VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.4] [BuuPlays]

[Pixillin']

nah Pix is actually a Tsundere he pretends he wants to kill the pirate twins but he actually loves them and wants to kill Eliza by driving a stake through her undead heart

I am, very much, looking forward to the scene(s) where that theory gets put to the test and I get some actual choices.

 

[Dessolos]

I am, very much, looking forward to the scene(s) where that theory gets put to the test and I get some actual choices.

so you do want to kill Eliza then

 

[Pixillin']

so you do want to kill Eliza then

Let’s find out. Give me the choice to kill the pirate twins first and then the one about Eliza. Let’s see who survives.

 

[storm1051787]

Nah man, i think MC would have (kinda easily) beat her if he went all out from the beginning. But he has the Son Goku curse and does the thing where he only "transforms" gradually during the fight (his eyes get blue or red and so on), he didnt even used lasereyes or something.

There's literally no indication that he didn't go all out and he hasn't used the laser eyes since the beginning of the game and rellies way more on wind magic. Imo this is a bunch of cope, he get knocked flying early on in the start and onyx gets disable then literally gets a fatal wound that he only managed to survived because he absored the heal crystals then after getting back up he gets frozen into a solid block of ice.

The dude lost and there was no real indication that he was ever holding back. Mc literally says in his own words that Diana is stronger than he is. The whole point of the character is that she's supposed to be around his level so after this arc is done he gets a powerful ally/sparing partner since he outclasses everyone else in his circle.

Rin is not super deep but imo has more potential and backstory than 98& of the LI's and shes not in the capital in the first place because of the mc, shes there because of her ninja thing and just got distracted by the knowledge of mc being there.

She only left her village and joined the assasain group because it gave her a chance to travel and look for the mc again. Idk imo I'm not really interested in Rin at all. She's the same as the other LI if not worse.

Did not he win but over-exhausted himself so passed out and almost drowned? Am I misremembering that scene? Why do everybody says he lost?

Because he did lost. Like I said above she delivers a fatal blow to him twice and he only gets back up because of his regen abilities and even then he was out for a good 30 seconds each time. Then in the final bout they knock each other out.

Essentially he lost twice and then had a managed to get a draw in the last round.

 

[Dessolos]

idk I think he was holding back some or just not smart. There was a few times if the MC had the laser eyes ( depending on your save) it would of been game over for her if he had used them. So the fact on saves that have that power a choice is never given to even use them makes feel he was holding back to a small degree. But I think he was going mostly all out probably using something like 70-80% of his max power

 

[storm1051787]

idk I think he was holding back some or just not smart. There was a few times if the MC had the laser eyes ( depending on your save) it would of been game over for her if he had used them. So the fact on saves that have that power a choice is never given to even use them makes feel he was holding back to a small degree. But I think he was going mostly all out probably using something like 70-80% of his max power

It makes no sense for the mc to say "she's stronger than me" only for that statement to not be true and argue he's holding back. Mc hasn't used laser eyes because the dev forgot about them and hasn't used them since like chapter 2.

 

[Dessolos]

It makes no sense for the mc to say "she's stronger than me" only for that statement to not be true and argue he's holding back. Mc hasn't used laser eyes because the dev forgot about them and hasn't used them since like chapter 2.

well there is also the fact Buu said a while back he was holding back so there is that. I just don't think he was holding back that much. That's why I said 70-80% of his max power.

2nd paragraph he said he was holding back and not fighting fight for survival.



i'd have to replay the game but pretty sure sure we used laser eyes once or twice around the pirate arc or after but yeah he barley uses them

 

[Quetzzz]

idk I think he was holding back some or just not smart. There was a few times if the MC had the laser eyes ( depending on your save) it would of been game over for her if he had used them. So the fact on saves that have that power a choice is never given to even use them makes feel he was holding back to a small degree. But I think he was going mostly all out probably using something like 70-80% of his max power

I think he was holding back as well, but for a different reason.
MC & Diana knocked each other out, got fished out of the water by Diana's crew, and put in the same bed to recover. Surely the crew must have noticed that the MC was such a good guy (tm) and that he was holding back the entire time. Why else wouldn't he be bound and gagged in some cell below deck?

 

[Dessolos]

He said at the start, not for the entire fight.

I just think it was a domino effect him holding back prevented him from going all out since she got the edge the entire fight. That and I just don't think he is a good fighter without using his powers. Then im sure the fact she was a Admiral for the King made him not want to try to kill her but knock her out. So believe what you want I still think he was holding back to a small degree which is why I think he was only isng 70-80% of his max power, even after he realized how strong she was.

 

[storm1051787]

I just think it was a domino effect him holding back prevented him from going all out since she got the edge the entire fight. That and I just don't think he is a good fighter without using his powers. Then im sure the fact she was a Admiral for the King made him not want to try to kill her but knock her out. So believe what you want I still think he was holding back to a small degree which is why I think he was only isng 70-80% of his max power, even after he realized how strong she was.

I'm going to continue to say he just got his ass beat and all you guys are just coping. I don't believe there was any chance he was holding back after she stabbed him in the throat. He had a good while to recover and compeltely caught her off guard when he got back up

 

[Dessolos]

I'm going to continue to say he just got his ass beat and all you guys are just coping. I don't believe there was any chance he was holding back after she stabbed him in the throat. He had a good while to recover and compeltely caught her off guard when he got back up

I mean im not arguing he got his ass beat just he wasn't using his full capacity , just most of it. At that point I don't think he even recovered enough to go all out they both passed out right after the fight if I recall correctly. Or at the very least I recall he barley had any energy or mana left to do much after the fight and I think that was right at the end of the fight , when he got stabbed in the throat.

 

[xapican]

I think he was holding back as well, but for a different reason.
MC & Diana knocked each other out, got fished out of the water by Diana's crew, and put in the same bed to recover. Surely the crew must have noticed that the MC was such a good guy (tm) and that he was holding back the entire time. Why else wouldn't he be bound and gagged in some cell below deck?

He identifyed previos as member of the court, like Diana, that is why he hold back, before all this adventure he had a convo with the King where the King tells him that he send his best Admiral against Pirate Bay.

 

[jaxofalltrades]

I'm going to continue to say he just got his ass beat and all you guys are just coping. I don't believe there was any chance he was holding back after she stabbed him in the throat. He had a good while to recover and compeltely caught her off guard when he got back up

Even after he was stabbed, he still wasn't fighting to kill so that's still technically holding back. And a few minutes isn't a good while to recover (if it were longer Diana wouldn't have still been off the boat when he surprised her).

I mean im not arguing he got his ass beat just he wasn't using his full capacity , just most of it. At that point I don't think he even recovered enough to go all out they both passed out right after the fight if I recall correctly. Or at the very least I recall he barley had any energy or mana left to do much after the fight and I think that was right at the end of the fight , when he got stabbed in the throat.

Yeah, I remember they were both gassing out at the end which is why they both needed to rest for however many hours after the fight.

 

[storm1051787]

Even after he was stabbed, he still wasn't fighting to kill so that's still technically holding back. And a few minutes isn't a good while to recover (if it were longer Diana wouldn't have still been off the boat when he surprised her).


Yeah, I remember they were both gassing out at the end which is why they both needed to rest for however many hours after the fight.

He was fighting to survive though. I don't think he was holding back

 

[Krytax123]

There's literally no indication that he didn't go all out and he hasn't used the laser eyes since the beginning of the game and rellies way more on wind magic. Imo this is a bunch of cope, he get knocked flying early on in the start and onyx gets disable then literally gets a fatal wound that he only managed to survived because he absored the heal crystals then after getting back up he gets frozen into a solid block of ice.

The dude lost and there was no real indication that he was ever holding back. Mc literally says in his own words that Diana is stronger than he is. The whole point of the character is that she's supposed to be around his level so after this arc is done he gets a powerful ally/sparing partner since he outclasses everyone else in his circle.




She only left her village and joined the assasain group because it gave her a chance to travel and look for the mc again. Idk imo I'm not really interested in Rin at all. She's the same as the other LI if not worse.



Because he did lost. Like I said above she delivers a fatal blow to him twice and he only gets back up because of his regen abilities and even then he was out for a good 30 seconds each time. Then in the final bout they knock each other out.

Essentially he lost twice and then had a managed to get a draw in the last round.

It makes no sense for the mc to say "she's stronger than me" only for that statement to not be true and argue he's holding back. Mc hasn't used laser eyes because the dev forgot about them and hasn't used them since like chapter 2.

I dont get why youre so hellbent to make this point when its obviously wrong. Not even talking about that him losing would actually prove my original point even more.

Here a few examples for you from the fight:

Spoiler: MC Admiral fight

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And this one is before their very last clash before you trying to argue that he only said anything like that in the beginning.



So nah, youre interpretation/memorys of the event are simply wrong. Youre quotation of him saying that shes stronger is wrong too, he never said that.

The only thing he said is that she bested him in quite a few of their clashes (while he was holding back very obviously).

His eyes never switched to the blight blue or red eye colour either which is usually his serious-mode

 

[Dessolos]

so he only went all out for 1 attack thanks for this render proof he was holding back kind of what I thought just didn't realize it was said in the dialogue

 

[storm1051787]

So nah, youre interpretation/memorys of the event are simply wrong. Youre quotation of him saying that shes stronger is wrong too, he never said that.

He literally says she's stronger than him

Here a few examples for you from the fight:

I don't really think any of these statements imply he's holding back. Just that he was never going for the kill. Saying "I can't hold back with this attack" doesn't suggest that he was holding back and pulling his punches the entire fighting. Just that he wasn't trying to do anything like stab her in the gut

 

[Krytax123]

He literally says she's stronger than him View attachment 4714638

Okay seems like i didnt replayed it long enough just now. Its kinda a flawed premise to not count his regenerative ability tho and even more when he falls back on it and never really gives his all because he will just be able to stand up again lol

Im not really sure what to make out of that, shes for sure the more skilled combatant tho lol

Doubtfull the mc himself even knows how strong he is at the moment if he would be fully unleashed

My initial initial statement (him being overconfident) was incorrect tho, as he was holding back because he couldnt afford to kill her (officially because shes royal marine, inoffical because we have to bang) but he still was holding back.

 

[justin.case]

Because he did lost. Like I said above she delivers a fatal blow to him twice and he only gets back up because of his regen abilities and even then he was out for a good 30 seconds each time. Then in the final bout they knock each other out.

Essentially he lost twice and then had a managed to get a draw in the last round.

Dude, that's like saying he lost because he should be drown but he did not because he used his ability to walk on water. Regeneration is an ability of his, so just because he used it does not mean he lost.

Also, she was fighting to kill at least incapacitate while he was holding back because she is an admiral of the king he has loyalty of.

I need to recheck how it ended because as far as I remember, he kinda pulled a trick and won but because he overextended himself and passed out of exhaustion. Even if I misremembered and you are right, that's a draw not lost. So, either case he did not lose.

 

[storm1051787]

Okay seems like i didnt replayed it long enough just now. Its kinda a flawed premise to not count his regenerative ability tho and even more when he falls back on it and never really gives his all because he will just be able to stand up again lol

Im not really sure what to make out of that, shes for sure the more skilled combatant tho lol

Doubtfull the mc himself even knows how strong he is at the moment if he would be fully unleashed

My initial initial statement (him being overconfident) was incorrect tho, as he was holding back because he couldnt afford to kill her (officially because shes royal marine, inoffical because we have to bang) but he still was holding back.

Because like I said earlier he might not have been trying to kill her but I don't really think that's the same as holding back. Mc is not a trained assassins that relies on lethal attacks and I feel like wind magic makes it pretty easy to incomasitate people. Basically the way he was fighting against her is the same way he fights everyone.

I think he was caught off guard maybe during the first round by how strong she was but I think he was at least going all out by the second round. All "I can't kill her" means to me is no stabbing in vitals, but Diana is clearly a better fighter in the first place and Mc only really got as far as he did in that fight because of his powers.



And I think not counting regen also matters because he's essentially admitting that Diana has more raw combat ability than he does. The regen essentially just allows him to fight longer.

Dude, that's like saying he lost because he should be drown but he did not because he used his ability to walk on water. Regeneration is an ability of his, so just because he used it does not mean he lost.

No, it's saying he lost because she knocked him out twice. He was down and the only reason why he wasn't completely dead then is because she thought she had finished the job and walked away.

I need to recheck how it ended because as far as I remember, he kinda pulled a trick and won but because he overextended himself

Nope, it was a double knock out. They both attacked each other at the same time and both got knocked out by the attack. Like I posted earlier mc literally admits that Diana is stronger than him.