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drifter139

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The guy who you steal the girl from gets NTR'd yes, but NTR tag usually doesn't apply to other people who are not MC.
that doesn't matter. the definition of it is when a person outside of a relationship steals someone who is in a separate relationship
 

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wouldn't NTR also be the MC stealing a girl from another guy?
The guy who you steal the girl from gets NTR'd yes, but NTR tag usually doesn't apply to other people who are not MC.
that doesn't matter. the definition of it is when a person outside of a relationship steals someone who is in a separate relationship
This is how F95 Defines it:

  • NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
Any other meaning is irrelevant to discussions of the tag on the site. "Stealing," isn't needed, it just needs to be a scene that if the average person saw something sexual happen involving someone they have a romantic interest in they would become jealous. Interest meaning it can even be before the relationship between MC and girl is official.

It is from the Mc's point of view, if the MC sleeps with someone else's girl that is classically Netori (one of many forms of NTR from the original Japanese), but the site tag used would be:

  • Cheating [A significant other having sex with someone other than their partner.]
If you would like to learn more aobut the site tags you can do so here: [READ ME] - Tags Rules And List [Updated 2021-05-02] | F95zone

I encourage all users and especially developers to get familiar with the way the site defines things instead of bringing in outside meanings and clouding the discussions of games by mixing meanings.
 

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But I don't even know why we started talking about NTR since my original comments had nothing to do with it, I was talking about harem.
 

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But I don't even know why we started talking about NTR since my original comments had nothing to do with it, I was talking about harem.
That's part of what happens when people don't understand the terms as they are used on the site. Like that other user. This game's got a harem, and it'll be a good one two it looks like. So yeah, that three letter term shouldn't even really be brought up in this game's thread.
 

Kadajko

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This game's got a harem
Ehh.. not yet it doesn't and hopefully never, I am on the other side of the fence here. So far OP only confirmed that you can cheat on the girls without them knowing. Also I remembered why we started talking about NTR I compared the two in one of my posts as something you don't want to have in a game.
 

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Ehh.. not yet it doesn't and hopefully never, I am on the other side of the fence here. So far OP only confirmed that you can cheat on the girls without them knowing. Also I remembered why we started talking about NTR I compared the two in one of my posts as something you don't want to have in a game.
Now your just trolling for the sake of it. This game's main focus will the MC and his harem...don't believe me? Then read what the developer wrote about his game. If you still don't believe it, then ask him.
 

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Now your just trolling for the sake of it. Then read what the developer wrote about his game. If you still don't believe it, then ask him.
Fair enough, another one bites the dust for me, a shame, the start of the game was really cool. Maybe next year I will find another good game that is not a harem.
 

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This game will include a harem path, however you will be able to pick and choose the girls you want to pursue, there won't be any forced love interests, the girls are not into "Open" relationships either, so if someone wants a happy harem, he might not want to tell the other girls.
even if I disagree with Kadajko, he is atleast right in that what you are describing is not a harem, its just the MC cheating on several women.
 
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even if I think Kadajko is a dumbass without taste
Lets not insult each other over tastes. It is not like I am coming in here saying that everyone that likes harem are dumbasses or act entitled to my preferences, I am just expressing my tastes.
 
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Thank you for the feedback!
This game will include a harem path, however you will be able to pick and choose the girls you want to pursue, there won't be any forced love interests, the girls are not into "Open" relationships either, so if someone wants a happy harem, he might not want to tell the other girls.
Eliza starts out as the damsel but her fierce personality shines when she's in dangerous situations, glad you noticed it!
You are correct, in that some light / dark choices might feel a little odd, I guess I'm trying not to have it only be life or death situation that they apply to.
if the mc is hiding that he is seeing other women, that is not a harem..

it's a harem when he is dating multiple girls and they all know about it, This as you say, Sounds like it's just going to be him going around cheating on them without them knowing he is with other girls, correct'? or am I reading this wrong?
 
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No, you got it wrong, I consider NTR only NTR when the girl is in a relationship with me, if I don't choose her she can sleep with whomever she wants and find herself a different boyfriend, I don't care, it's not cheating.
OK then, not what it sounded like you were saying in your previous post I quoted.
Fair enough, another one bites the dust for me, a shame, the start of the game was really cool. Maybe next year I will find another good game that is not a harem.
And this I totally do not understand. Why would you bail on this game if the choice for Harem (or, as you point out, more accurately - Cheating) is totally up to your choice as the MC? If you don't want to be involved with two LI and just pick one, then maybe just pick and be involved with one? Doesn't seem like that difficult a concept. As BuuPlays stated it, the game isn't so much a full-on Harem where all individuals are aware and willing co-participants, so the likelihood of two of your (potential) LIs messing around with each other seems remote, no? The game seems almost custom tailored to your particular taste, with the option for others to possibly explore other options even with forewarning it may not end well for them if they cheat.
 

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Lets not insult each other over tastes. It is not like I am coming in here saying that everyone that likes harem are dumbasses or act entitled to my preferences, I am just expressing my tastes.
you are absolutly right, im sleepy and in a bad mood, shouldn't lash out to random people, sorry for that.
 
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And this I totally do not understand. Why would you bail on this game if the choice for Harem (or, as you point out, more accurately - Cheating) is totally up to your choice as the MC? If you don't want to be involved with two LI and just pick one, then maybe just pick and be involved with one? Doesn't seem like that difficult a concept. As BuuPlays stated it, the game isn't so much a full-on Harem where all individuals are aware and willing co-participants, so the likelihood of two of your (potential) LIs messing around with each other seems remote, no? The game seems almost custom tailored to your particular taste, with the option for others to possibly explore other options even with forewarning it may not end well for them if they cheat.
But I explained it thoroughly before didn't I? It's not about the MC it is about the girls. When I am playing a game for the story I want a good romance, in order to have a good romance I must like the girl as a PERSON not just as pair of tits, because that is what keeps me invested in the story. A girl who is capable of sharing the MC is unattractive to me, I don't like her as a person, so I don't want to romance her.

Now if the game is not an actual harem but the player just gets the option to cheat, then I will play it, its fine, so long as there will be consequences in the end, you can't just hide cheating forever. But if all the girls willingly will share the MC then.. then I will ''play'' the game anyway because I play harem games too as fap material, but I will click on the ''skip unseen text'' button and hold down the control key from sex scene to the next sex scene ( unless gallery with a gallery mode is available to save me the trouble ), that is how I play every harem game, because if there is no good romance I don't care about the plot.

Maybe the dev doesn't exactly know what a harem means but the definition of harem is 1) You get ALL the girls. 2) They all share you consensually. 3) They don't bang anyone else. If it is not that it is not a harem. Harem is not just being able to bang multiple chicks.
 
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But I explained it thoroughly before didn't I? It's not about the MC it is about the girls. When I am playing a game for the story I want a good romance, in order to have a good romance I must like the girl as a PERSON not just as pair of tits, because that is what keeps me invested in the story. A girl who is capable of sharing the MC is unattractive to me, I don't like her as a person, so I don't want to romance her.

Now if the game is not an actual harem but the player just gets the option to cheat, then I will play it, its fine, so long as there will be consequences in the end, you can't just hide cheating forever. But if all the girls willingly will share the MC then.. then I will ''play'' the game anyway because I play harem games too as fap material, but I will click on the ''skip unseen text'' button and hold down the control key from sex scene to the next sex scene ( unless gallery with a gallery mode is available to save me the trouble ), because if there is no good romance I don't care about the plot.
And again, I say I do not understand - you just stated in your previous post that I quoted, that this game falls in your trash pile because of the potential harem, after you had previously pointed out that this game isn't really harem. It's well and good if you don't like cheating. So don't cheat. Everything the dev has said about this game reinforces the idea it's a monogamous route game with potential MC cheating. Nothing he has said or the tags would indicate your LI would cheat on you, where do you even get that idea?
 

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even if I disagree with Kadajko, he is atleast right in that what you are describing is not a harem, its just the MC cheating on several women.
that's basically what I got from that. a harem would usually entail every girl knows what the MC is doing with other girls and they accept it. this just sounds like no matter what, MC is going to be a bastard
 

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and for me its the exact same but different. I want the MC have a Romantic relationship with his harem girls, If he is just cheating on everyone than the MC is trash. If he is cheating he is lying to all of them. How can he claim to love them when he is treating them like fuckdolls? If they are not a Person but just Tits on a Stick for the MC I don't need the story and then I have zero interst in the sex scenes. If I just want to see emotionless sex I go to pornhub.
 

Kadajko

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Nothing he has said or the tags would indicate your LI would cheat on you, where do you even get that idea?
I am super confused where YOU got this from because at no point EVER have I talked about LI cheating on the MC.

And again, I say I do not understand - you just stated in your previous post that I quoted, that this game falls in your trash pile because of the potential harem, after you had previously pointed out that this game isn't really harem. Everything the dev has said about this game reinforces the idea it's a monogamous route game with potential MC cheating.
And if it is, GREAT, then I will play it and probably enjoy it! However two things contradict this:

1) There is a harem tag on the patreon, MC cheating does not make this a harem. So either the dev doesn't know what a harem is OR there will actually be a harem.

2) I got replies like this:

Now your just trolling for the sake of it. This game's main focus will the MC and his harem...don't believe me? Then read what the developer wrote about his game. If you still don't believe it, then ask him.
I guess according to you this person is talking crap OR they ALSO don't know what a harem is.
 
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