Whether it's Luke or some random no-name model, it doesn't change what that scene is, but Circle is taking the feedback into account, we just have to wait and see what he'll do. At least from what I know, Vi didn't do those things because it's "Luke".

Thank you Abyss for taking the time to clarify some of those points. Much appreciated.

I agree, the cameos do not really bother me. My issue is the scene itself, whether Luke/Bruce/No-name model. All three represent a separation from the current arc group/cast. If it was someone from the current cast and fit in with the prior interactions then that would make much more sense. Take SOA for example. You go from Alice(w/Milo) and Luke in the club, to the beach soft oral with Liam/Sophie as Luke takes part, then to the cafe with Milo where as stated by Sophie 'She did what Milo really wanted back at the club'. She escalates in each one, with connected characters and interactions each time.

For the photoshoot stuff to work, we have got to get it connected to at least some of the other points/plots in the story. It just feels to disconnected, which may be why some say it is SOA influence (I do not agree) but it is hard to say that it fits well with the other parts even if strongly written on its own.

My enjoyment so far has been Vi and Eric together, plotting this course. They slip up, Eric especially, of course but seemed to be understanding that in Cha5. After the club events where they talk about trying to understand boundaries, limits, and what they want is what is different from SOA. Sure, they are gonna be "pervs" but it seemed as you put it, more grounded there. To go from that conversation in which they still are working to understand what this is but knowing they want more to then hit the alley sexcapades was "chef kiss". As I said, if the BJ occurs there in that alley with Sai, I think most everyone would have 'High fived' it cause friends share. :-D

TLDR: Bruce's photoshop, not SOA, currently feels like the outside VN that gives us cameo appearances into the main plot of MNGF. It has no other connections and it has a heavy influence when it does. Vi is in two different versions of like Law and Order..(What would we call that...Anarchy and Perversion?). Except she does major things on the side show that affects the main show.

 

[AbyssGames]

Thank you Abyss for taking the time to clarify some of those points. Much appreciated.

I agree, the cameos do not really bother me. My issue is the scene itself, whether Luke/Bruce/No-name model. All three represent a separation from the current arc group/cast. If it was someone from the current cast and fit in with the prior interactions then that would make much more sense. Take SOA for example. You go from Alice(w/Milo) and Luke in the club, to the beach soft oral with Liam/Sophie as Luke takes part, then to the cafe with Milo where as stated by Sophie 'She did what Milo really wanted back at the club'. She escalates in each one, with connected characters and interactions each time.

For the photoshoot stuff to work, we have got to get it connected to at least some of the other points/plots in the story. It just feels to disconnected, which may be why some say it is SOA influence (I do not agree) but it is hard to say that it fits well with the other parts even if strongly written on its own.

My enjoyment so far has been Vi and Eric together, plotting this course. They slip up, Eric especially, of course but seemed to be understanding that in Cha5. After the club events where they talk about trying to understand boundaries, limits, and what they want is what is different from SOA. Sure, they are gonna be "pervs" but it seemed as you put it, more grounded there. To go from that conversation in which they still are working to understand what this is but knowing they want more to then hit the alley sexcapades was "chef kiss". As I said, if the BJ occurs there in that alley with Sai, I think most everyone would have 'High fived' it cause friends share. :-D

TLDR: Bruce's photoshop, not SOA, currently feels like the outside VN that gives us cameo appearances into the main plot of MNGF. It has no other connections and it has a heavy influence when it does. Vi is in two different versions of like Law and Order..(What would we call that...Anarchy and Perversion?). Except she does major things on the side show that affects the main show.

I agree with a lot of your points. In SoA, things with Alice escalate, but at a steady pace and with the MC present and egging her on, while in MNGF, a lot of it's charm is Vi who's pushing the boundary. Writing this stuff isn't easy, it's either too slow or too fast and everyone likes a different pace. I thought it would've been better to at least have some more communication between Eric and Vi, for them to really align on what she's doing. However, whenever something is released, it's easy to say afterwards, damn, this should've been done better or differently.

From talking to CG from time to time, he doesn't let anyone influence the way he tells his story, but we're all human and we have doubts whether something was the right choice or not. Sometimes developers make wrong choices and we try to correct them, which is what I believe CG is doing.

 

[ilkit1234]

A cameo is when Maki appears at the club in SoA, but when the main character Luke appears in MNGF and, as "originally planned", fucks Vi in her mouth, is that no longer a cameo - its Hard Influence!

Exactly. To say that the stories aren't linked when the first guy that Vi gets with is from SoA? And to say there isn't influence yet they're speaking for and representing MNGF in a way that clearly shows the devs work together. I mean Vi was shown as one of the ooglefans models in the last SoA chapter, so this was clearly planned and will likely go further.

We aren't dumb, the cameos are about cross promotion to gain more subs, and that's fine. But we shouldn't pretend there's no influence there and that it isn't harming the story.

 

[AbyssGames]

Exactly. To say that the stories aren't linked when the first guy that Vi gets with is from SoA? And to say there isn't influence yet they're speaking for and representing MNGF in a way that clearly shows the devs work together. I mean Vi was shown as one of the ooglefans models in the last SoA chapter, so this was clearly planned and will likely go further.

We aren't dumb, the cameos are about cross promotion to gain more subs, and that's fine. But we shouldn't pretend there's no influence there and that it isn't harming the story.

No, she was not presented as an OogleFans model, just someone that could be "interesting" to look into. But don't worry, you'll get exactly what you wish for!

 

[JarrenBlake]

Exactly. To say that the stories aren't linked when the first guy that Vi gets with is from SoA? And to say there isn't influence yet they're speaking for and representing MNGF in a way that clearly shows the devs work together. I mean Vi was shown as one of the ooglefans models in the last SoA chapter, so this was clearly planned and will likely go further.

We aren't dumb, the cameos are about cross promotion to gain more subs, and that's fine. But we shouldn't pretend there's no influence there and that it isn't harming the story.

I agree that there is of course coordination and cross promotion. But the plots and atmosphere of the two VNs still feel very different to me. I agree with the above statement that if we were to find out that Luke left early and had to be replaced by an unknown male model/porn actor, it would change nothing of how I feel about the sequence of events. It likely would not change anything for most anyone else who either hates or enjoys it. Luke is very much a prop.

My issues center around VI, her placement and her actions, in an seemingly outside environment. Her seeming inability to say 'No' to Bruce even when she is reluctant and is apologizing to Eric in her head beforehand is also a concern, but mainly because the whole area is a spin off show.