grumpyoldcat

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Right but like I said before, hiring a coder would come with a lot of legal requirements that a lot of people might not even know about. Like for example, he hires a coder whose working on the project, has some sort of accident in their own house, (say their chair snaps and they fall and hit their head), because they were on the clock working on this game, cyan would then be liable for (I think it's called) workers comp and health insurance etc.
I'm not making this up, employing someone especially for a long-term project like this makes them liable for a lot of things like that. Once you hire someone that makes you an employer, meaning you have to declare, pay insurance, pension etc. Like if they ever check his income through patreon, see he was paying someone out of it but not declaring it then they can get a fine. Source: I did a business startup class for almost 2 years.

Yes, it could speed things up MASSIVELY, but unless you're planning on setting up a full fledged indie studio there's WAY too many restrictions and red tape in the way of things. Plus there's the fact that cyan likely has a family and life outside of the project and doesn't need the extra hassle going into it. Plus it wouldn't necessarily speed things up if you have to bring in too many people, like take dark cookie from summertime saga, the guy (allegedly) has about 5 people on the team and yet updates are coming every couple years at this point
Today we learned that the loudest complainers probably don't know a lick about business... :cool:
 
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Goblincore

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Today we learned that the loudest complainers probably don't know a lick about business... :cool:
In all honesty I know very little about running a business myself, I just know the ins and outs of setting up a startup.
And tbf I would've had no idea about any of that a couple years ago
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y33tthem34t

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Mar 26, 2019
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This makes me so fucking mad for the Ravager developer/team lmao, so many people working on that game, so much more content currently and while slow still faster than this, overall better game in my opinion as well, and they're doing that shit for $1000 a month on patreon while this foo getting $15k a month for one update per 9 months like AAAAGGGHHHH

Not doing any subscription shit myself but did buy ravager on steam. Mfs who do subscribe to shit though need to check themselves lmao. Bro's getting enough money and clearly giving him more isn't speeding up development. If that was me I'd be grinding out my soul 8 hours a day every day minimum on this shit on the principal of people giving me a 6 figure income from patreon lmao. No one should go 'oh poor baby writers block, burn out, etc.' when someone is getting the utter bag like that, hire people or get your ass in gear. If anybody says some shit along the lines of 'nobody has to donate, it's a choice and dev has no obligation to blah blah blah etc.' I'm literally gonna emerge from your monitor and go the ring on your ass I swear to god.
 

joblo9394

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Jul 4, 2017
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Cyancapsule was an artist long before becoming a dev, and there patron was there long before the game was even made. While some are of cores are subbing to play the game the game is not even the highest rearward level.

Supporting me at 3$ immediately grants you access to all my previously finished art and the latest build of my VN project "My Pig Princess"
in my feed, as well as any new art I post throughout the month you pledged in!
Most art will be free to the public eventually! Pledging just gives you early access! The game will not be completely free when finished, but some early builds will!


Supporting me at 6$ grants you access to my PSDs, sketches & studies!
At least two PSDs and 10+ sketch files per paid update. Often more!
These files will be sent at the very END of the month youve been charged for!


Receiving Patreon Rewards!
At the very end of the month 6$+ patrons recieve a Private Message here on Patreon with links to the PSDs/Sketches!
If you're supporting at 6$ and choose to delete your pledge mid-month after being charged at the start of the month, you will still recieve all the PSDs/Sketches at the end since you payed for the whole month!
Even in the wording the game is a small aspect of the creators focus. There art is the main aspect. They are an artist first game dev second.

The only timetables, and promises are the amount of art they release monthly.

As for when should funds go to improving development time? How much of those funds are generated by the game, and not the art?

Cyancapsule is offering two things Early access, and exclusive WIP's. The game fits into the second. There are none of the usual "suport development","xx will happen with more funds", or "with xx amount I can work faster"


As long as they make the promised amount of art, and the game is eventually finished. They have fulfilled there side. The amount of patrions has nothing to do with it.
 

g6107419

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Nov 25, 2018
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Right but like I said before, hiring a coder would come with a lot of legal requirements that a lot of people might not even know about. Like for example, he hires a coder whose working on the project, has some sort of accident in their own house, (say their chair snaps and they fall and hit their head), because they were on the clock working on this game, cyan would then be liable for (I think it's called) workers comp and health insurance etc.
I'm not making this up, employing someone especially for a long-term project like this makes them liable for a lot of things like that. Once you hire someone that makes you an employer, meaning you have to declare, pay insurance, pension etc. Like if they ever check his income through patreon, see he was paying someone out of it but not declaring it then they can get a fine. Source: I did a business startup class for almost 2 years.

Yes, it could speed things up MASSIVELY, but unless you're planning on setting up a full fledged indie studio there's WAY too many restrictions and red tape in the way of things. Plus there's the fact that cyan likely has a family and life outside of the project and doesn't need the extra hassle going into it. Plus it wouldn't necessarily speed things up if you have to bring in too many people, like take dark cookie from summertime saga, the guy (allegedly) has about 5 people on the team and yet updates are coming every couple years at this point
Is this exactly you hire via freelancer?
 

Goblincore

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Dec 13, 2022
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Is this exactly you hire via freelancer?
Yeah apparently. You can employ someone for an hour but you technically still need to declare it, my tutor said she was helping someone in the family out with their business, who didn't declare it, and got fined 8k
It's absolutely ridiculous but it's that black and white apparently
 
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labmouseblues

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Dec 22, 2020
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Is this exactly you hire via freelancer?
It can be, but it doesn't have to. There are plenty of ways you can contract someone without taking on any obligations or liabilities, other than actually paying them for their work.

It's more likely Cyan either doesn't want to spend money, or doesn't want their identity exposed to a third party via contracting.
 

hisbiltus

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May 31, 2023
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Holy that Bronwen scene was hot as hell. But thats it after 9 months? Maybe 5 minutes of content? I fucking love this game but ain't no way, I'll be dead before this finishes.
 
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sbz7

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Dec 9, 2017
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I really like this Game but too bad all the Devs of good Games seemingly don't give a fuck after being showered on Patreon...

Ppl need to stop paying that much money when you don't get anything in return
 

Nepurin

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Jan 14, 2019
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Honestly, a lot of you guys seem to be hurt by how random people on the internet spend their money. I don't know if any of you did a project on your own, it takes a shitload of time to do the smallest things and Cyancapsule is an artist, not a video game developer. People like the product and want to support the creator, there are no promises on anything on the Patreon. Also, as far as I can tell most people that complain about slow progress are not even the ones paying for the game.
 

RagnaRestig

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Dec 20, 2017
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Im definitely not a fan of furry, but had to admit, this game is really refreshing, the princess is really cute and the art style overall is fucking amazing. Being trapped in a time were a lot of AI art generated games flood the community like a cesspool, it is great that there are some developers out there that are doing amazing art like this, and the sugar on the cream is that the story is actually good and entertaining, something usually rare in a hentai game.

Definitely waiting impatiently for the next update!
 

NiKiller88

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Jul 5, 2023
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When the FUCK is this game coming to Steam? I would buy it so hard even in its current state. And I won't do it on patreon, I need this game in my steam library.

But it seems the dev doesn't really care about putting it on steam. Which is a massive shame, this is a high quality product and it should be on real selling platforms.
 
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