I am here because it specifically says it is an NTS game, "Vi will follow a NTS route (sharing, swing, exhibitionism)". I supported it because it WAS an NTS game. The key feature of netorase is permission. Eric thinking it is not giving it. He is angry about the photoshoot. He says so in the sex scene with Ari.
That whole scene is questionable for netorase. Cuckolding is not netorase and yes, it deserves its own tag). Cuckolding means the wife is unfaithful in a monogamous relationship. Sharing involves permission in a non-monogamous relationship, so it is not cuckolding.
I am willing to accept the story however it plays out. At the same time, I can hope it will go a certain way, based on the things the dev has told us. But calling it one thing while it is certainly another is not right. The dev can put whatever he wants in the story, define it however he wants. But whatever exists in the story gets placed in the tags. This site, and nearly every one like it, uses tags that are defined by the site, not by the author.
Here is what we know. There is no swinging in the current story. Netorase is what the summary claims to be the point of the story, but still has to be proven, as does harem. And Harem only applies if the core dynamic of the harem is not disturbed, say by one of the harem members doing whatever she wants. What is taking place so far is an open-relationship where they both do whatever they want. So, a harem and open-relationships can coexist. But netorare cannot exist with a harem or open-relationships. Netorare is a possibility if we take chapter six as-is and it continues. Cuckolding is a tricky one as it is not a tag but falls under netorare again—NOT netorase.
Missing/Incorrect Tags
Voyeurism
Open-relationships
Corruption
Netorare
Swinging is incorrect
The bigger question is why are you guys upset that some of are posting our desires for the game that differs from your desires? You're trying really hard to convince everyone that this is a netorare story and to let go of the NTS aspects of the game. In that case, the tag should absolutely be there. The summary SAYS it is an NTS/NTR world. But who will that include when it clearly stated Vi would be on the sharing, swinging, exhibitionism path. Why does it bother you? Let people post their theories, their bitches and gripes, and what they love about this game.
NTS is still under the ntr umbrella which technically contains all 3 aspects of ntr,nts, and nti. harem would be technically under nts as they are all sharing the MC. i guess more like reverse nts.
the fact that even though it was without permission she hid nothing. shadows of ambition had the girl send the gym girl to you to fool around with and mc fooled around with her without knowing GF had approved it. the core of nts is honesty and she didnt lie, not saying she shouldnt have asked permission. in that regard it cant be full ntr since that requires lies and hiding. yes he was feeling a little anger but also those other things. and he didnt say what kind of anger (comes in many forms). next update should square it all up since they should see each other for a chat. if they never talk about it in the next update i'll raise a pitchfork myself.
but honestly maki jerked mc off at the beach and never told her about it, nobody wants to talk about that though. and will he tell Vi about anya touching him and having his dick on her face?
also i never said anything here was bothering me. not at all.
I am here because it specifically says it is an NTS game, "Vi will follow a NTS route (sharing, swing, exhibitionism)". I supported it because it WAS an NTS game. The key feature of netorase is permission. Eric thinking it is not giving it. He is angry about the photoshoot. He says so in the sex scene with Ari.
That whole scene is questionable for netorase. Cuckolding is not netorase and yes, it deserves its own tag). Cuckolding means the wife is unfaithful in a monogamous relationship. Sharing involves permission in a non-monogamous relationship, so it is not cuckolding.
I am willing to accept the story however it plays out. At the same time, I can hope it will go a certain way, based on the things the dev has told us. But calling it one thing while it is certainly another is not right. The dev can put whatever he wants in the story, define it however he wants. But whatever exists in the story gets placed in the tags. This site, and nearly every one like it, uses tags that are defined by the site, not by the author.
Here is what we know. There is no swinging in the current story. Netorase is what the summary claims to be the point of the story, but still has to be proven, as does harem. And Harem only applies if the core dynamic of the harem is not disturbed, say by one of the harem members doing whatever she wants. What is taking place so far is an open-relationship where they both do whatever they want. So, a harem and open-relationships can coexist. But netorare cannot exist with a harem or open-relationships. Netorare is a possibility if we take chapter six as-is and it continues. Cuckolding is a tricky one as it is not a tag but falls under netorare again—NOT netorase.
Missing/Incorrect Tags
Voyeurism
Open-relationships
Corruption
Netorare
Swinging is incorrect
The bigger question is why are you guys upset that some of are posting our desires for the game that differs from your desires? You're trying really hard to convince everyone that this is a netorare story and to let go of the NTS aspects of the game. In that case, the tag should absolutely be there. The summary SAYS it is an NTS/NTR world. But who will that include when it clearly stated Vi would be on the sharing, swinging, exhibitionism path. Why does it bother you? Let people post their theories, their bitches and gripes, and what they love about this game.
You guys really hang on those two comments dev made, yet absolutely ignore all the other comments he's made lol
So how about you go back to before that scene where Erik is coming to terms with how Vi getting attention from other men excites him and after that where he talks about punishing Vi. You sure do like to cherrypick dialogue alot. It's clear how their relationship is developing is really becoming a problem for you or perhaps you secretly like it and that's what's really bothering you.
I'm not try to impose NTR on the game. I'm just simply pointing out that what the devs says and does conflict with each other.
It's clear we all think Vi's interactions during the photoshoots contradict a pure NTS path and borders on NTR. I personally don't have a problem with that and find it exciting.
I could care less how it goes, but dev contradicts himself alot.
Perhaps after reading the game's description, tags, and the developer's comments, people have already formed an opinion about the game's direction. They just didn't know that the developer might have his own unique understanding of NTS.
And maybe the developer is right. By his logic, this game truly can be called an NTS game. After all, no matter what happens, it can all be easily explained away with the simple phrase: "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi sleeps with Eric's rival? No problem, because "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi becomes a porn star? Don't worry, "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi gets pregnant by a stranger? No need to fret, because "It's fine, Eric likes it."
You could continue this list endlessly... In any case, I don't want to engage with that kind of logic.
So, if anything in the game bothers you, just remember the universal solution: "It's fine, Eric likes it."
And I'd like to ask, why do some people call Eric an "Alpha cuck"? I'm certainly no expert on Alpha/Beta dynamics, to be honest, I've never even used these terms myself. If I understand correctly, an "Alpha" is someone distinguished by their dominant behavior and character. I wouldn't say Eric stands out with such qualities.
After all, all the first steps towards him were made by the girls themselves, not by him. Vi, on the other hand, is the one actively making the first moves with other guys. One could say that all decisions about who Eric will sleep with are made exclusively by the women.
While Vi is off having fun with other men, Eric has to patiently wait until someone from the female cast tries to pull his pants down again.
To be honest, even if this game had been in development for 10 years, we must admit that the plot is still in its early stages. Therefore, we shouldn't rush to conclusions. Character development and evolution are what we'll have to continue observing.
Perhaps after reading the game's description, tags, and the developer's comments, people have already formed an opinion about the game's direction. They just didn't know that the developer might have his own unique understanding of NTS.
And maybe the developer is right. By his logic, this game truly can be called an NTS game. After all, no matter what happens, it can all be easily explained away with the simple phrase: "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi sleeps with Eric's rival? No problem, because "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi becomes a porn star? Don't worry, "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi gets pregnant by a stranger? No need to fret, because "It's fine, Eric likes it."
You could continue this list endlessly... In any case, I don't want to engage with that kind of logic.
So, if anything in the game bothers you, just remember the universal solution: "It's fine, Eric likes it."
And I'd like to ask, why do some people call Eric an "Alpha cuck"? I'm certainly no expert on Alpha/Beta dynamics, to be honest, I've never even used these terms myself. If I understand correctly, an "Alpha" is someone distinguished by their dominant behavior and character. I wouldn't say Eric stands out with such qualities.
After all, all the first steps towards him were made by the girls themselves, not by him. Vi, on the other hand, is the one actively making the first moves with other guys. One could say that all decisions about who Eric will sleep with are made exclusively by the women.
While Vi is off having fun with other men, Eric has to patiently wait until someone from the female cast tries to pull his pants down again.
To be honest, even if this game had been in development for 10 years, we must admit that the plot is still in its early stages. Therefore, we shouldn't rush to conclusions. Character development and evolution are what we'll have to continue observing.
alpha cuck can mean dominant in the bedroom if not in normal day to day life, which he does get. when we say alpha/beta or active/passive cuck, we mean the betas and passive never have any real sex and often get humiliated (no backbone/small dick/bad performance). the alphas have an active role constantly reclaiming their girls after they been with another man. they have no performance issues and usually have a decent or big dk. i think i explained that well enough
somewhere there will be some limits to "eric likes it" but your point is valid. not the first instance of plot armor though haha he is def gonna be smashing Ari going forward. in some ways i think he did break her just a little bit on the roughness.
You guys really hang on those two comments dev made, yet absolutely ignore all the other comments he's made lol
So how about you go back to before that scene where Erik is coming to terms with how Vi getting attention from other men excites him and after that where he talks about punishing Vi. You sure do like to cherrypick dialogue alot. It's clear how their relationship is developing is really becoming a problem for you or perhaps you secretly like it and that's what's really bothering you.
I'm not try to impose NTR on the game. I'm just simply pointing out that what the devs says and does conflict with each other.
It's clear we all think Vi's interactions during the photoshoots contradict a pure NTS path and borders on NTR. I personally don't have a problem with that and find it exciting.
I could care less how it goes, but dev contradicts himself alot.
Just to clarify, he has made other comments about it on the discord in the past and quite recently. What is true is that CG plays somewhat fast and loose with genres, but it still remains true that the relationship between Eric and Vi will never be true NTR, even if it rides the line at times. Some people want very specific permissions, but Eric and Vi both prefer some level of spontaneity, surprise. To some this will feel like NTR certainly, but it's also been talked about between the two of them at this point on a couple occasions. And how do you have spontaneity or surprise if very specific permissions are given?
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with your take. In fact, that is what we are all saying. The heartache is that the dev calls it sharing, NTS, and a harem. Nobody would have an argument to stand on if the tag simply had NTR in it and the dev said that was the case. The rub is calling it one thing while making it all about another thing. That seems to be the complaint I see the most. Simple fix. Call it NTR.
But it isn't netorare! It is most certainly not classic NTR and not classic western cuckoldry and not even more modern variants of the tropes seen in like Dogfart videos. It's much closer to the whole hotwifing stuff popularised in the last 10 years or so.
Not sure what classic hentai nts stories are like, but according to the defs of F95, which have simplified the concepts into skeletal abstractions for tagging purposes, this is netorase. Y'all seem bogged down by the story having something that contradicts the definition of NTS even though it's not in the def. "Approval" doesn't entail fully matured fetishization and commitment to a lifestyle. It also doens't mean there's a clear green light on each occasion there's a sexual encounter.
Forget about tags for a sec... What I meant is that it started like it's going to be a narrative that plays on shock, jealousy and seduction but then it's full of reassuring ego stroking that can be a bit much sometimes and is clearly overstated for the sake of players, or rather would be commenters, who are torrettistically prone to yelling ENTEEARE.
This a story where sharing and deviance is something instigated by the gf. It naturally threatens bf's image of her, the innocence of puppy love and the privacy and exclusivity of their intimacy. The guy gets seduced into it, discovering he is also a slutty voyeristic perv with sadistic tendencies. This developing netorase relationship coincides apparently with everyone else turning out to be a pervert.
alpha cuck can mean dominant in the bedroom if not in normal day to day life, which he does get. when we say alpha/beta or active/passive cuck, we mean the betas and passive never have any real sex and often get humiliated (no backbone/small dick/bad performance). the alphas have an active role constantly reclaiming their girls after they been with another man. they have no performance issues and usually have a decent or big dk. i think i explained that well enough
I like this! Covers a lot of the possible variation without the weird new terms like hotwifing and ones which originally might imply further details like the hentai stuff. Thanks.
F95's NTR sure... Classic NTR would be she's taken by or prefers the other dick, right? THis is based on the gender asymmetry built into the terms. Otherwise, that be just cheating.
But it isn't netorare! It is most certainly not classic NTR and not classic western cuckoldry and not even more modern variants of the tropes seen in like Dogfart videos. It's much closer to the whole hotwifing stuff popularised in the last 10 years or so.
Not sure what classic hentai nts stories are like, but according to the defs of F95, which have simplified the concepts into skeletal abstractions for tagging purposes, this is netorase. Y'all seem bogged down by the story having something that contradicts the definition of NTS even though it's not in the def. "Approval" doesn't entail fully matured fetishization and commitment to a lifestyle. It also doens't mean there's a clear green light on each occasion there's a sexual encounter.
Forget about tags for a sec... What I meant is that it started like it's going to be a narrative that plays on shock, jealousy and seduction but then it's full of reassuring ego stroking that can be a bit much sometimes and is clearly overstated for the sake of players, or rather would be commenters, who are torrettistically prone to yelling ENTEEARE.
This a story where sharing and deviance is something instigated by the gf. It naturally threatens bf's image of her, the innocence of puppy love and the privacy and exclusivity of their intimacy. The guy gets seduced into it, discovering he is also a slutty voyeristic perv with sadistic tendencies. This developing netorase relationship coincides apparently with everyone else turning out to be a pervert.
I like this! Covers a lot of the possible variation without the weird new terms like hotwifing and ones which originally might imply further details like the hentai stuff. Thanks.
F95's NTR sure... Classic NTR would be she's taken by or prefers the other dick, right? THis is based on the gender asymmetry built into the terms. Otherwise, that be just cheating.
not sure what to talk about here , i mean sure it a dangerous play but still it a safe environment (good for harem).
Tho , idk what specific tags game should have but surely NTR not one of them , for example as Nurikabe mention : e"I mean...maybe...but not..."
e"Not...not this quickly!"
"This is..."
"...shit..."
"What am I feeling?"
"Love...excitement...anger...fear..."
doubts , fear of losing her (sure he get excited sharing her but not like this) , which is Definitely fall Under NTR not in the form of Open relationship , so to kill that doubts and the over thinking HE must be present to any more daring steps she make (he also need to tell her but i think it ...different ? i mean he isn't the one pushing , instead , the girls who try to seduce him).
i saw this somewhere : " as long as Erik enjoys it " , that conversation above destroy this logic
either way i feel like i'm glad i didn't play ch6 ? i'll just wait coz right now it looks confusing (i hope Dev himself is not much confuse as us lol and continue what he planed for his game and maybe surprise us at the end or broke our hearts , my sweet Anya ).
NTS is still under the ntr umbrella which technically contains all 3 aspects of ntr,nts, and nti. harem would be technically under nts as they are all sharing the MC. i guess more like reverse nts.
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You guys really hang on those two comments dev made, yet absolutely ignore all the other comments he's made lol
So how about you go back to before that scene where Erik is coming to terms with how Vi getting attention from other men excites him and after that where he talks about punishing Vi. You sure do like to cherrypick dialogue alot. It's clear how their relationship is developing is really becoming a problem for you or perhaps you secretly like it and that's what's really bothering you.
I'm not try to impose NTR on the game. I'm just simply pointing out that what the devs says and does conflict with each other.
It's clear we all think Vi's interactions during the photoshoots contradict a pure NTS path and borders on NTR. I personally don't have a problem with that and find it exciting.
I could care less how it goes, but dev contradicts himself alot.
Perhaps after reading the game's description, tags, and the developer's comments, people have already formed an opinion about the game's direction. They just didn't know that the developer might have his own unique understanding of NTS.
And maybe the developer is right. By his logic, this game truly can be called an NTS game. After all, no matter what happens, it can all be easily explained away with the simple phrase: "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi sleeps with Eric's rival? No problem, because "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi becomes a porn star? Don't worry, "It's fine, Eric likes it."
Vi gets pregnant by a stranger? No need to fret, because "It's fine, Eric likes it."
You could continue this list endlessly... In any case, I don't want to engage with that kind of logic.
So, if anything in the game bothers you, just remember the universal solution: "It's fine, Eric likes it."
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To be honest, even if this game had been in development for 10 years, we must admit that the plot is still in its early stages. Therefore, we shouldn't rush to conclusions. Character development and evolution are what we'll have to continue observing.
For better or worse, the terms used on this site are Netorare, Netorase, Cheating, and Open-Relationships. It completely skips cuckold, swinging, and 31 flavors of whatever you want to call anything else because everyone wants to feel unique. It does simplify the terms for categorization and tagging. It does not always benefit the visual novels they represent. Those discussions are still being held and you can influence the outcome. For the record, NTS is netorase—sharing or hotwifing with full consent. It is not part of netorare, NTR, and stands in direct opposition to it. While Japanese netorare nearly always has the woman being stolen by the bigger cock or better lover, those themes are not always present in Western representation of NTR. But non-consent is a critical aspect of that genre. Consent, or lack thereof, is the problem in our current story.
These are all good discussions. Welcoming different viewpoints, debating what dialogue means, even the discussion about what happens in other forums (like Discord or Patreon) and how it relates to the story. I think most of us in this debate have come to the same conclusion that the dev often contradicts himself. The story has many thematic contradictions that cause problems for the readers. It isn't simply an issue of definitions and what we like/dislike in our personal kinks.
It is fantastic to see a story that doesn't stick to labels and definitions, as life just isn't that simple either. The dev has said many things on many different boards that tend to contradict other statements. The story itself has had thematic problems that contradict themselves, not for the benefit of ignoring labels or representing the crazy and unpredictable nature of lifestyle living. These are issues that the dev needs to resolve and could very well already have it worked out in parts of the story that we haven't seen yet. Our confusion could just be a product of the way we get to see these early release games and how they can change dramatically as development progresses.
Some of the big issues for me are certainly the way Vi and Ari act. Eric himself has a lot of problematic behavior for me, that is not being ignored! I am anxiously awaiting the chapter 7 release to see if all of these issues get resolved beyond "Eric likes it." That will not be sufficient for me. I already pulled Patreon support because I believe the story is going in a direction I just do not want to contribute to. I'm not interested in pornstar Vi. Like Turbokinetics, my pitchfork is at the ready; I need to see a satisfactory resolution of Vi doing whatever she wants and feeling unleashed, and Anya's story is critical for me. Perhaps all these things will work out and I can happily return to supporting the dev on Patreon. Time will tell.
Thank you for engaging in the discussion, even if it gets frustrating.
Just to clarify, he has made other comments about it on the discord in the past and quite recently. What is true is that CG plays somewhat fast and loose with genres, but it still remains true that the relationship between Eric and Vi will never be true NTR, even if it rides the line at times. Some people want very specific permissions, but Eric and Vi both prefer some level of spontaneity, surprise. To some this will feel like NTR certainly, but it's also been talked about between the two of them at this point on a couple occasions. And how do you have spontaneity or surprise if very specific permissions are given?
Yup and this exactly my point. CG's does play fast and lose with definitions. Again of which I don't care about and think it adds to the mystery, excitement and eroticism of the game. People are getting. Some people are getting all OCD over the definitions and again they're Japanese definitions being forced on western games. I feel like such rigidity stifles a devs ability to be creative in their own way.
Yup and this exactly my point. CG's does play fast and lose with definitions. Again of which I don't care about and think it adds to the mystery, excitement and eroticism of the game. People are getting. Some people are getting all OCD over the definitions and again they're Japanese definitions being forced on western games. I feel like such rigidity stifles a devs ability to be creative in their own way.
I don't think most people are using the Japanese ideas here. Consent is critical to the western ideas of lifestyle living. Take away consent and you are in cuckold land. "Eric likes it," puts it in 31 flavors of Alpha Cuckold, but it is still cuckold. "I don't have a leash," takes Eric out of the picture. Even in couples I know, this makes no sense to me. At that point, you may as well not even be in a relationship. Completely open-relationships aren't real. And it just makes for sloppy stories in visual novels. It is not good enough in this story.
I think a lot of people are waiting for the next chapter to see how Eric and Vi handle her "no leash" policy. Patreon supporters are on edge. It is a huge discussion everywhere else too. I totally understand that some people are just here for "material." And others are happy with it as-is and are just along for the ride. But that doesn't work for me. I need a compelling story to be happy with the ride enough to use it for "material." If you catch my drift.
I think there is a happy medium that most stories live in. You can have broad categorical definitions without stifling creativity. Based off of past performance, I can easily say that if chapter six issues are not dealt with well, his supporters will have problems just as they did with such a simple issue of Vi in the club and removing the BJ scene from the Gold version with the photographer. I am with those supporters.
It is the dev's story though. He can go against all those wishes if he wants to stick to his "fast and loose" definitions. I just don't think he will want to lose all the support. I truly believe there is support for it either way though. Losing the current group of supporters could gain more support in the end. But based off how F95 folks feel about NTR and the problems that arise when you "don't stick to definitions," I don't think that will be as successful in the end.
This is totally my opinion and I am hoping I am wrong on most of it.
For better or worse, the terms used on this site are Netorare, Netorase, Cheating, and Open-Relationships. It completely skips cuckold, swinging, and 31 flavors of whatever you want to call anything else because everyone wants to feel unique. It does simplify the terms for categorization and tagging. It does not always benefit the visual novels they represent. Those discussions are still being held and you can influence the outcome. For the record, NTS is netorase—sharing or hotwifing with full consent. It is not part of netorare, NTR, and stands in direct opposition to it. While Japanese netorare nearly always has the woman being stolen by the bigger cock or better lover, those themes are not always present in Western representation of NTR. But non-consent is a critical aspect of that genre. Consent, or lack thereof, is the problem in our current story.
These are all good discussions. Welcoming different viewpoints, debating what dialogue means, even the discussion about what happens in other forums (like Discord or Patreon) and how it relates to the story. I think most of us in this debate have come to the same conclusion that the dev often contradicts himself. The story has many thematic contradictions that cause problems for the readers. It isn't simply an issue of definitions and what we like/dislike in our personal kinks.
It is fantastic to see a story that doesn't stick to labels and definitions, as life just isn't that simple either. The dev has said many things on many different boards that tend to contradict other statements. The story itself has had thematic problems that contradict themselves, not for the benefit of ignoring labels or representing the crazy and unpredictable nature of lifestyle living. These are issues that the dev needs to resolve and could very well already have it worked out in parts of the story that we haven't seen yet. Our confusion could just be a product of the way we get to see these early release games and how they can change dramatically as development progresses.
Some of the big issues for me are certainly the way Vi and Ari act. Eric himself has a lot of problematic behavior for me, that is not being ignored! I am anxiously awaiting the chapter 7 release to see if all of these issues get resolved beyond "Eric likes it." That will not be sufficient for me. I already pulled Patreon support because I believe the story is going in a direction I just do not want to contribute to. I'm not interested in pornstar Vi. Like Turbokinetics, my pitchfork is at the ready; I need to see a satisfactory resolution of Vi doing whatever she wants and feeling unleashed, and Anya's story is critical for me. Perhaps all these things will work out and I can happily return to supporting the dev on Patreon. Time will tell.
Thank you for engaging in the discussion, even if it gets frustrating.
But see some of us understand the definitions, but simply see them as guidelines, nor rigidly hold the devs to them. We see a story with some twists and turns and are anxious to see where it goes next regardless of what kink it fulfills.
These games were alot more fun and creative before everyone started flipping out over tags.
While you might have pulled your support I started mine.
I don't think most people are using the Japanese ideas here. Consent is critical to the western ideas of lifestyle living. Take away consent and you are in cuckold land. "Eric likes it," puts it in 31 flavors of Alpha Cuckold, but it is still cuckold. "I don't have a leash," takes Eric out of the picture. Even in couples I know, this makes no sense to me. At that point, you may as well not even be in a relationship. Completely open-relationships aren't real. And it just makes for sloppy stories in visual novels. It is not good enough in this story.
I think a lot of people are waiting for the next chapter to see how Eric and Vi handle her "no leash" policy. Patreon supporters are on edge. It is a huge discussion everywhere else too. I totally understand that some people are just here for "material." And others are happy with it as-is and are just along for the ride. But that doesn't work for me. I need a compelling story to be happy with the ride enough to use it for "material." If you catch my drift.
I think there is a happy medium that most stories live in. You can have broad categorical definitions without stifling creativity. Based off of past performance, I can easily say that if chapter six issues are not dealt with well, his supporters will have problems just as they did with such a simple issue of Vi in the club and removing the BJ scene from the Gold version with the photographer. I am with those supporters.
It is the dev's story though. He can go against all those wishes if he wants to stick to his "fast and loose" definitions. I just don't think he will want to lose all the support. I truly believe there is support for it either way though. Losing the current group of supporters could gain more support in the end. But based off how F95 folks feel about NTR and the problems that arise when you "don't stick to definitions," I don't think that will be as successful in the end.
This is totally my opinion and I am hoping I am wrong on most of it.
True , some dialogues screams "NTR" Direction (cheating/lying) then suddenly switch to "nah it fine , Erik enjoys" mode... just because he got a hard on doesn't mean he's okay with it.
tho mistakes happens especially on horny state , but A sincere apology may save the day or this open relationship may fail.
that will kick me right in the balls (tho maybe , just maybe if OF content was exclusive only with Eric & Luke+Alice it could be fun ? but no Crossover so we can only Dream about it it in our kinky filthy Brains ).
