chunkas

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I still don't get why he gives himself these self imposed deadlines on updates.
He clearly planned to release the latest update with Lucy for the World Cup that is currently taking place. This is when talk about his "poor time management". Something went wrong as usual. On November 23, Spain defeated Costa Rica with a score of 7-0. Tomorrow is the game with Germany. Maybe he's just a devoted football fan? Then now he's definitely not up to the release of game.
 

QnotU

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While I can agree with most of what you said,
they're not actually paying for a product, they're paying to support an artist.

Just because you throw money in the hat doesn't entitle you to make demands.

Having said that he's clearly in way over his head, even before his health issues.
I still don't get why he gives himself these self imposed deadlines on updates.
Most devs just give a percentage update and only post a date when they know they can deliver.

Frankly, if at this point you still get upset at his antics I'mma call that a you problem.
I see where you are trying to come from, but your argument doesnt hold water.

People are paying to support an artist, or in this case a dev, yes. However, if the developer doesnt meet expectations, or starts making a product that people do not like, then that developer runs the risk of losing their audience. It has happened several times before (coughcoughicstorcoughcough). Its the same idea as the famous saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Asking someone to do the bare minimum as a developer, and communicate with their audience, deliver updates when they say they are going to, and not be an asshole is not a "demand".

I do absolutely agree that he needs to stop giving deadlines that he cannot meet. I, and a lot of people here, understand that delays happen due to unforseen circumstances. With Botn, these circumstances are constant.

Finally, at this point I am not even really bothered by not getting the update. If anything I am more pissed that Beggar had the audacity to put censored sex scenes in the files as a middle finger to his audience. To this day, I have not seen an adult developer disrespect their audience in the way that he has.
 

Swalexxx

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Asking someone to do the bare minimum as a developer, and communicate with their audience, deliver updates when they say they are going to, and not be an asshole is not a "demand".
Like I said, I agree with all that.

I simply disagreed with your statement of it being a "product they are paying for".
And that, as an artist on Patreon, he's simply under no obligation to do anything that is "asked" of him by his patrons.

If the consequence of his behavior means he loses support, that's on him.

And as for it not being a demand, there's a fine line between asking and demanding,
but this being the internet and reading thru the comments here,
I assumed there's not a lot of "asking nicely" being done :)
(I'd be happy to be wrong, ofcourse)
 

ZoneIT

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The fact that are people still defending begger and creating excuses for him is the most insane thing ever.
The other insane thing is that they are here in this forum and reporting to begger everything we are saying
At this point, people are not even supporting the porn of the game ...they are just throwing money away to piss off the other side of people that hates begger.
And the argument that he should not put deadlines and release when he wants is even more stupid and people abuse of it"imagine you create a company and you get contracted to do something for someone and you tell them you will get it done when we fell like it...imagine the reaction of that person...you will look like a complete clown"
When you put a deadline, you put an objective for you to prove that you are a person worth the trust of others...
Deadlines sell, Erotic Art sells, Trust sells...
I will open a Patreon and say that i will make the best game ever and release it when it's good and ready give me money, please

Maybe WW3 is not such a bad idea...
 
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How can something like this happen? putting in a plug in that DESTROYS your entire game making it unplayable… Also why does he say he needs a couple of day and then straight after he says he is releasing it at the end of december. There is no way his discord is quiet and people are calm, I would be fumming if something like this happen. Why does he keep giving dates if he isnt 100% that he is going to be finished by that point???? Just embarrassing
 

chunkas

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How can something like this happen? putting in a plug in that DESTROYS your entire game making it unplayable… Also why does he say he needs a couple of day and then straight after he says he is releasing it at the end of december. There is no way his discord is quiet and people are calm, I would be fumming if something like this happen. Why does he keep giving dates if he isnt 100% that he is going to be finished by that point???? Just embarrassing
Relax, bro. As soon as Spain crashes out of the World Cup, then maybe a Beggar will return to the game. Maybe he's in Qatar right now. If so, then I silently envy him. You collected money from subscribers and basket in the southern sun with hot girls:
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Spain, go, go!
But what about the update? Will be soon.
 
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- ZAIKO -

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Where did you get this info from?
If so, then he has one more step left to take: to give up the money of patrons. What about this?
Kind of obvious. Or you invest good money in your game building a good team (Coders, etc.), after all, this is the main way to earn money. Or leave it to the moths.

Unfortunately most of his Patrons must faithfully defend this game, as well as many others.
 

chunkas

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Kind of obvious. Or you invest good money in your game building a good team (Coders, etc.), after all, this is the main way to earn money. Or leave it to the moths.

Unfortunately most of his Patrons must faithfully defend this game, as well as many others.
Hmmm, to the moths? Maybe for years?
I just thought you had some inside. Listen, BoN was going to make a game with his own arts. Don't you know anything about it?
 

david123

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Kind of obvious. Or you invest good money in your game building a good team (Coders, etc.), after all, this is the main way to earn money. Or leave it to the moths.

Unfortunately most of his Patrons must faithfully defend this game, as well as many others.
I think there is a word for it : where someone irrationally defends something they have a lot of investment in. Its similar to StarCitizen fans who have spent thousands of dollars backing the game and still cannot accept the fact that 10 - 15 years is a bit too long for a game to be still in development. If anyone knows the word for this behavior please let me know.
 

hsource2

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I think there is a word for it : where someone irrationally defends something they have a lot of investment in. Its similar to StarCitizen fans who have spent thousands of dollars backing the game and still cannot accept the fact that 10 - 15 years is a bit too long for a game to be still in development. If anyone knows the word for this behavior please let me know.
Sunk cost fallacy
 

alltreck

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Hey there) Can't finish Pam, found her mother, done all sex options. Finished Nadine's quest, done threesome with Nadine and Pam. But it anyway tells me to go to Pam's apartment....

Also during Pam visit there is an animation of us smoking and talking but no text...

Aaand it looks like there should be Nadine's anal opinion but it's not available, though her rout if finished...
 

Strajder

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I think there is a word for it : where someone irrationally defends something they have a lot of investment in. Its similar to StarCitizen fans who have spent thousands of dollars backing the game and still cannot accept the fact that 10 - 15 years is a bit too long for a game to be still in development. If anyone knows the word for this behavior please let me know.
Star Citizen is the biggest scam in game history. Game is in developmemt for 10+ years with funding surpassed 300 fucking million dollars and game is still in early alpha stage. That game will never be finished, mark my words.:KEK:
 

huiyai

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Star Citizen is the biggest scam in game history. Game is in developmemt for 10+ years with funding surpassed 300 fucking million dollars and game is still in early alpha stage. That game will never be finished, mark my words.:KEK:
I think it will because this game needs 2 or 3 more updates,and not big updates. But MNL2 will never come, and even if it does, it will never end.
 
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WOMANpukumaru

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So how do you guys think the people in the timeline where the patrons chose the sequel over the revamp are doing?

Do you tho l they got to fuck Lucy(who used to be named Dr Robson) yet?
 
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