Can't speak for anyone but myself but the issue isn't exactly her becoming a vampire exactly. But her becoming a vampire came out of left field where it felt random and I wouldn't expect it. I thought it was just going to heal her and she would go back to being normal Eliza. The next problem is it felt like her drinking the blood to become a vampire was very rushed without much thought. Also others had an issue with there being a lack of choice but I understand why as that would mean more renders and it's much easier to force that choice to lower the render amount needed to produce. Then before a change she used to kill the barmaid without a change which sullied her character for alot people. (Not me personally since I expected it and her dialogue made her feel like the same Eliza I love from the start of the game) If it was handled a bit better I bet it wouldn't of been much of an issue. Though it would of been still an issue for someWhy didn't people like Eliza turning into a vampire? What alternative would be better for her to return to her movements? An Iron Man prosthetic?
I understand, but whether or not it was explained when we were lucid. And I believe that she doesn't hesitate because she thinks she is a burden for everyone.Can't speak for anyone but myself but the issue isn't exactly her becoming a vampire exactly. But her becoming a vampire came out of left field where it felt random and I wouldn't expect it. I thought it was just going to heal her and she would go back to being normal Eliza. The next problem is it felt like her drinking the blood to become a vampire was very rushed without much thought. Also others had an issue with there being a lack of choice but I understand why as that would mean more renders and it's much easier to force that choice to lower the render amount needed to produce. Then before a change she used to kill the barmaid without a change which sullied her character for alot people. (Not me personally since I expected it and her dialogue made her feel like the same Eliza I love from the start of the game) If it was handled a bit better I bet it wouldn't of been much of an issue. Though it would of been still an issue for some
I mean, its a game with infinite magic I'm sure something could have been explained. For me what ruined it is her character changing. She went from a strong female character that actually had a personality and after she got hurt / the pirate arc she turned into some princess in a castle who couldnt do anything for herself and was just another body for MC to fix and fuck.Why didn't people like Eliza turning into a vampire? What alternative would be better for her to return to her movements? An Iron Man prosthetic?
yeah micojive brings up some points I forgot to mention in my original reply. The other big issue is before her change what made her a great character is she was always trying to better her self to not be a burden and do things on her own. Which is what also made her a great character. I dont mind the power up as much as I do mind the fact it feels like she cant do anything or think on her own without the MC approval or permission most of the time. Don't get my wrong I dont hate vampire Eliza cause she is still Eliza and to be frank I find her fangs make her even hotter. But she was a much better character before the change. I don't even mind the whole vampire idea to be honest it was more of an issue with how things were handled with the change that's the bigger issue. But it does feel like it will get better with time cause it felt much worst the first update after the change but the one after that I thought was an improvement.Why didn't people like Eliza turning into a vampire? What alternative would be better for her to return to her movements? An Iron Man prosthetic?
Since the change her struggle has drastically changed.before her change what made her a great character is she was always trying to better her self to not be a burden and do things on her own. Which is what also made her a great character. I dont mind the power up as much as I do mind the fact it feels like she cant do anything or think on her own without the MC approval or permission most of the time.
I can agree with that as well, what you said probably is a big reason why I don't hate her being a vampire and find it easy to accept the change I just have issues with certain things about it. Tho to be honest it's a bit early for me to say I like Vampire Eliza more than Human cause we had a year of Human Eliza so naturally I would like her as a human more. As the vampire version had yet to really get much time to show her struggles like her human self did. But I agree I really do like how she doesn't trust her self and wanting to improve her self which I think is a main reason she choose to work at the guild more than go out on quest.Since the change her struggle has drastically changed.
I think she's still trying to better herself, but now, instead of not being a burden to her friends because of her condition, she's struggling to stop herself killing someone by giving into the primal urges that are part of her new condition.
If anything, for me, it's brought her more to life. Made her a much more complex character.
I think it's this struggle which has made her less willing to trust herself &, therefore, depend on MC much more.
But I think that the determination she showed when she was unable to walk, is still on display now. It's part of who she is, but she's got a much heavier doubt about herself, now.
Being a vampire & knowing how easy it is to lose herself in the blood, must be pretty concerning for her.
lol True, I'm still torn as well. Couldn't choose which I prefer, but know where you're coming from with having more association with her as a human, due to more story time spent as that.I can agree with that as well, what you said probably is a big reason why I don't hate her being a vampire and find it easy to accept the change I just have issues with certain things about it. Tho to be honest it's a bit early for me to say I like Vampire Eliza more than Human cause we had a year of Human Eliza so naturally I would like her as a human more. As the vampire version had yet to really get much time to show her struggles like her human self did. But I agree I really do like how she doesn't trust her self and wanting to improve her self which I think is a main reason she choose to work at the guild more than go out on quest.
Pretty sure he doesn't mind vampires existing in the story, just ElizaNo. And there never will be.
Nephilim is a combination of both high fantasy and dark fantasy, it will contain, humans, dwarves, elves, fairies, giants, orcs, trolls, goblins, wizards, ghosts, werewolves, beastfolk, gnomes, dragons, wyverns, hellhounds, demons, angels, devils, djinns, gods, goddess, celestials, divines, elemental lords, golems, succubuses, AND vampires.
I'm sure I left out a few, but you get the idea. If you can't stomach these things in a fantasy setting, Nephilim might not be for you.
Thanks for insight lol now I feel a bit like idiot I been over looking something right in front of my face why she seemed to want the MC approval more. since becoming a vampire and just been saying this entire time it felt like she couldn't think for her self but with trauma it makes so much more sense now. I guess I overlooked the trauma cause with her becoming a vampire it's something I kind of forgot about and was easily to overlook. I just knew it made her emotions go from 0 to 100% now so something did feel off to me but never occurred to me it was cause of her trauma being at 100% do to her heightened emotions.Some of you seem to think Eliza has a changed personality, which couldn't be further from the truth, if you think you have experienced every little nuance to her or anyone else's personality, you're dead wrong.
Eliza has experienced intense trauma and is still going through it, she has become a new species. Also it's been less than a week, god forbid she relies on the person she loves and trust to help her through this hardship and emotional trauma.
If you dislike Eliza because of her being a vampire, that's fine. But also it will never change, but claiming she has a different personality is a little absurd.
/Rant over
nah she isn't a major LI or anything at all tbh I don't even recall herI just started playing, and i'm totally hooked! The writing is excellent so far!
That being said, i have a question. So in the first part of the game, you get ambushed by a bandit couple. One of the bandits is a girl named Irene. You have the option to kill her. Does she have a lot of scenes? Is she a significant character? Because otherwise she's toast
thanks!~nah just isn't a major LI or anything at all tbh I don't even recall her
Feel free to toast her! She may or may not appear later, but she is not a major story character.I just started playing, and i'm totally hooked! The writing is excellent so far!
That being said, i have a question. So in the first part of the game, you get ambushed by a bandit couple. One of the bandits is a girl named Irene. You have the option to kill her. Does she have a lot of scenes? Is she a significant character? Because otherwise she's toast