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Yeah, let me break Selena's legs or chop them off instead, she will feel this pain too :ROFLMAO: and will furthermore be a living example of what happens when you fuck with eliza (until eliza offs her)
I was pissed off too....but she did it to save her sister. I know i'll do anything to save my loved Ones.
 
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I was pissed off too....but she did it to save her sister. I know i'll do anything to save my loved Ones.
Yeah thats fair, but you cant blame someone else when he kills you if you brought his/her loved ones in mortal danger due to your decision

even less if it could have been avoided
 

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I was pissed off too....but she did it to save her sister. I know i'll do anything to save my loved Ones.
Yeah thats fair, but you cant blame someone else when he kills you if you brought his/her loved ones in mortal danger due to your decision

even less if it could have been avoided
I tend to agree with the quote, "An eye for an eye will leave everyone blind."

She definitely did Eliza and MC wrong, but I can understand why she felt she needed to. As such, I didn't kill either of them. Told Selena that if I see her again I'd essentially leave her fate up to Eliza. Felt that was a pretty fair compromise that didn't cause unnecessary death, and returned agency to Eliza.
 
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Avaron1974

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What's going on?

First he tells Pearl he only wants her even though i'm on Kira's route too.

Then we leave the lands of Nephilim and end up in other game I play, exact same story beats too.

Weird update.
 
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What's going on?

First he tells Pearl he only wants her even though i'm on Kira's route too.

Then we leave the lands of Nephilim and end up in other game I play, exact same story beats too.

Weird update.
The first thing is a variable bug. You have to replay 5.0 and get the twins achievement again which should fix it. Otherwise you can use URM or another mod to turn on the "twins" variable. Supposedly we'll get asked in a later update if we are pursuing both and it'll fix itself.

As for the update...depends on how much you liked LC I guess.
 
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I was pissed off too....but she did it to save her sister. I know i'll do anything to save my loved Ones.
looking back now, I do agree.. but also don't expect anyone to also agree to spare you for what ya did. Like someone said, an eye for an eye. she put a love one of the MC in danger. I get her reasons, I will do the same if I was in her shoes.. But now she's dead by eliza's hand.. in my game for her decisions... I would have probably spared her if she didn't act like a bitch when Eliza confronted her about it tbh... Kinda dark right? sorry, but it's the truth.:whistle: Hate killing her sister tho tbh, felt like shit because of it, and might go back in a later play through.

All this could have been avoided if Selene trusted them a bit, and asked for help... But she took action in her own hands, and reaped what she sowed. Tbh this situation deserved more ways to handle it.. I liked the idea of having another option that someone said about basically paralyzing Selene making her feel the pain Eliza went thru.

the perfect eye for an eye scenario, and could have had a better redemption arc with that.
 

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looking back now, I do agree.. but also don't expect anyone to also agree to spare you for what ya did. Like someone said, an eye for an eye. she put a love one of the MC in danger. I get her reasons, I will do the same if I was in her shoes.. But now she's dead by eliza's hand.. in my game for her decisions... I would have probably spared her if she didn't act like a bitch when Eliza confronted her about it tbh... Kinda dark right? sorry, but it's the truth.:whistle: Hate killing her sister tho tbh, felt like shit because of it, and might go back in a later play through.

All this could have been avoided if Selene trusted them a bit, and asked for help... But she took action in her own hands, and reaped what she sowed. Tbh this situation deserved more ways to handle it.. I liked the idea of having another option that someone said about basically paralyzing Selene making her feel the pain Eliza went thru.

the perfect eye for an eye scenario, and could have had a better redemption arc with that.
To be clear, the quote I shared means that pursuing "eye for an eye" justice just ends up with everyone being blind. In other words, it emphasizes the idea that retaliation and revenge only lead to more suffering and conflict.

Hence why I chose not to kill the sister on a non-Dark path.
 
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With the clarity of being several updates ahead (and the sting of Selena's betrayal gone), I can look back and say that picking the sister over Selena is very much the right move on a dark path. I just think it goes too far with her death. Proper eye for an eye would have been injuring the sister in front of Selena, leaving Selena just as helpless as the MC felt in that moment.

Taron wants to provoke the MC by injuring Eliza. MC on a dark path decides the best way to get back at Selena is to play a uno reverse card and hurt someone she is close to.

I'm not even sure what the dark path is supposed to be big story though. MC is so nice outside of it that it feels narratively like he has some kind of personality disorder.
 

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I wanted to kill Selena, not the sister - but if the only way to get Selena is to take out the sister then I'll go that way. There are vampire hunters around now, and Selena knows that Eliza is a vampire and has a grudge against her because she won't let Selena get close to MC again. (That Selena thinks, after everything that happened, that she can just say sorry and resume a normal relationship is just more evidence of how fucked up she is.) I mean, I haven't forgiven the Pirate Twins for their betrayals, I certainly haven't forgiven Selena. So while MC isn't doing anything important - just hanging out in the forest for no good reason instead of back home where he belongs. I'll go back and make things slightly safer for Eliza by killing the sister.
 

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To be clear, the quote I shared means that pursuing "eye for an eye" justice just ends up with everyone being blind. In other words, it emphasizes the idea that retaliation and revenge only lead to more suffering and conflict.

Hence why I chose not to kill the sister on a non-Dark path.
There is another moral lesson that can be learned from “an eye for an eye”, which is that actions have consequences and one should be very careful so as to avoid giving others a reason to seek revenge/vengeance/retribution.
 

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There is another moral lesson that can be learned from “an eye for an eye”, which is that actions have consequences and one should be very careful so as to avoid giving others a reason to seek revenge/vengeance/retribution.
True but that's sort of the point here. If you go that route Selena and her sister are both dead, and nobody really cares about them so no revenge.
 

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There is another moral lesson that can be learned from “an eye for an eye”, which is that actions have consequences and one should be very careful so as to avoid giving others a reason to seek revenge/vengeance/retribution.
Certainly. But in this case MC is in control of the consequences. Assuming that you have to take revenge to teach a lesson is essentially a surrendering of that control. And seeking revenge/vengeance/retribution generally tends to perpetuate a cycle.

Not only might it set up others to come seek retaliation against MC (hypothetically here, I don't think we know of anyone that actually would be interested in seeking revenge for Selena or her sister), but psychology generally finds that it doesn't actually help that much emotionally after the initial, brief satisfaction and trains the brain to be more vulnerable to negative feelings such as anger associated with desiring revenge in the future.

Given that Selena's actions were not motivated by malice and she's not powerful, she's extremely unlikely to cause issues in the future if you let her go and tell her to leave with her sister. And she knows what she did was not a good act. So killing her sister serves essentially no purpose other than MC's temporary satisfaction. Appropriate for a Dark path, but definitely doesn't feel like it for a Light path, in my opinion.
 
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Pixillin'

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Certainly. But in this case MC is in control of the consequences. Assuming that you have to take revenge to teach a lesson is essentially a surrendering of that control. And seeking revenge/vengeance/retribution generally tends to perpetuate a cycle.

Not only might it set up others to come seek retaliation against MC (hypothetically here, I don't think we know of anyone that actually would be interested in seeking revenge for Selena or her sister), but psychology generally finds that it doesn't actually help that much emotionally after the initial, brief satisfaction and trains the brain to be more vulnerable to negative feelings such as anger associated with desiring revenge in the future.

Given that Selena's actions were not motivated by malice and she's not powerful, she's extremely unlikely to cause issues in the future if you let her go and tell her to leave with her sister. So killing her serves essentially no purpose other than MC's temporary satisfaction. Appropriate for a Dark path, but definitely doesn't feel like it for a Light path, in my opinion.
Except on the path where she's still alive, Selena a) knows that Eliza is a vampire and b) hates Eliza because Eliza won't let Selena get close to MC again. So while she is alive, she is a threat - and since Buu won't let us stay close to Eliza, it seems safest to neutralize that threat before we go.
 

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Except on the path where she's still alive, Selena a) knows that Eliza is a vampire and b) hates Eliza because Eliza won't let Selena get close to MC again. So while she is alive, she is a threat - and since Buu won't let us stay close to Eliza, it seems safest to neutralize that threat before we go.
Information that we don't learn until after MC makes the choice of whether to kill the sister, if I remember correctly? And based on a decision Eliza makes too.

I'm going to let Eliza make her own decisions there, since she was the one mainly harmed.
 
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Well I’m of the opinion that people shouldn’t blindly do other people’s bidding. Selena could have just hired the adventurers guild to help free her sister or informed the guards even if they likely wouldn’t have believed her.

The same goes for the maids that helped spin the lie that got the MC thrown in the dungeons.

Granted, non-compliance might result in unwanted outcomes for those people. But would people be as forgiving if those same characters had been men?

I’m not saying that any of them deserved to die or suffer physical harm, but to not face any consequences for aiding and abetting a criminal seems rather absurd.
 

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Information that we don't learn until after MC makes the choice of whether to kill the sister, if I remember correctly? And based on a decision Eliza makes too.

I'm going to let Eliza make her own decisions there, since she was the one mainly harmed.
Yes, Eliza kills Selena but only if MC kills the sister - I don’t really want to kill the sister, but I also don’t want Eliza to have another enemy at large while I’m not there. I don’t like any of these choices but since we don’t get a choice about going to the Pirate Twins or going on the sea voyage after, I have to do what I can with the choices I do have. (I would have been happier if MC was there - even if those who stayed only had one short scene per update.)
 

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Yes, Eliza kills Selena but only if MC kills the sister - I don’t really want to kill the sister, but I also don’t want Eliza to have another enemy at large while I’m not there. I don’t like any of these choices but since we don’t get a choice about going to the Pirate Twins or going on the sea voyage after, I have to do what I can with the choices I do have. (I would have been happier if MC was there - even if those who stayed only had one short scene per update.)
Honestly, if you're basing your decision on whether or not to kill the sister based on game metaknowledge of what Eliza decides to do later with Selena and other factors that don't occur until after the decision is made, you might as well go all the way and acknowledge that there's not a chance in hell Buu is going to potentially kill off Eliza or permanently maim her in the future based on this decision, vampire hunters or not.
 
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Honestly, if you're basing your decision on whether or not to kill the sister based on game metaknowledge of what Eliza decides to do later with Selena and other factors that don't occur until after the decision is made, you might as well go all the way and acknowledge that there's not a chance in hell Buu is going to potentially kill off Eliza or permanently maim her in the future based on this decision, vampire hunters or not.
Maybe, but honestly I’m thinking of going full dark path anyway - the more time I spend around the other characters, the less interested I am in saving the world.
 
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Well I’m of the opinion that people shouldn’t blindly do other people’s bidding. Selena could have just hired the adventurers guild to help free her sister or informed the guards even if they likely wouldn’t have believed her.

The same goes for the maids that helped spin the lie that got the MC thrown in the dungeons.

Granted, non-compliance might result in unwanted outcomes for those people. But would people be as forgiving if those same characters had been men?

I’m not saying that any of them deserved to die or suffer physical harm, but to not face any consequences for aiding and abetting a criminal seems rather absurd.
Only 1 maid. Mei did the bullshitting all on her own. Vila had nothing to do with it. (and I was pissed we didn't get a chance to be angry about it not even for a second).
Same as people keep saying pirate twins betrayal. Only Kira betrayed MC, Pearl just beat him to a treasure.
 
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