Harem4life

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No, it wasn't her fault. She acted through her new nature. This kill is up to MC. His, and Dalen's, who didn't stopped him and even gave his blood.
It's not her fault but it was shown that she can control herself because she stopped just before sucking MC but didn't hesitate before killing that girl so I don't feel like she's completely innocent.

Also she knew what's at stake here. She was told in detail the outcomes of becoming a vampire. She knew that she will be thirsty for blood and she still decided to become a vampire. Who's to blame here? She's an adult and she made her own decision. The moment she drank the blood she acknowledged and accepted the fact that she will become a murderer of countless lives.
 

Dessolos

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It's not her fault but it was shown that she can control herself because she stopped just before sucking MC but didn't hesitate before killing that girl so I don't feel like she's completely innocent.
I saw that as she was barley even able to control herself and was only able to do so because of her love for the MC. That and I do think she does still feel bad and guilty about the whole thing. Just the game didn't do a good job of showing that which is why I still care and feel bad for Eliza. but hey that's what makes AVN's great we all can interpret a single scene differently.
 

Avaron1974

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People seem to forget the MC also has a route where he is a sadistic killer.

One choice has him murder an innocent just to get back at another person. That wasn't him "losing control" that was him making a point which is far worse than a brief loss of all reason.
 

indio68

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i must say that the look of the first vampire deity not match the look of all the others chaacter...is to much cartoonish...don't know why dev give her such cartoon look really...could be a wonderful vampiress...not this...ugh
 

indio68

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I enjoy single LI games set in a fantastic medieval era. However, it seems like this game might deviate towards a harem route. I hope the developer avoids the common tendency of introducing new characters just because they've come up with a new character design idea, as many game developers often do. It would be better if the game doesn't get stuck in that swamp.
yea dev better change trh cartoon look of the first vasmpire deity instead of adsding other girls..but i'm fine with harem route..i hope it will be one..but pls change the look of that ugly deity ffs..it doesn't match the look of the game at all
 

Tremonia

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People seem to forget the MC also has a route where he is a sadistic killer.
So what? I'm not on that route and MC is still the pure evil bastard who forces an innocent woman to turn into a monster. This game has two dark paths. Taron was right straight from the beginning.
 
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gold_finger

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i might not have read the whole thing in the chapter prior to this, but was there an option that made eliza drink our blood instead or not? i just think that with mc being a nephilim, it could've somehow at least suppress eliza's vampire side a little bit? i mean it's just my theory but idk anymore man. it's just the further the game gets, the more shallow the writing is. at least that's how i'm feeling abt the game. i mean yeah it's got more characters but idk, just don't mind me
 
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Ennoch

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I do have one question to the developer. For me this is important.

Is this the kind of Light vs Dark path where the Dark path while possible just chastises the player left and right for being evil , pushing a moral agenda upon the route? Or is the Dark part actually viable? As per Romance is Light path only? Is the Dark path actually a layered experience.
 

harem.king

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I don't particularly care that the waifu killed a rando nameless person.
My concerns are larger scale. Is she now an undead monstrosity that is inimical to life?
Is she safe for the rest of the family to be around?
Was this decision practical and intelligent?
 
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Nezron

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I like the game, but the developer has ruined one of the best girls out of any VN... Eliza. Having her become what she is now... well just ruined her. I do like Onyx however, that was pretty cool. But for me, my interest in this game has always been Eliza 100%, now my interest in the game is about 30%. I probably will not download the game for a while, maybe 5 or 6 updates, then will try it again and see if Eliza has been fixed...

Anyway, just my opinion. peace
 

Dessolos

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I like the game, but the developer has ruined one of the best girls out of any VN... Eliza. Having her become what she is now... well just ruined her. I do like Onyx however, that was pretty cool. But for me, my interest in this game has always been Eliza 100%, now my interest in the game is about 30%. I probably will not download the game for a while, maybe 5 or 6 updates, then will try it again and see if Eliza has been fixed...

Anyway, just my opinion. peace
I can understand that hell I still feel it to a small extent, still even tho ive mostly accepted it. But this update did kind of get rid of 1 major concerns or worry I had for Eliza's character. I was a bit worried her personality will be ruined as well. Cause her personality is what makes the character for me and I can accept her vampire side if her personality stays intact. While it may still change later and id hate it if it does, for now i'm glad I don't have to worry about that aspect of her character. Now my worry has shifted to if she can control her self and no be a bloodthirsty vampire that kills non stop.
 

rspkers

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Here inb4 dev sees the backlash to completely screwing up the main LI, and MC wakes up in a "It was all just a dream" meme in the next update. :Kappa:
 

Dessolos

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Here inb4 dev sees the backlash to completely screwing up the main LI, and MC wakes up in a "It was all just a dream" meme in the next update. :Kappa:
I really hope he doesn't retcon it cause of the backlash and just owns it. I always prefer it when dev stick to their original vision. Even tho my initial reaction to Vampire Eliza is no just no, I can see myself liking it down the road if done correctly. Not gonna lie after seeing Vampire Eliza the fangs or w/e does make her seem a bit hotter to me haha. Plus I can imagine them as a duo making for some fun and amazing scenes later on.
 

ImSenjou

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What a disappointment, Eliza was the only LI I was interested in, now there are none left, it's ridiculous to change Eliza's character in the middle of the story, and for the MC to pressure her to turn into a monster, when he and her father, hunted these monsters, it was very cruel.

She was living a happy life even though she couldn't walk, the MC pressured her to become a monster, now the happy life is over, the two will be hunted forever, and they will massacre many on the way; or the MC will abandon her, that's what I'll have to do if I want to keep playing.

I've lost interest, I don't have a second LI on my list, they're all terrible, I don't know if I'll test the next update.
 

Dessolos

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What a disappointment, Eliza was the only LI I was interested in, now there are none left, it's ridiculous to change Eliza's character in the middle of the story, and for the MC to pressure her to turn into a monster, when he and her father, hunted these monsters, it was very cruel.

She was living a happy life even though she couldn't walk, the MC pressured her to become a monster, now the happy life is over, the two will be hunted forever, and they will massacre many on the way; or the MC will abandon her, that's what I'll have to do if I want to keep playing.

I've lost interest, I don't have a second LI on my list, they're all terrible, I don't know if I'll test the next update.
Alice is my second pick but she is lacking in the character development compared to Eliza. I personally have pretty mixed feeling about Eliza . Because as of right now her personality isn't changed yet so I can still accept her which was one of my main concerns. But now it's shifted to if she can control her vampire side. If she can then I think I can end up liking her more than before as long as her personality doesn't change. As I can see her having some fun scenes as a vampire. But yeah if she doesn't learn to control herself or her personality does change I think I might have to drop her a LI I want to be with and just keep playing the game to have fun as I still like it for the story and even then I might still like Eliza from time to time but yeah she will be alot lower on list for sure.
 

Canto Forte

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I really hope he doesn't retcon it cause of the backlash and just owns it. I always prefer it when dev stick to their original vision. Even tho my initial reaction to Vampire Eliza is no just no, I can see myself liking it down the road if done correctly. Not gonna lie after seeing Vampire Eliza the fangs or w/e does make her seem a bit hotter to me haha. Plus I can imagine them as a duo making for some fun and amazing scenes later on.
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I like the game, but the developer has ruined one of the best girls out of any VN... Eliza. Having her become what she is now... well just ruined her. I do like Onyx however, that was pretty cool. But for me, my interest in this game has always been Eliza 100%, now my interest in the game is about 30%. I probably will not download the game for a while, maybe 5 or 6 updates, then will try it again and see if Eliza has been fixed...

Anyway, just my opinion. peace
This game was killed by the Selena case. Any desire to continue was gone. I'm not even interested in reading these texts anymore. :sick:
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What a disappointment, Eliza was the only LI I was interested in, now there are none left, it's ridiculous to change Eliza's character in the middle of the story, and for the MC to pressure her to turn into a monster, when he and her father, hunted these monsters, it was very cruel.

She was living a happy life even though she couldn't walk, the MC pressured her to become a monster, now the happy life is over, the two will be hunted forever, and they will massacre many on the way; or the MC will abandon her, that's what I'll have to do if I want to keep playing.

I've lost interest, I don't have a second LI on my list, they're all terrible, I don't know if I'll test the next update.
This is MC even before he gets born .... way to see what he finds after getting home one day ...
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Digital Pimp

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Wow, there's a lot of alarmists and fairweather fans in here right now. Give Eliza a break. it's her first day, mistakes will be made. How long was a suitable whining period for that mistake, I forget... do you all not remember the emotional fallout at the training ground, and the underlying cause of both Eliza's rage and blood lust?

And while the MC was certainly negligent as a custodian to a degree, the true onus falls squarely on the shoulders and hard drive of the writer... give it some time before all this talk of abandoning ship and changing love interests, damn.
 

Dessolos

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Wow, there's a lot of alarmists and fairweather fans in here right now. Give Eliza a break. it's her first day, mistakes will be made. How long was a suitable whining period for that mistake, I forget... do you all not remember the emotional fallout at the training ground, and the underlying cause of both Eliza's rage and blood lust?

And while the MC was certainly negligent as a custodian to a degree, the true onus falls squarely on the shoulders and hard drive of the writer... give it some time before all this talk of abandoning ship and changing love interests, damn.
This right here is pretty much how I feel. Even tho I have mixed feelings about the change I don't believe in judging something at least in a story too quickly, as things can easily turn around. Tho this update did make me feel a tad better about the change still not fully on board. I admit I hated it alot more before this update.
 
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