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An Ooglefans gangbang with Vi??!

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lol. I will have checked out long before "Vi the Pornstar" becomes a thing but I wish any and all well with it, if that is the direction. It is one that I fear will indeed come to pass, but there is nothing interesting story wise there for me. But I definitely understand that such may have exciting potential for others.
 
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For me, a lot of the appeal of MNGF is that Vi is naughtier, more of an equal to her boyfriend, and is being influenced a bit more by outside forces. In SoA, Alice has to actively try to be naughtier, mostly for Luke. While that puts her at top tier for wholesomeness, sometimes that kind of story can feel like the FMC isnt enjoying it as much as she could and is constantly thinking about pleasing the MC, instead of pleasing herself knowing the MC loves it too. Its hot in its own way, being how devoted Alice is to Luke and how much she likes Luke being in charge.

The impression i got in MNGF is that Vi has more initiative and her own taboo desires, and they happen to be a perfect match for Eric so theyre exploring the pleasure of giving in to those desires. The very first scene of the game is Eric asleep in class, daydreaming of Vi sucking a black man. All their conversations make it clear they enjoy being kept on their toes by each other, because asking permission every time is not one of their boundaries. I like that neither of them come across as controlling or possessive and they care way more about letting each other explore, even if that means only finding out how far it went later, like the first photoshoot. Its fun to have a story with some corruption purely on the physical aspect while they remain romantically loyal.

In short, Alice comes across as having a loyal heart and a submissive sexuality. Vi comes across as having a loyal heart and a slutty sexuality. And I like them both the way they are.
 

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For me, a lot of the appeal of MNGF is that Vi is naughtier, more of an equal to her boyfriend, and is being influenced a bit more by outside forces. In SoA, Alice has to actively try to be naughtier, mostly for Luke. While that puts her at top tier for wholesomeness, sometimes that kind of story can feel like the FMC isnt enjoying it as much as she could and is constantly thinking about pleasing the MC, instead of pleasing herself knowing the MC loves it too. Its hot in its own way, being how devoted Alice is to Luke and how much she likes Luke being in charge.

The impression i got in MNGF is that Vi has more initiative and her own taboo desires, and they happen to be a perfect match for Eric so theyre exploring the pleasure of giving in to those desires. The very first scene of the game is Eric asleep in class, daydreaming of Vi sucking a black man. All their conversations make it clear they enjoy being kept on their toes by each other, because asking permission every time is not one of their boundaries. I like that neither of them come across as controlling or possessive and they care way more about letting each other explore, even if that means only finding out how far it went later, like the first photoshoot. Its fun to have a story with some corruption purely on the physical aspect while they remain romantically loyal.

In short, Alice comes across as having a loyal heart and a submissive sexuality. Vi comes across as having a loyal heart and a slutty sexuality. And I like them both the way they are.
Good write up of a stance that is different from my own. I do also enjoy the VI pushes boundaries, but corruption from outside forces are likely my biggest issues. When it came from like Ari and within the context of interactions with the cast group/arc. I was good. That felt more like influence and VI was still doing what she wanted while staying within the every growing confines of the relationship she wanted as well. I love that she was a Tease and that for me means that you will not always get your wat with her. She would not just be a drop to her knees and blow you no matter what type. For me that makes her interactions with other men feel too routine and the excitement of it will be lost after the first 1-2 instances. The photoshoot for me felt like corruption that pulls her somewhat away from her personality rather than pressing her to explore her desires. As said, I have plenty of solo fem and chad male stories out there. Was and still am hoping this one will be more about a couple doing it together (Does not always mean they will be in the same room/area). But they would be for those big first moments at least and plot the course forward. I also want them both to find ways to please other than standard "I banged another dude, Eric" and "I will pound you even harder than last time VI...and last time was Power level 5000!" Then Rob goes "5000!"
 

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[...] In SoA, things with Alice escalate, but at a steady pace and with the MC present and egging her on, while in MNGF, a lot of it's charm is Vi who's pushing the boundary.[...] I thought it would've been better to at least have some more communication between Eric and Vi, for them to really align on what she's doing.
That's exactly what we don't want in this story, your game is already the "CHAD MC HAREM MASTER" type of swinging, here we want netorase and a more balanced control in the Vi x Mc dynamics. She can also push boundaries and be a pivot of her own evolution, just as the story so far builded upon. If it changes into that, MNGF will lose it's most unique and best feature.

We want a netorase game and not a swinging game (in which 90% of the time is just the male protagonist being 'lucky') turning into harem. Your game already fulfills what you think would've been better, we don't need MNGF to become just another copy of that already saturated style around f95.

Chapter 5 was the peak so far, sadly the DLCs mixed the feelings around here with it's bad time management regarding the releases.
 
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That's exactly what we don't want in this story, your game is already the "CHAD MC HAREM MASTER" type of swinging, here we want netorase and a more balanced control in the Vi x Mc dynamics. She can also push boundaries and be a pivot of her own evolution, just as the story so far builded upon. If it changes into that, MNGF will lose it's most unique and best feature.

We want a netorase game and not a swinging game (in which 90% of the time is just the male protagonist being 'lucky') turning into harem. Your game already fulfills what you think would've been better, we don't need MNGF to become just another copy of that already saturated style around f95.

Chapter 5 was the peak so far, sadly the DLCs mixed the feelings around here with it's bad time management regarding the releases.
The definition of the above is the issue. I do not and many here have very actively stated that they do not want certain events. If you do, that is fine, but your nor speaking for everyone. Some do indeed agree with you, but many do not hence the back and forth here. I agree Cha 5 was good, Cha 6 was not so much. Making events connect does not mean that VI loses agency or that Eric goes Chad mode. I in truth would enjoy a swinging game, not saying that is what this is, but it does not mean Harem. Vi with Sai in the alley would be swinging. But that may be too confining. However I do want the game focused on the couple and that does mean that neither Eric or VI flies scattershot all other the place. Once again, my thoughts, I do not speak for others.
 

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The definition of the above is the issue. I do not and many here have very actively stated that they do not want certain events. If you do, that is fine, but your nor speaking for everyone. Some do indeed agree with you, but many do not hence the back and forth here. I agree Cha 5 was good, Cha 6 was not so much. Making events connect does not mean that VI loses agency or that Eric goes Chad mode. I in truth would enjoy a swinging game, not saying that is what this is, but it does not mean Harem. Vi with Sai in the alley would be swinging. But that may be too confining. However I do want the game focused on the couple and that does mean that neither Eric or VI flies scattershot all other the place. Once again, my thoughts, I do not speak for others.
Ah dude, I totally agree with you. The connection between events would make it much better and I prefer the focus being on Vi and MC too, maybe I wrote my comment in a misunderstooding way. So my apologies.

And when I wrote "we" in a kind of superb way it isn't my ego talking loud as if I know what's best, but simply coming from the information available in this forum, that being: my review on chapter 6 is one, if not the most, liked post on this thread, at least recently I can assure it's the top #1. So most people seem to agree with my opinions on why the chapter was weaker than the previous and many of those opinions fall on the category that it felt too much like how SoA treats the swinging aspect of their game (that is mostly being a harem game, since the MC has much more action than the FMC). And so I replied to Abyss criticizing his view, we don't need 2 of the same games.

If you haven't, you can check the comment I'm referencing here:
Regarding Ch6:

Storywise it's a complete downgrade from Ch5 (not even taking into account those bland DLCs).

For me MNGF was the better product out of the "cinematic universe" a couple devs around F95 created (you know whoses), that kept the NTS a major genre of the game while the Harem parts were not as overwhelming.
This update favored more the harem aspect of the game than ever and I hate this. I'm here for the NTS, for Vi and for good group scenes.

We got a Vi scene unfinished and used as a cliffhanger for next chapter (that who knows how long it'll take to make and I hope the Vi scene will not be finished in other 2 incoming DLCs) and for what? For a date with Anya? You gotta be kidding me.

Anya is my least favorite character out of the main ones and I still don't get how there's a somewhat relevant number of people who keeps wishing to see her more. She had the most presence this update and what for? Nothing.
The whole changing room scene was just a worst repetition of the same Vi scene from a previous chapter, but with no NTS envolved to keep it exciting, temptatious and interesting. Not even good outfits. And the last scene? Also cut because "public place oh nooo".

The whole date shouldn't even have existed, we could've traded it with a complete and finished Vi 2nd photoshoot arc.

The only small exciting thing about Anya scene was the MC's dick on her face, which could've happened at the beginning of the day when she entered the MC's room and saw him jerking off, could've made that interaction happen in his room and the scene could still be cut the way it did but with a better excuse like "Oh no mom is coming to ask us about lunch" or something.

Aria scene could've been better too, I think it was a bit too much that MC ended up fucking both her holes just 1 day after she shared a blowjob with Vi. Instead, Aria could've been teasing the MC with more pics of Vi, while playing with his thing until Vi arrived and the chapter could end with a big and great scene with all 3 of them, again leaning on discovering what shenanigans Vi was doing "behind his back", 'cause that's what is exciting in this game >the NTS<.

Don't wanna end without commenting on what I liked tho so I'll mention it really fast here but I did gave a special attention to the criticism because that's more constructive use of text.
But well, I really liked the online Vi pics MC searched, even tho they're not new images, but the implications of that scene could go for very good uses in the future. And the Vi 2nd photoshoot was amazing so far, really liked her whole personality and the characters talking there, it was a really good job (and I'm only mentioning text here!). Also the oufits for Vi in this update are on ANOTHER LEVEL, the photographer does know how to pick stuff for Vi to use lol.

Overall: 6/10 not worth all the wait. The quality of the images is great but their use in the story is lacking. I wish this goes back on track soon since the cousin SOA is full on going for the harem shit.
 

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Ah dude, I totally agree with you. The connection between events would make it much better and I prefer the focus being on Vi and MC too, maybe I wrote my comment in a misunderstooding way. So my apologies.

And when I wrote "we" in a kind of superb way it isn't my ego talking loud as if I know what's best, but simply coming from the information available in this forum, that being: my review on chapter 6 is one, if not the most, liked post on this thread, at least recently I can assure it's the top #1. So most people seem to agree with my opinions on why the chapter was weaker than the previous and many of those opinions fall on the category that it felt too much like how SoA treats the swinging aspect of their game (that is mostly being a harem game, since the MC has much more action than the FMC). And so I replied to Abyss criticizing his view, we don't need 2 of the same games.

If you haven't, you can check the comment I'm referencing here:
Hey man, you can criticize my view all you want, that's what I wanted to clear up. I saw a lot of people saying that this game is becoming like SoA or is taking inspiration from SoA or that I'm influencing CG, I just wanted to clear that up.
This is not the case at all.
Maybe I'm just a shit game dev, but by no means am I influencing CG's story or what he wants to tell. Maybe the cameo's were in bad taste and they will be removed from both games? I don't know, but I'm sorry if you thought that my shit game was influencing this one, it isn't and never will.
 
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Hey man, you can criticize my view all you want, that's what I wanted to clear up. I saw a lot of people saying that this game is becoming like SoA or is taking inspiration from SoA or that I'm influencing CG, I just wanted to clear that up.
This is not the case at all.
Maybe I'm just a shit game dev, but by no means am I influencing CG's story or what he wants to tell. Maybe the cameo's were in bad taste and they will be removed from both games? I don't know, but I'm sorry if you thought that my shit game was influencing this one, it isn't and never will.
Take criticism with a grain of salt - you can't make everyone happy and the most vocal people tend to be the extremists.

My criticism is I wanted MNGF to move slower (like many critics here), but it is Circle's game to decide. I still consider both games to be top tier and like the cross-overs.
 
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Seriously. It's really restrictive and creates a rigid story structure and then there are endless arguments in the threads over semantics. I swear everyone arguing about this are on the spectrum.

I hope most devs ignore it all and just write the stories the way they want to. Without restrictions.
Yeah and at the end of the day if the people don't like it they don't like it. If they do, then they do. And at the end of the day there's nothing wrong with not liking the product.
Take criticism with a grain of salt - you can't make everyone happy and the most vocal people tend to be the extremists.

My criticism is I wanted MNGF to move slower (like many critics here), but it is Circle's game to decide. I still consider both games to be top tier and like the cross-overs.
I actually felt the opposite as the game felt like (atleast for chapters 1-4 it was moving TOO slow.) And enjoyed the pace of chapter 5-6 more. But like you said dev can't please everyone. I just hope the dev just makes his game. Because if he tries to please everyone there's a chance we may end up with a product that everyone hates.
 

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Hey man, you can criticize my view all you want, that's what I wanted to clear up. I saw a lot of people saying that this game is becoming like SoA or is taking inspiration from SoA or that I'm influencing CG, I just wanted to clear that up.
This is not the case at all.
Maybe I'm just a shit game dev, but by no means am I influencing CG's story or what he wants to tell. Maybe the cameo's were in bad taste and they will be removed from both games? I don't know, but I'm sorry if you thought that my shit game was influencing this one, it isn't and never will.
I'm sure there's no influence on your part, but the last chapter leaned too much on harem just like your game does and I dislike that aspect of your game (even tho I play it for the other parts) and I think CG has a better time when they avoid this. That's why I wrote my opinion that day and I got surprised to see most people agreeing with me.

I didn't say you're corrupting this dev or whatever, chill.

EDIT: and as far as I remember, people complaining about Luke also didn't say that, they just disliked to see Luke there because they don't like NTS or because they think the game could've used another character already from this game and not from yours, thus connecting the plot better.
 
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I'm sure there's no influence on your part, but the last chapter leaned too much on harem just like your game does and I dislike that aspect of your game (even tho I play it for the other parts) and I think CG has a better time when they avoid this. That's why I wrote my opinion that day and I got surprised to see most people agreeing with me.

I didn't say you're corrupting this dev or whatever, chill.

EDIT: and as far as I remember, people complaining about Luke also didn't say that, they just disliked to see Luke there because they don't like NTS or because they think the game could've used another character already from this game and not from yours, thus connecting the plot better.
Just because the MC fools around with his step-siblings or with Ari, doesn't mean it's harem. I get that you wanted an MC who just sits there in his chair, happy about what his girl does while he can take sloppy seconds with her, but I don't think that's what CG wants this game to be about.
 

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Just because the MC fools around with his step-siblings or with Ari, doesn't mean it's harem. I get that you wanted an MC who just sits there in his chair, happy about what his girl does while he can take sloppy seconds with her, but I don't think that's what CG wants this game to be about.
You never take your chance to just be quiet when receiving an opinion different from agreement my gosh, insuferabble.

Yeah sure that's what I want omggg you read me like an open booooook!! (s)
 
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You never take your chance to just be quiet when receiving an opinion different from agreement my gosh, insuferabble.

Yeah sure that's what I want omggg you read me like an open booooook!! (s)
What's wrong with having a discussion about the game? I guess we like different things, which is okay. No need to get upset, friend.
 

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I agree that there is of course coordination and cross promotion. But the plots and atmosphere of the two VNs still feel very different to me. I agree with the above statement that if we were to find out that Luke left early and had to be replaced by an unknown male model/porn actor, it would change nothing of how I feel about the sequence of events. It likely would not change anything for most anyone else who either hates or enjoys it. Luke is very much a prop.

My issues center around VI, her placement and her actions, in an seemingly outside environment. Her seeming inability to say 'No' to Bruce even when she is reluctant and is apologizing to Eric in her head beforehand is also a concern, but mainly because the whole area is a spin off show.
I agree with you. The point I've been trying to make is that I don't think we would have seen Vi in that outside environment if it weren't for involving Luke. As in the objective was to make a scene that features Luke and everything was geared towards that, meaning the only logical way for it to happen is for Vi to go out of character in that scene.
 

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Just because the MC fools around with his step-siblings or with Ari, doesn't mean it's harem. I get that you wanted an MC who just sits there in his chair, happy about what his girl does while he can take sloppy seconds with her, but I don't think that's what CG wants this game to be about.
I find it very telling that you and others from your team are always in this thread talking down to MNGF supporters for voicing their opinions, yet CG never comments on your thread.

Like cool it, man. People have a right to have their own opinions on these games. You're getting awfully defensive about something you claim to have no involvement in... while trying to tell us what this game is and isn't...
 

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I find it very telling that you and others from your team are always in this thread talking down to MNGF supporters for voicing their opinions, yet CG never comments on your thread.

Like cool it, man. People have a right to have their own opinions on these games. You're getting awfully defensive about something you claim to have no involvement in... while trying to tell us what this game is and isn't...
I'm not talking anyone down? I'm just trying to understand what people want. I'm doing exactly what you're doing, voicing my opinion on the game as someone who enjoys MNGF.
 

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Haha...I would ask for peace in these lands.

I am in truth enjoying the conversation and am not upset that others have different tastes and views. As said up above and others have stated, if I start to dislike the VN I will just stop playing and contributing for now.


I agree with you. The point I've been trying to make is that I don't think we would have seen Vi in that outside environment if it weren't for involving Luke. As in the objective was to make a scene that features Luke and everything was geared towards that, meaning the only logical way for it to happen is for Vi to go out of character in that scene.
I feel you. This could be the case, I admit it is hard for me to put my finger on the Bruce side. My own thoughts tend that it would have all still played out the same way even if the SOA collab/cross promotion does not happen. The photoshop feels like it is serving as a vehicle for VI to have agency and a "life" outside of Eric. Eric has his house and family. What does VI have? And given the first scene was a fashion show, I just feel such was the intent from the start.

However Eric's family will obviously and have already been shared with VI. She is apart of that now as are other characters. The studio is a currently self contained space firing fricken lasers out at everything else. My issues are the amount of time devoted to it, given the new Development crunch. The level of impact it has for an "outside" area and how its events (and Bruce's already high level of influence) have served to cut the male protag down and out of it. To name a few touch points.
 
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