Adamska
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I have no idea what point you're trying to make, but I've Googled "diverse" for the guy who thinks only Chocolate Cake is allowed at the Cake Party:
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You see everything is about personal taste, if story would've turned out to be one of those 3 ways, I wouldn't bat an eye and still enjoyed it quite much, but right now, when I can compare, I would choose the current path taken with no hesitation.
Those "3 ways"(small reference - who remember that old flash game?) are great and wholesome, it fits current narrative, but for me it doesn't stay near with a surge of pure emotions that I've got from knowing Vi goes full slut mode. We are all different and I respect your vision.
All you're doing here is projecting your vision of the story instead of actually enjoying the story for what it is.
I would do this.....
I'd scrap this.....
Because it doesn't fit your definition of a kink.
This what I'm talking about with people imposing themselves onto a plot, because their immersion experience isn't fulfilled. Not realizing it's their own personalized take and it wouldn't suit everyone. Who would in turn grumble and make the same arguments and the cycle repeats.
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Have you ever been in a book club? I'm guessing no if you think F95 posts are projection or imposition. This is a forum for talking about the VN's characters and events, so yeah... people are sharing their opinions.
Except this is a kinetic vn with no choices, so people can't choose not to have something in it (unless they close their eyes? but it's not like things they don't like wouldn't have happened either way). And it's all fine as it is.
I just pointed out that what CG wrote and what you wrote are completely different things and it doesn't prove your "point".
And btw, the cake thing was just a simple example to show how diversifying things doesn't mean appealing to more people, an analogy you missed out completely.
What the heck do you keep posting over and over again about? Eric was with Vi at the bar scene where her ass got slapped, he was with her at the club, he was with her in the alley. He texts her all the time about how sexy it is when she teases other men and how he gets turned on when they talk about her doing other guys. He can't be with her all the time. The photo shoots are HER thing that SHE wants to do. Your just arguing and rebutting poster after poster because you want the game to fit some kind of genre that you have in your mind. Now you're posting about diversity? What are you going on about? Vi seems to be all about diversity. BBC, old dudes, porn stars, she even finds women attractive. She teases with Eric, she teases without Eric. She seems okay with cheating on Eric with him being there and as the photo shoot shows, she seems okay with cheating when he's not there. Whole thing seems pretty diverse to me. You seem to be rebutting different posters just because some aspect of the game disagrees with you. That's fine, dislike what you want in the game, but to keep posting over and over because other people like what you don't in a porn game? C'mon man.
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turbokinetics
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her stuff at the photoshop is for her and for eric. shes an exhibitionist remember? and he likes hear about it and seeing it. it is all at eric's enjoyment. he even mentioned that a few times while watching her playing with that model while he was with Ari, about her looking at the camera, for him or whatever the wording was. i think this whole community needs to relax and just enjoy the story or move it along if its not their cup of tea. kinetic's arent made to please wide audiences, not in this genre
No, I've never been in a book club. I'm too busy rubbing one out to porn games lol
If you're doing some fan fic then just say so otherwise that's a convenient cop out.
idk bro, you have a lot of comments talking about 'READ THE DIALOGUE'. You seem just as invested as the people that aren't happy with the story. This isn't just a jerk and move on game for you
I.... agree! Any story owes something only to its author, but your take makes for better and more credible pacing in both the story and its character arcs. If anything, it's less awkward and random, which would have made a sexier experience.
Okay then consider this my book club.
Also if they not really reading the story they don't really hate it. They hate how the real story doesn't match up with the fake story they created in thier heads from watching the illustrations on the skip feature.
Also also it was a friggin joke lol
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Adamska
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CG has talked about adding choices in the future. Even if that were not the case, why is talking about disliking how a narrative played out offensive? Maybe that feedback is considered in the future for other encounters, or alternate paths are added once the game wraps.
CG said they want to include a diverse range of interests and fantasies in their work, not me. And they're doing that to... appeal to a wider audience. Right? Apparently you get a different impression from their Patreon mission statement. I posted that quote because another Bruce fan asked "Have you ever considered devs might not be trying to appeal to a wider audience" (?) I think many of you just want to argue with people who don't love how the second photoshoot played out.
Not offensive, just dumb. Your justifications on why it was bad is based on your own non-fulfilled expectations and attempts to self-insert in a story in which you dislike but keeps coming back praying it'll somehow magically change directions in what you and a handful loud minority wants.
I also have aspects I dislike or that I think would be better done in another way and I also talk about it here every now and then, that's fine and nobody accuses me of hating the game or being a troll since I'm not doing it as religiously as you nor am I trying to make the game something else entirely that it is not.
"Readers fully understand that the characters Vi and Eric are having a blast and there's no issue between them. As pointed out several times, however, "the characters loved that" doesn't make an audience love something too. " — Adamska
This phrase of yours resumes it all. You can even understand the story, something many that are always complaining here can't, but even so you're trying to put your own opinions higher than that of the characters themselves who are living it, and also ignoring the bigger part of the audience that's fine with the story so far with minor criticism.
Valid criticism is good, but trying to validate an argument full of curved rethoric to change core aspects of the characters and the game itself is just annoying and that's why people are replying to your takes.
CG themselves posted here (it got deleted by the mods and no one knows why) just after Ch6 that they don't take people's opinions like that, he has a small group of people who beta test the game and those are the only ones they do listen to opinions that can really affect the chapter. CG's doing his own story and if people are liking it good, if not then patience.
This is a work-in-progress. As such, it is open to changes made frequently and expectedly. There were parts of the story that the audience did not like and as a result, CG changed the story. He can write whatever he wants but not considering his audience would be a "fatal" mistake for the visual novel. (See below)
CG himself, and those defending him here and on Discord, have used the phrase that as long as. 'Eric likes it, it is fine'. We have discussed that phrase ad nauseum. But it is important to understand Adamska is saying, just because you keep using that phrase does not mean that it makes up for the weak excuse it provides in the story to justify extreme behavior of a character. It will only go so far. And in fact, it has already reached its limit. Maybe not for you, but for a large number of people. (Again, see below)
This entire forum is designed for people to discuss every aspect of a visual novel. Only an illiterate moron would come here to say, "Porn good, story bad."
Guess what? Professional writer or not, he is now considered a professional. He is getting paid to write this story. He pays attention to this forum, Discord, Patreon, and who knows what other forums to learn about how people feel about the story. He DOES make changes to the story based on that feedback, not just his beta testers and a few trusted individuals. That is just smart use of the tools provided.
Ask ten people how they feel about this story and they will give you ten different answers. It would be in CG's best interests to listen to that feedback. Point of fact, he lost supporters because of content that people did not like. He changed that content as a result. The feedback is important to him. Stop pretending that it isn't.
CG can write the story any way he wants. He can choose to ignore all the feedback that the story is going sideways. He can choose to only accept the feedback, "Porn good, story bad." Both will have consequences. If you want to really influence things, get your porn buddies together and provide financial support for that opinion. But that is NOT the opinion being largely supported currently on Patreon, Discord, and F95.
So, have all the discussions you want about what a majority is (in your later posts) and why you think the story is going just the way you like it. I guarantee that CG is seeing a different picture. One where there are a lot of people who supported the story BEFORE Chapter 6, and are not happy with they way Chapter 6 went.
It isn't about corruption, it is about mentorship and learning from an experienced couple. They do this to avoid making the mistakes that end relationships.
Where is this majority? Those who are crying ntr this ntr that? I don't think those are the indended viewer group. The whole situation was super hot, I can confirm it, dev not changing a thing does confirm it, all proofreaders and people helping him do confirm it, yourmomma can confirm it.
Gentlemen, you've devolved the argument back to a, "Well, I like it the way it is so CG shouldn't change a thing." "You don't like it because you self-insert." "You don't like it because you are not interpreting the story the way I am."
What makes you right and everyone else wrong? Both points of view can exist. I can dislike something for the same reason you like it. Putting one's self into a story is the very point of storytelling. This is not a weakness. Not everyone has the ability to do it, also not a weakness.
And more, "Read the dialogue, it is all there in plain sight." Again, for you. This dev jumps around with poor control of the story A LOT. No doubt in part to his defining the kinks 'his own way' and playing it loose and fast with 'genre-bending' ideas. Not having a solid understanding of human behavior while writing a story about human behavior tends to have that effect.
People are pointing out the weaknesses they see in the story. Just because you are fine with EVERYTHING in the story, or because you view it as just porn, does not mean that everyone sees it that way. Again, both points of view are valid.
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Cherry picking replies just to prove a point, how mature. Once more we are looped - ready for the NUKE.
Just because you didn't like some aspects doesn't mean everybody did! Because vocal people like you, if there will be a critical mass of those, it may matter, so I will always be here to prove my point and to defend CGs decisions.
If the game would turned out to be more, like your vision or to your liking - I would probably still enjoy it a lot, when it turns out to be the way I like it, you start to whine saying it's not good and I can see flaws etc etc. The hypocrisy.
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Give this man the White Knight award he so desires! It is not your responsibility to defend him. He comes on here himself and he is a big boy. Nobody is attacking him to begin with. Obviously, people like the game, even those of us who are critical of his writing. We would not be here otherwise.
How do you know what is going to happen in the game, by the way? What direction is it headed? So many people want to know! Defend CG's decision to remove and change scenes. Why did he do that? To better fit your version of an NTR paradise? Where Vi can do whatever she wants and come home to the weak, pathetic boyfriend and he will kiss it all better? Why is Eric written as such a weak-willed person? But then suddenly has the intestinal fortitude to control Ari? He cannot control Vi, so he has to control Ari? Or is it more like CG is playing from a bingo card of fetishes and wants to hit them all, similar to the bimbo slut screw card?
The answer, I believe, is that CG does not have a clear vision for the themes of this story. He chooses to play "fast and loose" instead of relying on tried and true behaviors of people who share their SO regularly. Instead of defining and providing solidly-written prose, he throws in the excuse that it all gets cleared up when Eric says it is all fine. You don't see a problem with using that as the plot device?
The people debating these topics here all care for the story and want to see it succeed. They are not attacking CG, just demanding a quality story. Answers for so many unanswered pieces of plot hanging in the open. There is a valuable mileage in telling a story where Eric and Vi screw up because they are new to this and just horny teens. But that doesn't seem to be the story either. It's all blurry and I am asking for reading glasses, but that seems to bother you.
Lastly, what am I cherry-picking? Cannot attack my arguments so you instead try to attack the person? Wow. "How mature."
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what game have you been playing to say eric is weak and pathetic? his fortitude has been there the whole time he just doesnt use it in everyday situations, but its in there albeit a little buried. this will likely end up being his character growth. and hes never tried to control Vi. thats not their dynamic at all. never was, never has. and no its not a problem with eric saying "its all fine" cause he pretty much gave her permission to act without permission, another users posted it a few pages back. but he def gave her independent greenlight. there isnt that many unanswered questions lol
you guys do know that this isnt gonna be up for an oscar and its just a sex game yea?
at least wait for the aftermath to raise your pitchforks. you still dont even know how the dev is gonna handle it lol yall basically upset about a cliffhanger
Come on, nobody is expecting Pulitzer Prize-winning writing here. Just clean things up. Make it work.
You do realize "Eric is fine with it...," is just a placeholder for every time someone says that he is fine, or he gave permission, or they talked about it, and...he was fine with it. It gives the author permission to do anything and when people ask, "WTF, how did we get to this point so fast?," he can answer, "Meh, they talked about it and it was fine." There is no reason to provide solid thematic reasoning any longer. Just throw in one of those placeholder excuses.
Eric's character growth is a spectacular way to introduce and grow the idea of his strength in sexual control. If Eric showed any potential at all, where is it? He is very weak throughout the whole story, until Chapter 6 when we see him controlling Ari by manipulating him to go there. Possible? Sure. Zero to a hundred in an instant? Absolutely. There were five previous chapters where he could START exerting that control. Learning who he is and how he wants to be with women. Plenty of scenes where he could exhibit ANY of that behavior. But he doesn't.
I think most of us complaining about the Chapter 6 "cliffhanger" have all admitted we will have to wait and see how it gets handled. Some have speculated ways for him to do it. Others have even suggested a better way for her character growth to occur. But nobody credible has said, "Screw this guy, I'm going home."
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Played the game today (pretty good btw), came to this last page, read 5% of the wall of texts. Let me guess: a few idiots are mad cause Vi (their angel, lmaooo) had a cock to her face without Eric's explicit permission?
Get a life brothers.
Get a life brothers.
Dude you are insane, picking some words and interpet them how you fit. I'm not defending only CGs vision but also the way I like it, so he won't judge oppinions on the example of people like yourself.
What the fuck are you blubbering about where is game heading to... I never mentioned any insight neither thoughts of mine about knowing where the story is going to, only what it currently is.
You still try to fit your own narrative in every single comment you make and beeing a soy boy about the story turning out not the way your precious fantasies are.
Who are you to demand? When there are people exist who already enjoy the way it is.
If you want to demand - provide, go make your own game, I'll watch it with pleasure.