Of course he is. You're either weak af or have some kind of cognitive limitations if you can't skip a scene you don't like. Do it. Stand up.
I'll never really understand why it's such a big deal with porn (games).
You don't just skip an annoying boss fight in a game you otherwise enjoy. You don't just skip a chapter in a book you like that makes you uncomfortable. You don't just skip half of a good movie you watch in a cinema.
Yes, there's ways to do these things - but you can also do that in a porn game, and apparently that doesn't count, so it shouldn't count for these either.
Why are people so goddamn emotionally invested in getting exactly their pidgeon-holed content they think want, and are deeply offended if an artist or creator says "no, I got other priorities"? For a piece of cartoonish porn fiction ...
... well, at this point it's kinda moot; we know it is that way and you can either deal with an angry mob or cave in. But from time to time it baffles me all over again ^^
You don't just skip an annoying boss fight in a game you otherwise enjoy. You don't just skip a chapter in a book you like that makes you uncomfortable. You don't just skip half of a good movie you watch in a cinema.
Yes, there's ways to do these things - but you can also do that in a porn game, and apparently that doesn't count, so it shouldn't count for these either.
Why are people so goddamn emotionally invested in getting exactly their pidgeon-holed content they think want, and are deeply offended if an artist or creator says "no, I got other priorities"? For a piece of cartoonish porn fiction ...
... well, at this point it's kinda moot; we know it is that way and you can either deal with an angry mob or cave in. But from time to time it baffles me all over again ^^
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Dont listen to soy boys if ure patreon u have all right to demand some kind of quality and have expectations, i would never said ure this or that to people who pay for your food like that, only give respect to people who treat you with respect, to tell you that ure weak because you had audacity to pay and have some expectations... The nerve on those fucking patrons who give him money...
There is a fine line between having expectations and being entitled to them.
- Being a patron to someone does not mean you are their employer, or that you have a binding contract with him.
- Patreon works as a tip jar: throwing some bucks to someone, even recurrently, does not mean you are owed something by law nor by ethos.
- Any request to the author is just that: a request, with no fulfillment obligation.
All in all, the correct reaction when you are a Patron and you're not satisfied with what you see or how the creator acts is to unsubscribe. But there is nothing more to it than that.
It's in the name, patron means customer. If you're smart you make whatever your customers want to buy. What you're describing is charity.
A patron is just someone who gives financial support, not specifically a customer. Like in Renaissances Italy where rich nobles would just fund pet artists to flaunt how much wealth they had, and outside the occasional commission the artists just did whatever the fuck they wanted.
Making popular shit gets you more money, but nothing forces you to do so.
A patron is a provider of financial (or other) support. It's ultimate origin is Latin for "father", similar to a parent giving support to their child, except it was applied more broadly (like an advocate or guardian). This later developed into political or monetary patronage ...
A customer is a buyer; it's quite a different thing.
Obviously if you run a Patreon you gotta find a balance, but if you cave in to every demand you'll just produce the equivalent of AAA gaming/Marvel movie garbage for porn; lowest common denominator nobody cares about five minutes after they got excited for it. Leaving aside the impossibility of fulfilling everyone's contradictory demands ...
Patron means customer this is neither ancient Greece or renaissance Italy.
Please look at Patreon's homepage. You won't find the term "customer", not even once. This is done on purpose. You'll find terms like "fans", and "community". Again, on purpose. Also there is a noticeable stress on the fact that creators can handle things how they want (cit. "on your own terms"). Does this skew the dynamics on the creator's side? Yes, absolutely. But it's written on the tin, clear as day.
That's why I said that people should temper their expectations, because they are not employers or customers - by design. And behaving like they are is fruitless.
Who cares what patreon wants fools to think to get them to pay? Hotels call their patrons guests.
Patreon creators get payed and pay taxes, patrons pay to get a product. Seems pretty simple if you're not retarded.
You may or may not be retarded, but the world doesn't turn around what you want. It turns around the terms of service (
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).An excerpt (highlights are mine):
- A creator is someone who creates a page on Patreon to engage with patrons who purchase memberships or offerings on Patreon to support the creator’s creations.
- A patron is someone who subscribes and/or makes a purchase on Patreon, which may come with special benefits from creators they love. Through a subscription or offering on Patreon, patrons may receive benefits and directly interact with creators using tools supplied by us, and, through Patreon, have the opportunity to engage with a community of patrons and creators.
It's up to you to decide if it's worth the money. But your expectations may not coincide with reality. And reality is: Patreon is creator-centric, not patron-centric.
Oh if only you were able to understand irony.
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Have you tried looking in a dictionary?
Customer is one of the definitions of patron but it's not the primary one nor would that definition even fucking work as patreon is not an establishment and you are instead funding a particular person.
As a patron you still have the right to ask them for things or changes and they have a right to say no which in turn you stop supporting them.
The creator has to walk a tight rope between what they want, want the promised, and what the patrons want.
In this case it's a small femdom scene which only bothers a tiny fraction of patrons and also doesn't go against the vanilla romance harem game.
It's not like they are enslaving you and putting you in chastity and then proceed to peg you.
EDIT: I also have been patrons to devs who have then changed their mind and just cancelled a game or decided to make massive changes to what they were fine with adding which I then stopped giving them money asap.