VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [Ch.6 Final] [CircleGames]

[deimos86]

I need Vi pov now!

 

[SymbioticLife]

Most of the people leaving criticism, from what I've read, are not saying "Vi shouldn't give blowjobs." They're pointing out the dialogue they don't like, usually focusing on Vi's inner thoughts creaming over Bruce and losing control while shooting with him. Eric is an afterthought in these scenes, and Vi even mentions Eric is irrelevant because she's a different person with Bruce. Something being hot or not is subjective to a reader, and the Bruce fans have made it very clear how they feel. I've just been seeing a ton of "read the dialogue" counter-points made to posts critical of the last update. We are reading the dialogue, we just didn't like it.

I don't want to get embroiled in an argument over this stuff ever again, but I feel like a lot of lines of dialogue are being missed.


"But I shouldn't be scared!"
"The trust we have in each other..."
"...the love we have..."
"...isn't something that can be shaken so easily"


"I have no problem with it!"
"Fuck it! I love it!"
"I want it! I crave it!"
"The eyes...the attention..."
"With Eric's support...I feel like I can do anything!"


"Fuck! It's gonna happen..."
"My first shoot with an actual male model"
"And from what Bruce said..."
"...it looks like he's a big deal..."
"Eric...I wish you were here..."
"...seeing this...seeing me...telling me what to do..."
"I'm sorry, babe...things might get a little heated..."
(This last thought is the last we get from her)

Saying Eric is irrelevant to her thoughts is false. But her thoughts are conflicted, to contradict my own argument let's have some other thoughts of hers in the same scene.


"I'm sorry...I can't stop it..."
"My body...my true self..."
"All of me wants to be bad!"
"Bad for a man who isn't my boyfriend"
"For a man who's old enough to be my dad..."


"The tension between us today is...something else..."
"It's different from what I feel with Eric"
"Maybe because he's older and...well..."
"...not my boyfriend..."


"Because of my boyfriend?"
"No, dear Bruce...it's not because of him"
"I just love the tease!"
"And so does Eric..."
"He wants what I want...for me to let go..."
"But here...under the camera..."
"It feels different...more real!"
"Eric gives me permission...Bruce takes it..."
"And that's exactly what I want!"

Which obviously gives a slightly different impression, so people will have to find out next time more of Vi's thoughts. I think everyone should just chill out a bit and wait and see. Making guesses and discussing is obviously great. But making assumptions about all sorts of things - which are often very off base from what CG has openly discussed let alone what he has said privately in the past - isn't really very helpful.

Then they get mad later, because they purposely chose to ignore certain parts of the story development and when it comes to a climax their naivety is shattered. This is not a love story.

Definitely is a love story, albeit not one that is remotely vanilla. It's not the primary focus, it is first and foremost a porn game which I think is a strength, as it has enough character drama (romance, family, friends etc) to make people interested in the characters without getting super bogged down.

Again, I don't want either group to get the wrong impression, because I see both sides of this argument being wrong about different aspects. It's super fun to guess where a story is going to go that you're interested in, or what scenes might make it in. But the game is not really meant to be a game with a negative vibe, even if it has some drama at times.

 

[Adamska]

Saying Eric is irrelevant to her thoughts is false.

"With Eric's support...I feel like I can do anything!"

Again, I want to clarify the difference between character preferences and audience preferences. Chapter 6 critics (at least most of us) understand that Eric likes what's happening.

Small things would go a long way toward keeping the relationship feeling closer to some readers, like please give your boyfriend a phone call before becoming a porn whore. That would let Eric actually support her first porn scene shoot. It would also be less comical to read about Eric's inner dialogue while watching Vi's studio content ("it's just like Vi is posing for me, looking at me through the camera, challenging me frfr") when we as readers have just marinated in her thoughts of Bruce's primacy while jilling throughout both sessions.

 

[wmrxd]

For me, the dynamic between Vi and Bruce feels extremely strange — it seems like he has a kind of power over her that’s equal to or even greater than Eric’s. Vi simply does everything he wants, admires the way he talks to her, and even her inner thoughts reflect that. It’s as if he can control her however he wants — and the weirdest part is that she enjoys it, just like she does with Eric. Bruce ends up being as much of a catalyst as her actual boyfriend, which I find pretty disturbing. I think it’s wrong for someone to have that kind of power in a relationship. On top of that, all those thoughts that Symbiotic brings up during the filming seem to clash with who Vi really is. Because of all that, I consider this arc — mainly because of the power dynamic between Bruce and Vi — the weakest one in the story.

 

[PsyDoggo]

For me, the dynamic between Vi and Bruce feels extremely strange — it seems like he has a kind of power over her that’s equal to or even greater than Eric’s. Vi simply does everything he wants, admires the way he talks to her, and even her inner thoughts reflect that. It’s as if he can control her however he wants — and the weirdest part is that she enjoys it, just like she does with Eric. Bruce ends up being as much of a catalyst as her actual boyfriend, which I find pretty disturbing. I think it’s wrong for someone to have that kind of power in a relationship. On top of that, all those thoughts that Symbiotic brings up during the filming seem to clash with who Vi really is. Because of all that, I consider this arc — mainly because of the power dynamic between Bruce and Vi — the weakest one in the story.

Here will peresent you why such things may happen, by repeating one of my previous comments.

Try to imagine, you are Vi, yesterday you sucked your bf cock with your bff, constantly talking and thinking about sex(more than sex, pervetred debauchery), you like to see your bf fucks around and you know that he enjoyes it, and vise versa, you already had a 1st shoot with all conciquences, you are on your way to another and want to bring higher stakes to be noticed, the shoot is a kinky fiesta(you love it as Vi) and with all that pent-up sexual energy and frustration you may fuck even a doorknob and feel great about it. I'm going to sound gay and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to prove my point, if I were on Violet place I wouldn't only stop on licking some dick. I think there is no human beeing that could've withstand that lvl of lust at the moment.



Doesn't it feel real when a person can succumb to their own desires?

 

[wmrxd]

Here will peresent you why such things may happen, by repeating one of my previous comments.

Try to imagine, you are Vi, yesterday you sucked your bf cock with your bff, constantly talking and thinking about sex(more than sex, pervetred debauchery), you like to see your bf fucks around and you know that he enjoyes it, and vise versa, you already had a 1st shoot with all conciquences, you are on your way to another and want to bring higher stakes to be noticed, the shoot is a kinky fiesta(you love it as Vi) and with all that pent-up sexual energy and frustration you may fuck even a doorknob and feel great about it. I'm going to sound gay and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to prove my point, if I were on Violet place I wouldn't only stop on licking some dick. I think there is no human beeing that could've withstand that lvl of lust at the moment.



Doesn't it feel real when a person can succumb to their own desires?

We have different opinions on some aspects and agree on others — and that’s perfectly fine, that’s what makes the game interesting. I agree about Vi wanting to become increasingly bold and express her repressed desires; that makes sense to me. What I disagree with is the way she treats Bruce — for me, that crosses the line. The control he has over her is too strong for a supporting character; in my view, the only one who should have that kind of power over her is Eric. It ends up feeling like her actions aren’t really about Eric, but about what Bruce wants her to do. I’d prefer if those actions came more from her own will and her connection with Eric, but even her inner thoughts suggest otherwise.

 

[PsyDoggo]

We have different opinions on some aspects and agree on others — and that’s perfectly fine, that’s what makes the game interesting. I agree about Vi wanting to become increasingly bold and express her repressed desires; that makes sense to me. What I disagree with is the way she treats Bruce — for me, that crosses the line. The control he has over her is too strong for a supporting character; in my view, the only one who should have that kind of power over her is Eric. It ends up feeling like her actions aren’t really about Eric, but about what Bruce wants her to do. I’d prefer if those actions came more from her own will and her connection with Eric, but even her inner thoughts suggest otherwise.

It's your point and I respect it, the difference in our takes is the amout/lvl of control under the whole situation. While for somebody (like me for ex.) the lack of control makes it hotter(beeing more unpredictable + letting fantasy fly more), on the other hand, there are readers for whom this lack of control makes an opposite impression(like letting your LI too far from a comfort zone, where those games are safe no more.(I think))

That's is also why, because of Bruce's influence, I have speculated on more darker themes - there is a solid base for this kind of speculations.

Right now we already got some statement from Symbiotic that the game might take more fun/bright approach and the next arc should be all about redemption and reclamation.

 

[sam00001]

How should have been more gradual when all they do is fantasize and talk about fucking other people and watching it?


Edit: Huh, brand new account with only two posts and one of them is practically a carbon copy canned statement parroting others almost verbatim. Me thinks a certain crowd is up to their same old tricks again, but changed tactics. As clued in by certain statements made to me in an earlier DM.

i dont know about what carbon copy ur talking about, I finished the game, felt dissatisfied with the ending and felt to see what others were saying about the ending. Thats all. I am not criticizing, complaining or anything. Thats it brother.

 

[wmrxd]

It's your point and I respect it, the difference in our takes is the amout/lvl of control under the whole situation. While for somebody (like me for ex.) the lack of control makes it hotter(beeing more unpredictable + letting fantasy fly more), on the other hand, there are readers for whom this lack of control makes an opposite impression(like letting your LI too far from a comfort zone, where those games are safe no more.(I think))

That's is also why, because of Bruce's influence, I have speculated on more darker themes - there is a solid base for this kind of speculations.

Right now we already got some statement from Symbiotic that the game might take more fun/bright approach and the next arc should be all about redemption and reclamation.

That's exactly what you said. For me, in this type of relationship they have, I believe that in the early stages they're in, the more conversation and control from both sides, the better. With time, as they get used to this dynamic, they can have more and more freedom. This way, the chance of problems and misinterpretations decreases considerably.

 

[Zobra]

like a redemtion arc?

yes , while Bruce down there eating her out (idk why i remembered Queen Kane from "See" series when i read what you wrote )

 

[yourmomma]

I don't want to get embroiled in an argument over this stuff ever again, but I feel like a lot of lines of dialogue are being missed.


"But I shouldn't be scared!"
"The trust we have in each other..."
"...the love we have..."
"...isn't something that can be shaken so easily"


"I have no problem with it!"
"Fuck it! I love it!"
"I want it! I crave it!"
"The eyes...the attention..."
"With Eric's support...I feel like I can do anything!"


"Fuck! It's gonna happen..."
"My first shoot with an actual male model"
"And from what Bruce said..."
"...it looks like he's a big deal..."
"Eric...I wish you were here..."
"...seeing this...seeing me...telling me what to do..."
"I'm sorry, babe...things might get a little heated..."
(This last thought is the last we get from her)

Saying Eric is irrelevant to her thoughts is false. But her thoughts are conflicted, to contradict my own argument let's have some other thoughts of hers in the same scene.


"I'm sorry...I can't stop it..."
"My body...my true self..."
"All of me wants to be bad!"
"Bad for a man who isn't my boyfriend"
"For a man who's old enough to be my dad..."


"The tension between us today is...something else..."
"It's different from what I feel with Eric"
"Maybe because he's older and...well..."
"...not my boyfriend..."


"Because of my boyfriend?"
"No, dear Bruce...it's not because of him"
"I just love the tease!"
"And so does Eric..."
"He wants what I want...for me to let go..."
"But here...under the camera..."
"It feels different...more real!"
"Eric gives me permission...Bruce takes it..."
"And that's exactly what I want!"

Which obviously gives a slightly different impression, so people will have to find out next time more of Vi's thoughts. I think everyone should just chill out a bit and wait and see. Making guesses and discussing is obviously great. But making assumptions about all sorts of things - which are often very off base from what CG has openly discussed let alone what he has said privately in the past - isn't really very helpful.



Definitely is a love story, albeit not one that is remotely vanilla. It's not the primary focus, it is first and foremost a porn game which I think is a strength, as it has enough character drama (romance, family, friends etc) to make people interested in the characters without getting super bogged down.

Again, I don't want either group to get the wrong impression, because I see both sides of this argument being wrong about different aspects. It's super fun to guess where a story is going to go that you're interested in, or what scenes might make it in. But the game is not really meant to be a game with a negative vibe, even if it has some drama at times.

Dialogue alot of people are over looking. Thanks for that. I posted some quotes earlier and still people chose to ignore them. They only see what they want to see.

Yes, after I posted this I ran it through my brain noodle and could have worded that better, but irl happened and I haven't been able to get back until now. It would have been better worded as, " not the love story you want it to be. " or something to that affect. Erik and Vi definitely have a bond, but it's not the typical love story.