Others NekoNTR [v0.0.11b] [nekoaddict]

[Drift20]

NTS happens after Darren stuff so NTR is unavoidable - I don't really want to cater to pure NTS fans.. there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that

Refreshing to hear that It's not going to just be "Oh, you cheated on me and this is okay cause I'm suddenly into being a cuck for your sake."
Multiple things can be true at the same time:
- Vanilla feeling terrible about cheating on MC.
- Even if she feels terrible, she has needs that need to be met that aren't and she can recognize that and start to reassess her intimacy with MC.
- The more she goes down the rabbit hole and her friends influence her she can come to the conclusion "Yeah, I love MC but, the sex just aint it chief" and when MC does find out about it and "THE CONVERSATION" we all know is coming actually comes...I see it going in two directions. Either A. Vanilla cries and apologies and follows the typical NTR/NTS route where they hope their partner forgives them and lets them continue their outside the relationship fuckery wile the MC is just a typical cuck. On the other hand there's B. Where Vanilla Recognizes she truly loves MC as a partner but, has to give him the ultimatum that if they're going to be together she's going to have to throw the - "I love you, I still want to be with you but, for that to happen I need to go outside the relationship to have my needs met"
- When she does decide to have the relationship continue (which you've said you want and not just have her be super corrupt) with her scatter brain it would make sense that she say's it's still okay for MC and her to be intimate but, just in a different capacity. Like having MC warming her up with his mouth before she goes out to get dicked by someone else. It would fit the story so far to where she's very clueless as to how her actions affect those around her, there's still somewhat of a happy ending for the MC being able to hold onto some semblance of a relationship with her to where he can make her feel good and, it stays loyal to the interactions so far in the story where Vanilla has already confirmed "Yeah, even my toys feel better than you"

Not sure what direction the story will go in from here but, as fucked as it sounds I kinda want MC to be extremely anxious about all the fucking she's been doing behind his back when he does find out. Not giddy with butterflies like most games where MC is just completely content with being a cuck and loves the shit.

Just my 2cents.

 

[Thelegit52]

Refreshing to hear that It's not going to just be "Oh, you cheated on me and this is okay cause I'm suddenly into being a cuck for your sake."
Multiple things can be true at the same time:
- Vanilla feeling terrible about cheating on MC.
- Even if she feels terrible, she has needs that need to be met that aren't and she can recognize that and start to reassess her intimacy with MC.
- The more she goes down the rabbit hole and her friends influence her she can come to the conclusion "Yeah, I love MC but, the sex just aint it chief" and when MC does find out about it and "THE CONVERSATION" we all know is coming actually comes...I see it going in two directions. Either A. Vanilla cries and apologies and follows the typical NTR/NTS route where they hope their partner forgives them and lets them continue their outside the relationship fuckery wile the MC is just a typical cuck. On the other hand there's B. Where Vanilla Recognizes she truly loves MC as a partner but, has to give him the ultimatum that if they're going to be together she's going to have to throw the - "I love you, I still want to be with you but, for that to happen I need to go outside the relationship to have my needs met"
- When she does decide to have the relationship continue (which you've said you want and not just have her be super corrupt) with her scatter brain it would make sense that she say's it's still okay for MC and her to be intimate but, just in a different capacity. Like having MC warming her up with his mouth before she goes out to get dicked by someone else. It would fit the story so far to where she's very clueless as to how her actions affect those around her, there's still somewhat of a happy ending for the MC being able to hold onto some semblance of a relationship with her to where he can make her feel good and, it stays loyal to the interactions so far in the story where Vanilla has already confirmed "Yeah, even my toys feel better than you"

Not sure what direction the story will go in from here but, as fucked as it sounds I kinda want MC to be extremely anxious about all the fucking she's been doing behind his back when he does find out. Not giddy with butterflies like most games where MC is just completely content with being a cuck and loves the shit.

Just my 2cents.

The diary update is my favorite update so far because it does confirm Vanilla feels bad, but she also loves the MC, yeah she is cheating on him, but she never forgets about him, in the last update she was about to confess that she is doing Onlyfyans, she really wants to tell him the truth, but she doesn't know how to approach it.
Now that she has the money and got the distance, if she doesn't like him, she has no reason to meet him again or to talk to him, but she is always talking about how much she loves and misses him and wants to meet him again, even though it is twisted and could be unfair to the MC, the MC have had dreams and thoughts about her doing it with other men, implying he wouldn't exactly hate it, but he doesn't know how to feel about it either.

I've been been on this website for years, been playing all sorts of games across all genres, was here when big games started and ended, but i never bothered enough to type or share my thoughts until I played this game, i really don't know what is so special about it, but i love the characters and how the dev is approaching their story, I hope the dev keeps doing what they want in the story, because i really do believe it will be great in the end.

 

[Raferu]

I don't want to attack you, if this was supposed to be well meaning criticism or something... But quoting the dev, then hanging on a part of what he said comes off as rude.

1. He litreally says in the quoted text that it's what he wants, so your solution ''just say what you want''... falls flat.
2. He never made a size comparison between the volume of NTR and NTS content, you just concluded that was the implication.

I didn't mean to come across as rude, but it's exasperating wanting a NTS game and a dev saying there are already thousands of NTS games out there when we basically get one decent NTS for every 100 or so NTR games. Don't get me wrong, I still like this game, and support the choice the dev made. It's just that this game had the potential to have a really great NTS path. I know nekoaddict has what it takes to pull it off. Once again, I apologize if I was rude.

 

[manXone]

I literally stated twice that NTS would appear fully at 0.0.9.

Sorry dude, i had tryed to read all comments but lost my mind on them at some point :'D

 

[manXone]

Sorry One question, i don't Remember It creampie has already happened, anyone know for sure?

 

[Thelegit52]

Sorry One question, i don't Remember It creampie has already happened, anyone know for sure?

Vanilla has not had sex with anyone else yet, she gave a blowjob to Darren though.
Although she did have sex in the MC's dreams, but nothing real yet

 

[Deathcat]

I don't want to attack you, if this was supposed to be well meaning criticism or something... But quoting the dev, then hanging on a part of what he said comes off as rude.

1. He litreally says in the quoted text that it's what he wants, so your solution ''just say what you want''... falls flat.
2. He never made a size comparison between the volume of NTR and NTS content, you just concluded that was the implication.

The implication is that "I don't really want to cater to pure NTS fans (because) there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that (and there are not thousands of NTR games)" That is what Neko is saying with their comment, that they don't want to do pure NTS because their is an abundance of NTS already which...simply isn't true.


It hardly matters why, exactly, the dev doesn't want to do pure NTS, it's their game and they can do whatever. But this is a sentiment I've seen from seen from several of devs 'I don't want to do NTS because there's so many already.' And...I just feel like I'm being gaslit or something because, WHERE? Where are these 'thousands' of NTS games? Hell I'm pretty sure I can count the number I've played on both hands. Am I just blind? I mean, it can be challenging to search for them as nowhere has proper tags to separate NTS/Netori/NTR everything is grouped under NTR or worse yet just 'cheating.' If that doesn't tell you that NTR is more widely available idk what does.


Again, it's the devs game and I'm not demanding changes but it's incredibly frustrating to hear so many devs saying they aren't focusing on NTS explicitly because, and I am quoting here, 'there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that' when it's the opposite, the hard NTR games are endless and the pure NTS games are rare gems. The doujin thing could be true though...I don't read many these days so I don't know, haha.


No hate to you nekoaddict, love what you're doing, I just don't agree with that statement. Keep doing what you're doing❤

 

[nekoaddict]

The implication is that "I don't really want to cater to pure NTS fans (because) there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that (and there are not thousands of NTR games)" That is what Neko is saying with their comment, that they don't want to do pure NTS because their is an abundance of NTS already which...simply isn't true.


It hardly matters why, exactly, the dev doesn't want to do pure NTS, it's their game and they can do whatever. But this is a sentiment I've seen from seen from several of devs 'I don't want to do NTS because there's so many already.' And...I just feel like I'm being gaslit or something because, WHERE? Where are these 'thousands' of NTS games? Hell I'm pretty sure I can count the number I've played on both hands. Am I just blind? I mean, it can be challenging to search for them as nowhere has proper tags to separate NTS/Netori/NTR everything is grouped under NTR or worse yet just 'cheating.' If that doesn't tell you that NTR is more widely available idk what does.


Again, it's the devs game and I'm not demanding changes but it's incredibly frustrating to hear so many devs saying they aren't focusing on NTS explicitly because, and I am quoting here, 'there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that' when it's the opposite, the hard NTR games are endless and the pure NTS games are rare gems. The doujin thing could be true though...I don't read many these days so I don't know, haha.


No hate to you nekoaddict, love what you're doing, I just don't agree with that statement. Keep doing what you're doing❤

...this is why I just shouldn't type things on here v.v

I meant that between 'pure' NTS and the NTS I'm going for (NTS mingled in with a bit of NTR) there's already a lot of NTS games where the BF is just like 'yes gf please cheat on me' > "yes mister bf i will gladly cheat on you" and that's the whole story

I haven't seen many NTS games with NTR involved in their stories (other than in completely separate routes with 0 NTR) - usually there's a hard line between NTR/NTS and nobody dares to cross or blur that line so that's what I'm going for ('nobody' is hyperbole I'm sure there's games and stories that do it as well I just haven't seen or played them).

Nowhere in my comment did I mention NTR or compare NTR to NTS... you filled in those blanks on your own - and 'thousands' was obviously just hyperbole I wasn't quoting any exact statistics or something. My point is really just that I won't bend my vision of the game to cater to fans of pure NTS when that's not what I want to do. My comment didn't have anything to do with NTR

 

[N1rox98]

...this is why I just shouldn't type things on here v.v

I meant that between 'pure' NTS and the NTS I'm going for (NTS mingled in with a bit of NTR) there's already a lot of NTS games where the BF is just like 'yes gf please cheat on me' > "yes mister bf i will gladly cheat on you" and that's the whole story

I haven't seen many NTS games with NTR involved in their stories (other than in completely separate routes with 0 NTR) - usually there's a hard line between NTR/NTS and nobody dares to cross or blur that line so that's what I'm going for ('nobody' is hyperbole I'm sure there's games and stories that do it as well I just haven't seen or played them).

Nowhere in my comment did I mention NTR or compare NTR to NTS... you filled in those blanks on your own - and 'thousands' was obviously just hyperbole I wasn't quoting any exact statistics or something. My point is really just that I won't bend my vision of the game to cater to fans of pure NTS when that's not what I want to do. My comment didn't have anything to do with NTR

Wanted to post this myself, when I noticed the fuss here. It's so funny how people tend to find every possible meaning behind the words to feel insulted or start the drama, which will not end even when the point of complaining would be lost in all posts. Be more understanding, guys (like those MC's in NTS XD), many things in life would be much easier this way.

 

[Kekekerkek]

The implication is that "I don't really want to cater to pure NTS fans (because) there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that (and there are not thousands of NTR games)" That is what Neko is saying with their comment, that they don't want to do pure NTS because their is an abundance of NTS already which...simply isn't true.


It hardly matters why, exactly, the dev doesn't want to do pure NTS, it's their game and they can do whatever. But this is a sentiment I've seen from seen from several of devs 'I don't want to do NTS because there's so many already.' And...I just feel like I'm being gaslit or something because, WHERE? Where are these 'thousands' of NTS games? Hell I'm pretty sure I can count the number I've played on both hands. Am I just blind? I mean, it can be challenging to search for them as nowhere has proper tags to separate NTS/Netori/NTR everything is grouped under NTR or worse yet just 'cheating.' If that doesn't tell you that NTR is more widely available idk what does.


Again, it's the devs game and I'm not demanding changes but it's incredibly frustrating to hear so many devs saying they aren't focusing on NTS explicitly because, and I am quoting here, 'there are already a thousand games and thousands more doujins for that' when it's the opposite, the hard NTR games are endless and the pure NTS games are rare gems. The doujin thing could be true though...I don't read many these days so I don't know, haha.


No hate to you nekoaddict, love what you're doing, I just don't agree with that statement. Keep doing what you're doing❤

yeah i agree i'm kinda bummed we won't start a "pure" nts like we though but hey.. it's better than nothing.

 

[Kekekerkek]

...this is why I just shouldn't type things on here v.v

I meant that between 'pure' NTS and the NTS I'm going for (NTS mingled in with a bit of NTR) there's already a lot of NTS games where the BF is just like 'yes gf please cheat on me' > "yes mister bf i will gladly cheat on you" and that's the whole story

I haven't seen many NTS games with NTR involved in their stories (other than in completely separate routes with 0 NTR) - usually there's a hard line between NTR/NTS and nobody dares to cross or blur that line so that's what I'm going for ('nobody' is hyperbole I'm sure there's games and stories that do it as well I just haven't seen or played them).

Nowhere in my comment did I mention NTR or compare NTR to NTS... you filled in those blanks on your own - and 'thousands' was obviously just hyperbole I wasn't quoting any exact statistics or something. My point is really just that I won't bend my vision of the game to cater to fans of pure NTS when that's not what I want to do. My comment didn't have anything to do with NTR

i feel like there is not a lot of game that do this because in the end it just become netorare and the whole "netorase" thing is always left behind, it's really hard to not make it feel like NTR to a NTS audience when half the scene will be her basically cheating anyway, so usually the NTS audience is not really happy and the NTR audience isn't happy too because the dev/artist lost time working on some NTS instead of going full NTR, i don't know what you will do but maybe you can be one of the few who can pull it off

 

[Deathcat]

i feel like there is not a lot of game that do this because in the end it just become netorare and the whole "netorase" thing is always left behind, it's really hard to not make it feel like NTR to a NTS audience when half the scene will be her basically cheating anyway, so usually the NTS audience is not really happy and the NTR audience isn't happy too because the dev/artist lost time working on some NTS instead of going full NTR, i don't know what you will do but maybe you can be one of the few who can pull it off

I don't think I'll say much more on this as I don't want a fight to break out, but this is pretty much how I feel. Even in games where the MC gives the FMC permission to cheat, the FMC is usually still disregarding what the MC says and pushes more boundaries without telling the MC first. Just because consent has been given doesn't mean everything is permitted as many NTS games tend to do. The MC should be consulted before new elements are introduced and the MC should be the FMCs top priority.
I play lots of NTR games and that seems to be the general path, eventually MC gets left behind regardless of if explicit consent has been given or not.

But hey, if anyone has any recommendations of pure NTS games, where both parties are fully involved, send them my way! I'm dying for a NTS game that's respectful to both characters and not trying to degrade the MC.

 

[Kekekerkek]

I don't think I'll say much more on this as I don't want a fight to break out, but this is pretty much how I feel. Even in games where the MC gives the FMC permission to cheat, the FMC is usually still disregarding what the MC says and pushes more boundaries without telling the MC first. Just because consent has been given doesn't mean everything is permitted as many NTS games tend to do. The MC should be consulted before new elements are introduced and the MC should be the FMCs top priority.
I play lots of NTR games and that seems to be the general path, eventually MC gets left behind regardless of if explicit consent has been given or not.

But hey, if anyone has any recommendations of pure NTS games, where both parties are fully involved, send them my way! I'm dying for a NTS game that's respectful to both characters and not trying to degrade the MC.

"I play lots of NTR games and that seems to be the general path, eventually MC gets left behind regardless of if explicit consent has been given or not." i agree and even for doujinshi it's like 80% of the time like this

I'd say some other phone game have path where it's full nts like ntr phone and my ntr girlfriend but for visual novels i'd say vulgar reverie and blurring the walls that's all i can think of rn

 

[Htoon]

The dev is writing a story, they have an idea what they want it to be about. And it's probably fine to voice your opinion, especially if it's requested. But say...

Imagine if you were making something, anything you want, let's take painting as an easy example.
So you're painting in the open with numerous other people also painting, and strangers would keep walking up to you, admiring your painting, but then say ''This colour though, everyone else uses the same colour, wouldn't you please change it to this other one that I prefer?''
It's probably fine if it happens once or twice, but would you be annoyed if it happened every 5 minutes?

Just a viewpoint, not trying to criticise anyone. Maybe it's good for the game if people keep commenting anyway.

 

[Kekekerkek]

the dev is writing a story, and they have an idea what they want it to be about. And it's probably fine to voice your opinion, especially if it's requested. But say...

Imagine if you were making something, anything you want, let's take painting as an easy example.
So you're painting in the open with numerous other people also painting, and strangers would keep walking up to you, admireing your painting, but then say ''this colour though, everyone else uses the same colour, wouldn't you please change it to this other one that I prefer?''
It's probably fine if it happens once or twice, but would you be annoyed if it happened every 5 minutes?

Just a viewpoint, not trying to criticise anyone. Maybe it's good for the game if people keep commenting anyway.

a good example would be more like "a paintor said he would do something but in the end do it in a different way than everyone was expecting to", listen i don't think we need to continue this discussion and as the others said we will support the dev because in the end it's a good porn ntr game but i think it's important to voice what we though should have been the netorase path and why we worry about what the dev want to do

 

[nekoaddict]

a good example would be more like "a paintor said he would do something but in the end do it in a different way than everyone was expecting to", listen i don't think we need to continue this discussion and as the others said we will support the dev because in the end it's a good porn ntr game but i think it's important to voice what we though should have been the netorase path and why we worry about what the dev want to do

Your idea of netorase isn't the end-all be-all definition of netorase - and in that regard 'in a different way than everyone was expecting' doesn't apply because unfortunately you are in the minority with your perspective. All of us, in some way, are in the minority with our perspectives - with different ways we want things to happen, with what we want characters to say or do (or not say or do).

For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly? My story is clearly a slow(ish)-burn corruption story, and I can't envision that with the purest of the pure NTS. I wouldn't be able to do all the emotion-filled twists and turns I can by dancing between NTR and NTS. NTR and NTS have so many sub-genres and different ways of being explored that I kind of hate the fact that we have those terms at all. Horror is a genre, and yet.. it is a hugely deep topic with countless different ways of being done in media and of course everyone (like NTR/NTS) has their own opinion on it...

I know the player is the 'main character', but from the beginning I've always written things and imagined the story thinking from Vanilla's perspective. It's not about the MC, it's about her. For me it's a corruption story of a cute girl unfortunately targeted by an expert manipulator - her head filled with brainworms day-in day-out until her entire way of thinking becomes compromised. NTR/NTS is a consequence of her ingrained feelings towards her boyfriend, exploring the struggle between that and her newfound increasingly-depraved hobbies. There will be an NTS route, and there already is a humiliation flag set in 0.0.8 that tones down the humiliation towards MC, but it will never be the pure NTS story you and a few others want simply because that's not the way I think about the story.

Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no? And generally that's coupled with sexual feelings of inadequacy and a lot of humiliation kinks - y'know, being a cuck. Sexually, she's done with you, but you still remain #1 in her heart - so the humiliation and asking her to cheat etc makes you feel that you're still involved in her sex life? This 'pure NTS' where you have the final say on everything and control every sexual act she does sounds more like swinging to me.

It would be an interesting discussion to continue - I can only really imagine myself in the shoes of Vanilla; my knowledge of the guy's perspective and thoughts about all this is primarily from playing games, reading doujins and talking to people.. so any additional perspectives to be more informed will always be a net positive (even if I don't really see the appeal in swinging/pure NTS)..... buuuuut definitely not on a forum thread

 

[KVNitoshi]

Your story is good and really like w

Your idea of netorase isn't the end-all be-all definition of netorase - and in that regard 'in a different way than everyone was expecting' doesn't apply because unfortunately you are in the minority with your perspective. All of us, in some way, are in the minority with our perspectives - with different ways we want things to happen, with what we want characters to say or do (or not say or do).

For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly? My story is clearly a slow(ish)-burn corruption story, and I can't envision that with the purest of the pure NTS. I wouldn't be able to do all the emotion-filled twists and turns I can by dancing between NTR and NTS. NTR and NTS have so many sub-genres and different ways of being explored that I kind of hate the fact that we have those terms at all. Horror is a genre, and yet.. it is a hugely deep topic with countless different ways of being done in media and of course everyone (like NTR/NTS) has their own opinion on it...

I know the player is the 'main character', but from the beginning I've always written things and imagined the story thinking from Vanilla's perspective. It's not about the MC, it's about her. For me it's a corruption story of a cute girl unfortunately targeted by an expert manipulator - her head filled with brainworms day-in day-out until her entire way of thinking becomes compromised. NTR/NTS is a consequence of her ingrained feelings towards her boyfriend, exploring the struggle between that and her newfound increasingly-depraved hobbies. There will be an NTS route, and there already is a humiliation flag set in 0.0.8 that tones down the humiliation towards MC, but it will never be the pure NTS story you and a few others want simply because that's not the way I think about the story.

Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no? And generally that's coupled with sexual feelings of inadequacy and a lot of humiliation kinks - y'know, being a cuck. Sexually, she's done with you, but you still remain #1 in her heart - so the humiliation and asking her to cheat etc makes you feel that you're still involved in her sex life? This 'pure NTS' where you have the final say on everything and control every sexual act she does sounds more like swinging to me.

It would be an interesting discussion to continue - I can only really imagine myself in the shoes of Vanilla; my knowledge of the guy's perspective and thoughts about all this is primarily from playing games, reading doujins and talking to people.. so any additional perspectives to be more informed will always be a net positive (even if I don't really see the appeal in swinging/pure NTS)..... buuuuut definitely not on a forum thread

I like what you are doing, I personally avoid ai image games, because they look samey and for some reason the writting is usually not good enough to cut the art time, but this game im waiting and looking everyday for advances wherever I can, sadly, right now i have no job so I cannot support until I can get a constant entry of money, but at least I can say that you are doing a great job! The way you are making this stpry as a slow burn corruption story is awesome, keep pushing the story you want to tell because is your game and is the story ypu want to tell!

 

[Kekekerkek]

Your idea of netorase isn't the end-all be-all definition of netorase - and in that regard 'in a different way than everyone was expecting' doesn't apply because unfortunately you are in the minority with your perspective. All of us, in some way, are in the minority with our perspectives - with different ways we want things to happen, with what we want characters to say or do (or not say or do).

For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly? My story is clearly a slow(ish)-burn corruption story, and I can't envision that with the purest of the pure NTS. I wouldn't be able to do all the emotion-filled twists and turns I can by dancing between NTR and NTS. NTR and NTS have so many sub-genres and different ways of being explored that I kind of hate the fact that we have those terms at all. Horror is a genre, and yet.. it is a hugely deep topic with countless different ways of being done in media and of course everyone (like NTR/NTS) has their own opinion on it...

I know the player is the 'main character', but from the beginning I've always written things and imagined the story thinking from Vanilla's perspective. It's not about the MC, it's about her. For me it's a corruption story of a cute girl unfortunately targeted by an expert manipulator - her head filled with brainworms day-in day-out until her entire way of thinking becomes compromised. NTR/NTS is a consequence of her ingrained feelings towards her boyfriend, exploring the struggle between that and her newfound increasingly-depraved hobbies. There will be an NTS route, and there already is a humiliation flag set in 0.0.8 that tones down the humiliation towards MC, but it will never be the pure NTS story you and a few others want simply because that's not the way I think about the story.

Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no? And generally that's coupled with sexual feelings of inadequacy and a lot of humiliation kinks - y'know, being a cuck. Sexually, she's done with you, but you still remain #1 in her heart - so the humiliation and asking her to cheat etc makes you feel that you're still involved in her sex life? This 'pure NTS' where you have the final say on everything and control every sexual act she does sounds more like swinging to me.

It would be an interesting discussion to continue - I can only really imagine myself in the shoes of Vanilla; my knowledge of the guy's perspective and thoughts about all this is primarily from playing games, reading doujins and talking to people.. so any additional perspectives to be more informed will always be a net positive (even if I don't really see the appeal in swinging/pure NTS)..... buuuuut definitely not on a forum thread

i'm sorry but you are wrong on that, i'm not in the minority(of the ones who like netorase) nor am i wrong with my definition that's just straight wrong
here is the definition of netorase:
A genre of sharing or cuckoldry pornography where a protagonist's love interest has sex with others, which the protagonist enjoys, actively encourages or even causes
it's not in the slightest talking about cheating or netorare, now if you wanted to talk about a subtype of netorase then you should have said so because i though it would have just been normal netorase(and it seems others though so too)

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?" i don't agree on this but that's subjective anyway, if you feel like it that's fine but imo it's possible to create an interesting and wholesome NTS route/story while keeping it interesting

now as i said it's your game so i'm not gonna talk about plot or whatever you want to put in it and it's definitly possible to pull off a good nts/ntr type of route BUT it's really hard to do without it feeling like a second NTR route and that's why it's worrying while doing a good NTS route is kinda more easy, now i agree NTS can be bland if it's done in a bad way but that's true for a lot of different things(including NTR), if you want my opinion in this i'd say you should flirt with ntr without it being completly ntr(on the nts route)

"Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no?" i mean you are right but since you said netorase we kinda assumed it would be basic netorase, nope i think you misunderstand netorase(at least the basic definition) it's basically a man that enjoy to share his gf/wife it's not about putting down your own pleasure, both takes pleasure in it and likes it

and btw i do like your game and if you want to talk in private about this theme or something i'm up for it

 

[GammaReborn]

I do believe that Neko can do whatever he wants with his game, and I do agree with a lot of the points said here, but...

Your idea of netorase isn't the end-all be-all definition of netorase - and in that regard 'in a different way than everyone was expecting' doesn't apply because unfortunately you are in the minority with your perspective. All of us, in some way, are in the minority with our perspectives - with different ways we want things to happen, with what we want characters to say or do (or not say or do).

For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly? My story is clearly a slow(ish)-burn corruption story, and I can't envision that with the purest of the pure NTS. I wouldn't be able to do all the emotion-filled twists and turns I can by dancing between NTR and NTS. NTR and NTS have so many sub-genres and different ways of being explored that I kind of hate the fact that we have those terms at all. Horror is a genre, and yet.. it is a hugely deep topic with countless different ways of being done in media and of course everyone (like NTR/NTS) has their own opinion on it...

I know the player is the 'main character', but from the beginning I've always written things and imagined the story thinking from Vanilla's perspective. It's not about the MC, it's about her. For me it's a corruption story of a cute girl unfortunately targeted by an expert manipulator - her head filled with brainworms day-in day-out until her entire way of thinking becomes compromised. NTR/NTS is a consequence of her ingrained feelings towards her boyfriend, exploring the struggle between that and her newfound increasingly-depraved hobbies. There will be an NTS route, and there already is a humiliation flag set in 0.0.8 that tones down the humiliation towards MC, but it will never be the pure NTS story you and a few others want simply because that's not the way I think about the story.

Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no? And generally that's coupled with sexual feelings of inadequacy and a lot of humiliation kinks - y'know, being a cuck. Sexually, she's done with you, but you still remain #1 in her heart - so the humiliation and asking her to cheat etc makes you feel that you're still involved in her sex life? This 'pure NTS' where you have the final say on everything and control every sexual act she does sounds more like swinging to me.

It would be an interesting discussion to continue - I can only really imagine myself in the shoes of Vanilla; my knowledge of the guy's perspective and thoughts about all this is primarily from playing games, reading doujins and talking to people.. so any additional perspectives to be more informed will always be a net positive (even if I don't really see the appeal in swinging/pure NTS)..... buuuuut definitely not on a forum thread

i'm sorry but you are wrong on that, i'm not in the minority(of the ones who like netorase) nor am i wrong with my definition that's just straight wrong
here is the definition of netorase:
A genre of sharing or cuckoldry pornography where a protagonist's love interest has sex with others, which the protagonist enjoys, actively encourages or even causes
it's not in the slightest talking about cheating or netorare, now if you wanted to talk about a subtype of netorase then you should have said so because i though it would have just been normal netorase(and it seems others though so too)

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?" i don't agree on this but that's subjective anyway, if you feel like it that's fine but imo it's possible to create an interesting and wholesome NTS route/story while keeping it interesting

now as i said it's your game so i'm not gonna talk about plot or whatever you want to put in it and it's definitly possible to pull off a good nts/ntr type of route BUT it's really hard to do without it feeling like a second NTR route and that's why it's worrying while doing a good NTS route is kinda more easy, now i agree NTS can be bland if it's done in a bad way but that's true for a lot of different things(including NTR), if you want my opinion in this i'd say you should flirt with nts without it being completly ntr

"Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no?" i mean you are right but since you said netorase we kinda assumed it would be basic netorase, nope i think you misunderstand netorase(at least the basic definition) it's basically a man that enjoy to share his gf/wife it's not about putting down your own pleasure, both takes pleasure in it and likes it

and btw i do like your game and if you want to talk in private about this theme or something i'm up for it

I also thought when you said there would be an NTS route, that it would be similar to the way Keke said, since thats what most NTS are like, not that there aren't sub-parts of it like you said, but you said an NTS route, and thats the expectation. You didn't say it would not be the same NTS as most other NTS route games, but just said there would be an NTS route. Though its your game so if you want to do something different from normal NTS, then don't let anyone stop you, but thanks for the clarification now at least.

 

[nekoaddict]

i'm sorry but you are wrong on that, i'm not in the minority(of the ones who like netorase) nor am i wrong with my definition that's just straight wrong
here is the definition of netorase:
A genre of sharing or cuckoldry pornography where a protagonist's love interest has sex with others, which the protagonist enjoys, actively encourages or even causes
it's not in the slightest talking about cheating or netorare, now if you wanted to talk about a subtype of netorase then you should have said so because i though it would have just been normal netorase(and it seems others though so too)

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?" i don't agree on this but that's subjective anyway, if you feel like it that's fine but imo it's possible to create an interesting and wholesome NTS route/story while keeping it interesting

now as i said it's your game so i'm not gonna talk about plot or whatever you want to put in it and it's definitly possible to pull off a good nts/ntr type of route BUT it's really hard to do without it feeling like a second NTR route and that's why it's worrying while doing a good NTS route is kinda more easy, now i agree NTS can be bland if it's done in a bad way but that's true for a lot of different things(including NTR), if you want my opinion in this i'd say you should flirt with nts without it being completly ntr

"Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no?" i mean you are right but since you said netorase we kinda assumed it would be basic netorase, nope i think you misunderstand netorase(at least the basic definition) it's basically a man that enjoy to share his gf/wife it's not about putting down your own pleasure, both takes pleasure in it and likes it

and btw i do like your game and if you want to talk in private about this theme or something i'm up for it

1) I don't think wikipedia is a good defining source for kink definitions
2) The definition you've referenced to outright say that 'I'm wrong' makes no sense because nowhere in your definition does it explicitly define what the girl is or isn't allowed to do, or what the MC's role in the relationship is. I'm not sure how what you've taken away from that definition is 'The MC is the almighty controller of the girl's sex life and while she has permission to be with other people she is not allowed to do anything without the MC's go-ahead and knowledge of said thing'?

'Netorase' is a broad, ill-defined term that encompasses many sub-definitions (including yours, and including mine) so it's not fair to say I've made my game wrong just because we prefer different things.