palmtrees89

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Take away consent and you are in cuckold land.
Cuckoldry is essentially a form of consensual non-monogamy, where one lover watches their partner having sex with another person. I guess you meant to say NTR-land, which would involve lack of consent.

Both Eric and Vi experienced cuckoldry in some shape or form, and that will continue for sure. With consent, mind you. And no, consent doesn't necessarily mean "I'll ask you over everything I'm going to do" if the rules are set in a way that both partners are okay with it. Worth noting that Eric literally told Vi that he doesn't want her to tell him everything beforehand (which Vi's also mentioned in their back n forth texting during her photoshoot in Ch06). That is consent to explore the unknown.

Anyway... Friendly reminder that these NTR / definition discussions are seen as off-topic and usually end up in deleted posts, so I'll walk away from it. :LOL:
 

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True , some dialogues screams "NTR" Direction (cheating/lying) then suddenly switch to "nah it fine , Erik enjoys" mode... just because he got a hard on doesn't mean he's okay with it.
tho mistakes happens especially on horny state , but A sincere apology may save the day or this open relationship may fail.


that will kick me right in the balls (tho maybe , just maybe if OF content was exclusive only with Eric & Luke+Alice it could be fun ? but no Crossover so we can only Dream about it it in our kinky filthy Brains :4Head:).
I think I've seen somewhere here is a post with a dev comment about Vi's father, he will be sort of antagonist figure(but secretly doing things only from good intentions)
IMO he will play role in putting to stop Vi's progression into the porn industry.(only speculation of mine)
 
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Cuckoldry is essentially a form of consensual non-monogamy, where one lover watches their partner having sex with another person. I guess you meant to say NTR-land, which would involve lack of consent.
Yes, thank you!
Anyway... Friendly reminder that these NTR / definition discussions are seen as off-topic and usually end up in deleted posts, so I'll walk away from it. :LOL:
It is important to always relate it to the story. That is healthy, constructive discussion. Although some tools will report just about anything that they don't want to see.
 

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I think I've seen somewhere here made a post with a dev comment about Vi's father, he will be sort of antagonist figure(but secretly doing things only from good intentions)
IMO he will play role in putting to stop Vi's progression into the porn industry.(only speculation of mine)
I was totally going to say that! Looks like Vi's father wasn't wrong to begin with...assuming she goes into porn.

Worth noting that Eric literally told Vi that he doesn't want her to tell him everything beforehand (which Vi's also mentioned in their back n forth texting during her photoshoot in Ch06). That is consent to explore the unknown.
This falls under the, "Eric likes it," cop out and is just lazy writing. In the face of all the pushback the dev was receiving, his answer is that Eric likes it and he did give her permission to explore. There are so many better ways to make this work in this story without giving blanket or tacit approval.
 
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Here's the deal. After leaving Bethesda Canada (TES4,TES5) I became a dev headhunter for the bigger studios. My view of "commercial success" is not what many of the above commenters assume. $5k-$10K a month? Before taxes, no less, and without hardware upgrades needed to even keep up and expand. Or add more people to the mix. In a very narrow, albiet newly popular trope, that has a limit of maybe 2-4 years? Even the most well known of these (Netorase Phone, Blurring The Walls, etc.) start circling the drain as they get further in when more extreme kinks are introduced, lines are crossed, fair play ends or the relationship story is ignored. They just end up with longer and longer time between updates and become narrow cult classics. If you like it, then by all means LIKE IT. I've sat through countless hundreds of these, and ended up forwarding 5 for review to 5 different studios-over years. I've seen 2 picked up. I've written, coded, animated, created/sub'd out artwork, published and have a killer workstation setup...and I have nothing but respect for indie developers in their own right. And I take it personally when a dev I think I enjoy goes down the same rabbit hole I've seen over and over. I'm jaded in that regard and not always fair but almost always correct in the likely outcome. And that's never personal.
 
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Here's the deal. After leaving Bethesda Canada (TES4,TES5) I became a dev headhunter for the bigger studios. My view of "commercial success" is not what many of the above commenters assume. $5k-$10K a month? Before taxes, no less, and without hardware upgrades needed to even keep up and expand. Or add more people to the mix. In a very narrow, albiet newly popular trope, that has a limit of maybe 2-4 years? Even the most well known of these (Netorase Phone, Blurring The Walls, etc.) start circling the drain as they get further in when more extreme kinks are introduced, lines are crossed, fair play ends or the relationship story is ignored. They just end up with longer and longer time between updates and become narrow cult classics. If you like it, then by all means LIKE IT. I've sat through countless hundreds of these, and ended up forwarding 5 for review to 5 different studios-over years. I've seen 2 picked up. I've written, coded, animated, created/sub'd out artwork, published and have a killer workstation setup...and I have nothing but respect for indie developers in their own right. And I take it personally when a dev I think I enjoy goes down the same rabbit hole I've seen over and over. I'm jaded in that regard and not always fair but almost always correct in the likely outcome. And that's never personal.
So you want to imply that we will never see the "end of the story" of this project? Sorry but it is confusing for me to summarize your statement.
 

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Here's the deal. After leaving Bethesda Canada (TES4,TES5) I became a dev headhunter for the bigger studios. My view of "commercial success" is not what many of the above commenters assume. $5k-$10K a month? Before taxes, no less, and without hardware upgrades needed to even keep up and expand. Or add more people to the mix. In a very narrow, albiet newly popular trope, that has a limit of maybe 2-4 years? Even the most well known of these (Netorase Phone, Blurring The Walls, etc.) start circling the drain as they get further in when more extreme kinks are introduced, lines are crossed, fair play ends or the relationship story is ignored. They just end up with longer and longer time between updates and become narrow cult classics. If you like it, then by all means LIKE IT. I've sat through countless hundreds of these, and ended up forwarding 5 for review to 5 different studios-over years. I've seen 2 picked up. I've written, coded, animated, created/sub'd out artwork, published and have a killer workstation setup...and I have nothing but respect for indie developers in their own right. And I take it personally when a dev I think I enjoy goes down the same rabbit hole I've seen over and over. I'm jaded in that regard and not always fair but almost always correct in the likely outcome. And that's never personal.
Yeah, as the above user said... What the heck are you trying to say? None of the "above commenters" have been talking about commercial success. Your previous post was more or less the same and completely out of the blue, responding to a post that was made a year prior to yours.

I'm calling bot account. This is weird. lol
 

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I was totally going to say that! Looks like Vi's father wasn't wrong to begin with...assuming she goes into porn.


This falls under the, "Eric likes it," cop out and is just lazy writing. In the face of all the pushback the dev was receiving, his answer is that Eric likes it and he did give her permission to explore. There are so many better ways to make this work in this story without giving blanket or tacit approval.
Absolutely correct. The route before in 0.5 version was that Vi taking a cuckqueen route but in 0.6 she started to suck the photographer in exchange deal for Eric to fuck Ariana. that's absolute dogs hit, especially when she discussed this Ari and not Eric. This makes the after club talk worthless. Teasing should have limits, some lines. She should be there when Eric was fucking her friend. Else where is she to enjoy that, as she said before. This update has been another disappointment.
 
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Absolutely correct. The route before in 0.5 version was that Vi taking a cuckqueen route but in 0.6 she started to suck the photographer in exchange deal for Eric to fuck Ariana. that's absolute dogs hit, especially when she discussed this Ari and not Eric. This makes the after club talk worthless. Teasing should have limits, some lines. She should be there when Eric was fucking her friend. Else where is she to enjoy that, as she said before. This game has been another disappointment.
Just to clarify, it was the pornstar not the photographer in the end that she did things with.

Everyone can have their own opinions, I myself would have liked Vi to be there to see Erics first time fully with another girl because I think it'd have been hot - but I'm pretty much 100% sure that will happen in the future - and I also would have certainly not minded Eric being there for Vi's first big step with another guy like that as well. CG himself realized on the latter part that he should keep it a bit more limited to allow for a more fully fleshed out scene to be with Eric present. This was already mentioned on the discord some time ago, no clue if it got mentioned here I've not been active until the other day.

But nothing has actually really changed in their relationship, Eric still gets off to Vi doing things with other guys and surprising him, Vi still gets off on Eric being with other girls. Something I feel like people missed is before Vi ever even arrives at the shoot she already comes to the conclusion that she wants to talk to Ari about sharing her with Eric, when she's texting her on the bench. She didn't just share Ari to him as some sort of payback (at least not only) retroactively, but did it because she had already wanted to anyway.

The game isn't and never was "vanilla"... I tried my best to communicate this without spoiling. But that doesn't mean Eric and Vi don't have a close relationship. It is not a relationship modeled on the real world, people making those comparisons are missing the point. Of course in real life communication is absolutely key, but in a game which is trying to excite the player it can just bog things down and reduce suspense/excitement. And so instead of playing it that way, CG has just made it so Eric and Vi are more or less okay with things taking them off guard, that doesn't mean there's never any tension/drama at all, but it does mean that both have and will do things that in a normal relationship would be massive red flags even in such a relationship but within the context of the game are not taken the same way.

Ultimately, both Eric and Vi are degenerates who get off on each other being degenerates. Eric gets off on Vi being a slut, Vi gets off on Eric fucking other girls. It's not a real world healthy relationship and isn't meant to be, but within the context of the game they still love each other, that hasn't changed.

PS: This isn't a reply to just you, just using your comment as a reply to a number of similarish comments and sort of encapsulating my reply.
 

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Here's the deal. After leaving Bethesda Canada (TES4,TES5) I became a dev headhunter for the bigger studios. My view of "commercial success" is not what many of the above commenters assume. $5k-$10K a month? Before taxes, no less, and without hardware upgrades needed to even keep up and expand. Or add more people to the mix. In a very narrow, albiet newly popular trope, that has a limit of maybe 2-4 years? Even the most well known of these (Netorase Phone, Blurring The Walls, etc.) start circling the drain as they get further in when more extreme kinks are introduced, lines are crossed, fair play ends or the relationship story is ignored. They just end up with longer and longer time between updates and become narrow cult classics. If you like it, then by all means LIKE IT. I've sat through countless hundreds of these, and ended up forwarding 5 for review to 5 different studios-over years. I've seen 2 picked up. I've written, coded, animated, created/sub'd out artwork, published and have a killer workstation setup...and I have nothing but respect for indie developers in their own right. And I take it personally when a dev I think I enjoy goes down the same rabbit hole I've seen over and over. I'm jaded in that regard and not always fair but almost always correct in the likely outcome. And that's never personal.
Imagine being a hornball porn game developer and this guy hits you up in your DM's.
 

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Just to clarify, it was the pornstar not the photographer in the end that she did things with.

Everyone can have their own opinions, I myself would have liked Vi to be there to see Erics first time fully with another girl because I think it'd have been hot - but I'm pretty much 100% sure that will happen in the future - and I also would have certainly not minded Eric being there for Vi's first big step with another guy like that as well. CG himself realized on the latter part that he should keep it a bit more limited to allow for a more fully fleshed out scene to be with Eric present. This was already mentioned on the discord some time ago, no clue if it got mentioned here I've not been active until the other day.

But nothing has actually really changed in their relationship, Eric still gets off to Vi doing things with other guys and surprising him, Vi still gets off on Eric being with other girls. Something I feel like people missed is before Vi ever even arrives at the shoot she already comes to the conclusion that she wants to talk to Ari about sharing her with Eric, when she's texting her on the bench. She didn't just share Ari to him as some sort of payback (at least not only) retroactively, but did it because she had already wanted to anyway.

The game isn't and never was "vanilla"... I tried my best to communicate this without spoiling. But that doesn't mean Eric and Vi don't have a close relationship. It is not a relationship modeled on the real world, people making those comparisons are missing the point. Of course in real life communication is absolutely key, but in a game which is trying to excite the player it can just bog things down and reduce suspense/excitement. And so instead of playing it that way, CG has just made it so Eric and Vi are more or less okay with things taking them off guard, that doesn't mean there's never any tension/drama at all, but it does mean that both have and will do things that in a normal relationship would be massive red flags even in such a relationship but within the context of the game are not taken the same way.

Ultimately, both Eric and Vi are degenerates who get off on each other being degenerates. Eric gets off on Vi being a slut, Vi gets off on Eric fucking other girls. It's not a real world healthy relationship and isn't meant to be, but within the context of the game they still love each other, that hasn't changed.

PS: This isn't a reply to just you, just using your comment as a reply to a number of similarish comments and sort of encapsulating my reply.
Yeah that okay, but the shot or dynamics changed way tooo quickly. As I said she was going to be on the cuckqueen route, now it's, I don't know which route this is. As you highlighted, she was talking to Ari about sharing Eric but now its lets share me with every other guy to tease Eric. The couple has become reactive to others, and lost the initiative in these situations. She is becoming worse than Maki. Right now it's going to be no boundaries and Eric will be the disadvantaged here. I hope he and Vi take some control and that is displayed in the gameplay. It's like how Maki treated Rob. Rob could be alternate mc until Maki shut him down.
 
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Something I feel like people missed is before Vi ever even arrives at the shoot she already comes to the conclusion that she wants to talk to Ari about sharing her with Eric
solid points , but Maybe she was already planed to push further ? and prepare Erik for it ? (a trick that wife can do irl if she want something that normally he'll refuse , makes him super horny then he will become a finger in her hands , not directly related but you get the point xD) , either way , doing something alone (from both sides) killed the teasing vibe.

but in a game which is trying to excite the player it can just bog things down and reduce suspense/excitement
tbh , personally teasing edging is more exciting , tho the real action should be special (hell even a live show through phone could probably work to see his reaction , so if she feels something off (i...i don't know...n...not sure about this....may....maybe) she stops going further or (-hell yeah babe go for it -you sure ? -yes and i'm glad you told me first). but i still believe the best scenario is he/she have to be present , it a big moment.

ik all of this just a fantasy but i believe this is an Open relationship NOT a Free pass level yet where it doesn't matter if he/she tells :)
 
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