VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.1] [BuuPlays]

[jadepaladin]

Yeah, that's over the top but I was thinking about it and I can't think of another game where a character seriously double-crossed you, but remained a Li (and it wasn't optional).

Does Leah from Acting Lessons count? On the spot, it's where my brain instantly went. She shows romantic interest, you have lewd activity with her, then after said plot twist, also has an ending with her(or 2, if I recall).

No idea how to keep this on topic though. I'd have to think about other VNs to consider more options (and I'm completely excluding NTR and NTS plots since that's not really what you're after).

Kira straight up betrays you to her dad and I was pretty hot that the MC didn't do a thing about it. That's the dev discord insight I want.

 

[Pixillin']

Does Leah from Acting Lessons count? On the spot, it's where my brain instantly went. She shows romantic interest, you have lewd activity with her, then after said plot twist, also has an ending with her(or 2, if I recall).

No idea how to keep this on topic though. I'd have to think about other VNs to consider more options (and I'm completely excluding NTR and NTS plots since that's not really what you're after).

Kira straight up betrays you to her dad and I was pretty hot that the MC didn't do a thing about it. That's the dev discord insight I want.

I don't know. I only played through Acting Lessons once and was only with Megan - so I don't really know what happened with Leah. I never showed any interest. (And yeah, not counting NTR/NTS games). But yeah - Kira, Pearl and Selena have all double crossed MC but are all still running around and MC is (not optionally) at least friends with two of them.

 

[Noble_Undergrounder_of_Ea]

I don't think there's any other thread quite like this one when it comes to talking about murdering LIs. It's a little much sometimes. I think there are various points where the MC has a valid reason to lash out in anger (Selena, Kira in the boat heading toward Looter's Bay) but murdering every LI? Including Eliza? Hell the MC doesn't even want to kill Taron at the moment.

I mean I just like seeing as many path as possible. I have multiple saves of killing everyone I can and other which is my kind only kill guys route. If I can kill a LI why not. I am always going to test all the options while waiting for the updates.

 

[War Lizard]

Eliza is part of the mission - the dude who saved MC and trained him made him promise to find and protect Eliza. We owe nothing to any of the others, but keeping Eliza safe is part of the reason MC came back in the first place. (Romance path is optional.) Besides, Eliza is ready to go - it's running around doing favors for everyone else that's slowing down MC.

Yeah, we're not doing so well at that part of the mission.

Does Leah from Acting Lessons count? On the spot, it's where my brain instantly went. She shows romantic interest, you have lewd activity with her, then after said plot twist, also has an ending with her(or 2, if I recall).

No idea how to keep this on topic though. I'd have to think about other VNs to consider more options (and I'm completely excluding NTR and NTS plots since that's not really what you're after).

Kira straight up betrays you to her dad and I was pretty hot that the MC didn't do a thing about it. That's the dev discord insight I want.

There's that girl at the start of Desert Stalker but she doesn't double cross you - she just attacks you, it's how you meet and what you do from there is optional.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Does Leah from Acting Lessons count? On the spot, it's where my brain instantly went. She shows romantic interest, you have lewd activity with her, then after said plot twist, also has an ending with her(or 2, if I recall).

No idea how to keep this on topic though. I'd have to think about other VNs to consider more options (and I'm completely excluding NTR and NTS plots since that's not really what you're after).

Kira straight up betrays you to her dad and I was pretty hot that the MC didn't do a thing about it. That's the dev discord insight I want.

I don't know. I only played through Acting Lessons once and was only with Megan - so I don't really know what happened with Leah. I never showed any interest. (And yeah, not counting NTR/NTS games). But yeah - Kira, Pearl and Selena have all double crossed MC but are all still running around and MC is (not optionally) at least friends with two of them.

I can name 10 LIs off the top of my head (probably 50+ if I really think about it) that have "double crossed" a MC as bad or worse than taking a cup (like Pearl did), you can't even call it stealing, cause it didn't belong to the MC anyway. Us players are then forced to be friendly or romantic with them (and that doesn't include NTR/NTS games).

 

[War Lizard]

I can name 10 LIs off the top of my head (probably 50+ if I really think about it) that have "double crossed" a MC as bad or worse than taking a cup (like Pearl did), you can't even call it stealing, cause it didn't belong to the MC anyway. Us players are then forced to be friendly or romantic with them (and that doesn't include NTR/NTS games).

I can't think of any. And I still count Pearl as a double cross - I wouldn't necessarily kill them but I wouldn't trust them, wouldn't consider them friends, and wouldn't go see them / save them etc. I'd just take my cup, go home and never look back.

 

[Dessolos]

I don't think there's any other thread quite like this one when it comes to talking about murdering LIs. It's a little much sometimes. I think there are various points where the MC has a valid reason to lash out in anger (Selena, Kira in the boat heading toward Looter's Bay) but murdering every LI? Including Eliza? Hell the MC doesn't even want to kill Taron at the moment.

yeah so far for me only 1 LI in this game that is even worth killing or deserve it and that is debatable because it's kind of fucked up with what you have to do to kill her.

 

[War Lizard]

yeah so far for me only 1 LI in this game that is even worth killing or deserve it and that is debatable because it's kind of fucked up with what you have to do to kill her.

I never understood why you get the option to kill her sister. (I assume we're talking about the same one.) The sister was just a hostage, she wasn't in on the plan or anything. Why would you kill her and not Selena?

 

[jadepaladin]

I never understood why you get the option to kill her sister. (I assume we're talking about the same one.) The sister was just a hostage, she wasn't in on the plan or anything. Why would you kill her and not Selena?

This is weird logic at best as I don't really agree with it but...Selena's betrayal directly impacted Eliza and indirectly the MC. So in a twisted way, he's just returning the favor by hurting someone close to her instead of her directly, much like Taron didn't hurt the MC directly.

 

[War Lizard]

This is weird logic at best as I don't really agree with it but...Selena's betrayal directly impacted Eliza and indirectly the MC. So in a twisted way, he's just returning the favor by hurting someone close to her instead of her directly, much like Taron didn't hurt the MC directly.

That's a little too psycho for me. I can see killing Selena but not killing an innocent to "teach her a lesson" or whatever. Even if you're being "cold and calculating" about it, that just leaves you with an enemy for life running around.

 

[Rehwyn]

Appreciate the insight. The points make sense but I echo the other post that I don't think the fight came across the way the dev interprets it.

Still, I might be being a little too picky. This is AVN land after all. On a side note...3 seasons? How many lewds is that gonna end up being? We pick up 1-2 characters per update at a minimum and even if some are just side content (Kelly and her mom) we're gonna hit triple digits by the end of this.

When the final boss battle comes, we're not going to use our powers at all - we're just going to throw extra Lis at him (literally).

Funny you mention this, because here's some other recent comments from Buu in the Discord:

...without saying too much i'll just allude to this, we're amassing quite the army of companions, and they will need to be put to use once we have to deal with Taron.
Cause he too has no shortage of allies

Taron is human sure, but he is quite powerful and skilled, and with the church backing him with magic and the south of luxeron backing him with military strength, he is becoming quite a menace

Realistically though, I suspect the number of new long-term LIs to level off at least a bit after season 1. Knowing now that there's three seasons planned, it makes since for season 1 to spend a lot of time introducing them, and season 2 and 3 focused on growing them more.

P.S. Regarding Taron, he's apparently only the Big Bad for Season 1.

 

[War Lizard]

Funny you mention this, because here's some other recent comments from Buu in the Discord:



Realistically though, I suspect the number of new long-term LIs to level off at least a bit after season 1. Knowing now that there's three seasons planned, it makes since for season 1 to spend a lot of time introducing them, and season 2 and 3 focused on growing them more.

P.S. Regarding Taron, he's apparently only the primary antagonist for Season 1.

This seems like a rationalization after the fact. MC is half angel, Eliza is a first generation vampire and the entire kingdom is looking for Taron but there are too many lis and so the dev is trying to justify it as - we're going to need them in the coming battle against a normal guy who is very sneaky. Even if we did need to add an additional ally or two, those allies didn't have to be lis.

 

[Rehwyn]

This seems like a rationalization after the fact. MC is half angel, Eliza is a first generation vampire and the entire kingdom is looking for Taron but there are too many lis and so the dev is trying to justify it as - we're going to need them in the coming battle against a normal guy who is very sneaky. Even if we did need to add an additional ally or two, those allies didn't have to be lis.

Sure, the allies didn't need to be potential LIs, but this is without a doubt a harem game. I'd have been very surprised if the majority of our female companions hadn't been potential LIs.

As for Taron, I suspect you're still underestimating him a bit and overestimating MC's acquired power. He was after all one of the three well-know "hero adventures" or whatever along with the current head of the adventurer guild, and may have gained magical benefits we don't know about yet from the cult. I'm sure once MC has fully come into his power, someone like Taron wouldn't even phase him. But MC has really only begun to tap into a fraction of his potential.

 

[Dessolos]

How I see the MC currently is like Darth Vader. He would of realized his full potential and grown to be strong if he didn't fight Obi wan and lose on Mustafar while Darth Vader is still powerful it's nothing compared to if he didn't lose.

 

[jadepaladin]

Sure, the allies didn't need to be potential LIs, but this is without a doubt a harem game. I'd have been very surprised if the majority of our female companions hadn't been potential LIs.

As for Taron, I suspect you're still underestimating him a bit and overestimating MC's acquired power. He was after all one of the three well-know "hero adventures" or whatever along with the current head of the adventure guild, and may have gained magical benefits we don't know about yet from the cult. I'm sure once MC has fully come into his power, someone like Taron wouldn't even phase him. But MC has really only begun to tap into a fraction of his potential.

I agree with all of this. We're vastly underestimating Taron but that's mainly because we haven't been shown what Taron is capable of. The only real time we saw him in action was whatever he did to break Eliza. Every other time he's either being scolded or threatening Eliza's mom (which doesn't really do anything to prove he's strong, just a bully). It's not for me to say whether or not this approach is right but it does explain why a lot of people here don't see Taron as a serious threat.

As for it being a harem game, 100%. Eliza just happened to be a cut above and she deludes all the other LIs who get marginal screen time at best, repeated sex scenes at worst. It's a tricky balance. Take away Eliza to introduce new people and you get complaints. Keep Eliza around and you hamper the harem. This is all based on the responses in this forum though. I'd be curious to know what actual paid patrons think about the situation.

 

[War Lizard]

I agree with all of this. We're vastly underestimating Taron but that's mainly because we haven't been shown what Taron is capable of. The only real time we saw him in action was whatever he did to break Eliza. Every other time he's either being scolded or threatening Eliza's mom (which doesn't really do anything to prove he's strong, just a bully). It's not for me to say whether or not this approach is right but it does explain why a lot of people here don't see Taron as a serious threat.

As for it being a harem game, 100%. Eliza just happened to be a cut above and she deludes all the other LIs who get marginal screen time at best, repeated sex scenes at worst. It's a tricky balance. Take away Eliza to introduce new people and you get complaints. Keep Eliza around and you hamper the harem. This is all based on the responses in this forum though. I'd be curious to know what actual paid patrons think about the situation.

We might be underestimating Taron - but we have an entire kingdom that wants him (in addition to the individuals we already have) - How much more do we need to deal with one guy? As for the harem - it might be a harem game, but because we get to pick and choose, I'm choosing not to play it as a harem game. I'm just with Eliza. I have plenty of reasons to like Eliza and Eliza doesn't want MC to have a harem, she might put up with it but it's not what she wants and that's enough for me. Honestly, none of the others have been tempting enough that I'd upset Eliza to be with them. IMO anyway, most of them are fairly uninteresting and weird. It's like they have no ambition, life or power without MC there.

 

[jadepaladin]

We might be underestimating Taron - but we have an entire kingdom that wants him (in addition to the individuals we already have) - How much more do we need to deal with one guy? As for the harem - it might be a harem game, but because we get to pick and choose, I'm choosing not to play it as a harem game. I'm just with Eliza. I have plenty of reasons to like Eliza and Eliza doesn't want MC to have a harem, she might put up with it but it's not what she wants and that's enough for me. Honestly, none of the others have been tempting enough that I'd upset Eliza to be with them. IMO anyway, most of them are fairly uninteresting and weird. It's like they have no ambition, life or power without MC there.

Everyone besides Eliza is pretty shallow I agree. The writing starts to fold when you do Eliza only. LIs consistently throw themselves at you despite saying no over and over. In the end, you get the same Eliza, the same Luna, the same Kira, etc. It's almost like the LIs should have been kinetic from the way they are supposed to be incorporated into the story but you can't do kinetic without people whining about forced relationships.

Either way, the story is doing something to hold my attention so something is working. I feel like if I was only into Eliza, I would have given up already, given how she's been handled.

 

[War Lizard]

Everyone besides Eliza is pretty shallow I agree. The writing starts to fold when you do Eliza only. LIs consistently throw themselves at you despite saying no over and over. In the end, you get the same Eliza, the same Luna, the same Kira, etc. It's almost like the LIs should have been kinetic from the way they are supposed to be incorporated into the story but you can't do kinetic without people whining about forced relationships.

Either way, the story is doing something to hold my attention so something is working. I feel like if I was only into Eliza, I would have given up already, given how she's been handled.

Yeah, I don't do kinetic AVNs. If I want that I have books and graphic novels. I'm here for Eliza and MC and their story. The rest is just stuff I have to slog through. Eliza and MC just happen to live in a world where the women are super needy and thirsty and incapable of handling much without MC. I have my wife, and then a bunch of adopted children with special needs and I may need to jump up at a moments notice and cross half a continent because their shoe came untied and they don't know what to do about it. Honestly, if things don't change I'll probably be out after the first part because I fear that we'll start part 2 living in the house we're building with all of, or most of, the Lis living there too - even if MC showed no interest in them. I've played it with the walkthrough on and I don't think I have a single relationship point with any of them, and am locked on the friend path with four or five of them, but they don't seem to have noticed.

 

[jadepaladin]

Yeah, I don't do kinetic AVNs. If I want that I have books and graphic novels. I'm here for Eliza and MC and their story. The rest is just stuff I have to slog through. Eliza and MC just happen to live in a world where the women are super needy and thirsty and incapable of handling much without MC. I have my wife, and then a bunch of adopted children with special needs and I may need to jump up at a moments notice and cross half a continent because their shoe came untied and they don't know what to do about it. Honestly, if things don't change I'll probably be out after the first part because I fear that we'll start part 2 living in the house we're building with all of, or most of, the Lis living there too - even if MC showed no interest in them. I've played it with the walkthrough on and I don't think I have a single relationship point with any of them, and am locked on the friend path with four or five of them, but they don't seem to have noticed.

Alice sees Eliza sleeping post paralysis. Alice decides the best course of action is to strip, crawl in bed with her, and try to entice the MC. Alice has issues.

Not even gonna start on Kira. Actually, I could do this for all the other LIs but it's been done to death.

 

[Dessolos]

Alice sees Eliza sleeping post paralysis. Alice decides the best course of action is to strip, crawl in bed with her, and try to entice the MC. Alice has issues.

Not even gonna start on Kira. Actually, I could do this for all the other LIs but it's been done to death.

I didn't mind the Alice scene as much as others. I didn't see the big deal how she was sleeping with Eliza in a medieval / fantasy society especially from a commoner . Be a different story if Eliza was a princess or Queen or it was a modern day setting. . As I imagine alot do sleep naked so probably seems normal and probably something they don't bat an eye at.

I actually blame both the MC and Alice in this scene. For how I saw it didn't feel like she was sleeping naked to seduce the MC. Then with the MC getting naked and jumping in bed is where I do shift blame towards him , as he has to know it sends mix signals to else especially because she has had an unhealthy crush and obsession over him. Where I do blame Alice is when they are in the bed together and she lacks any self control , with asking the MC about sleeping ontop of him and a potential date in the future.