VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.4] [BuuPlays]

[justin.case]

No, it's saying he lost because she knocked him out twice. He was down and the only reason why he wasn't completely dead then is because she thought she had finished the job and walked away.

I am not sure why you are so hellbent on this. It is his ability, if she wanted best him she should cross that ability too. It really is a nonsense you are trying to push and if you don't see what's wrong with what you are saying, then I am not sure there is a way to convince you.

Nope, it was a double knock out. They both attacked each other at the same time and both got knocked out by the attack.

Okay, then it's a draw. He still did not lose the fight.

 

[storm1051787]

I am not sure why you are so hellbent on this. It is his ability, if she wanted best him she should cross that ability too. It really is a nonsense you are trying to push and if you don't see what's wrong with what you are saying, then I am not sure there is a way to convince you.

I don't really think you understand what I'm saying here.

I'm not saying you can't count the mc's regen ability. I'm saying that the only reason why the mc survived is because of his regen ability. It's not why I'm saying he lost. I'm saying he lost because twice in the fight he was essentially knocked out. I'm basically counting the whole thing as 3 rounds.


Round 1 he lost.

Round 2 he lost.

Round 3 was a double knock out.

 

[xapican]

justin.case ;
MC: "We bang !"
Edit: OH, "And what Hornyy Pussy said!"

 

[justin.case]

I don't really think you understand what I'm saying here.

I'm not saying you can't count the mc's regen ability. I'm saying that the only reason why the mc survived is because of his regen ability. It's not why I'm saying he lost. I'm saying he lost because twice in the fight he was essentially knocked out. I'm basically counting the whole thing as 3 rounds.


Round 1 he lost.

Round 2 he lost.

Round 3 was a double knock out.

There was no rounds though. They fought and he did not lose. That's the entirety of my claim.

I really don't know where this discussion came from, I haven't read the entire thread. I saw people saying MC lost that fight, so I said he did not. I remember he won at the end with some trickery, though you say double knock-out and I don't remember entirely so I trust what you say. Still, he did not lose the fight. As MC said he has some raw magic in him, different than all other magicians. He has to refine it to be become better user. She has a rare magic honed to almost perfection to fight. MC was holding back, having any sort of limitation is holding back btw. If you can't kill, you can't use certain attacks and/or abilities. So he held his ground fairly good and not losing that fight is more than enough for him in that situation.

If you are saying MC should have godlike power from the get-go then there won't be any story because the main story is, MC gaining power through kindness(light path) or vengeance (dark path) and take his revenge.

Anyways, I am gonna do a rerun so and probably read your discussion. Maybe I'll join the discussion then.

 

[justin.case]

justin.case ;
MC: "We bang !"
Edit: OH, "And what Hornyy Pussy said!"

P.S. I don't even when I put that there. But it's the ultimate truth, ain't it?

 

[Dessolos]

There was no rounds though. They fought and he did not lose. That's the entirety of my claim.

I really don't know where this discussion came from, I haven't read the entire thread. I saw people saying MC lost that fight, so I said he did not. I remember he won at the end with some trickery, though you say double knock-out and I don't remember entirely so I trust what you say. Still, he did not lose the fight. As MC said he has some raw magic in him, different than all other magicians. He has to refine it to be become better user. She has a rare magic honed to almost perfection to fight. MC was holding back, having any sort of limitation is holding back btw. If you can't kill, you can't use certain attacks and/or abilities. So he held his ground fairly good and not losing that fight is more than enough for him in that situation.

If you are saying MC should have godlike power from the get-go then there won't be any story because the main story is, MC gaining power through kindness(light path) or vengeance (dark path) and take his revenge.

Anyways, I am gonna do a rerun so and probably read your discussion. Maybe I'll join the discussion then.

I think he was using rounds because there was a few times where it looked like he was out of the fight / done for and got back up. So I can see how that can be considered round 1 etc

 

[justin.case]

I think he was using rounds because there was a few times where it looked like he was out of the fight / done for and got back up. So I can see how that can be considered round 1 etc

Meh. It's a fight, you go down then get up again. If you can't get up, you lost. He took the initiative a few times too iirc, so why don't we put some rounds there to give him some points?

 

[storm1051787]

There was no rounds though. They fought and he did not lose. That's the entirety of my claim.

Any time there is a significant pause in a fight that's essentially a new round. If you count this as boxing rules the mc lost the fight. He got knocked out then managed to recover after a while and caught Diana off guard both times because she didn't know about his regen powers being able to heal his otherwise fatal injuries.

Imo that's a pretty clear lost. I'm not taking their powers into consideration at all here. Even if you don't count those as rounds as I did a draw is still a lost imo it's just means both parties lost. Holding back doesn't really matter here since nobody can agree with how much he was holding back or for how long, just that he was trying not to kill her initially. But even if we knew mc was holding back considerably I'd still say he lost those rounds I'd just say he only lost because he was holding back. While here I'm saying he lost those rounds because she's a more skilled fighter, and probably better at using her magic.

I think he was using rounds because there was a few times where it looked like he was out of the fight / done for and got back up. So I can see how that can be considered round 1 etc

That's exactly what I'm doing.

 

[justin.case]

Any time there is a significant pause in a fight that's essentially a new round. If you count this as boxing rules the mc lost the fight. He got knocked out then managed to recover after a while and caught Diana off guard both times because she didn't know about his regen powers being able to heal his otherwise fatal injuries.

That is not boxing though. Also, the abilities of Diana caught MC off guard too. For those to be counted as rounds, like any sports that do that, there should be rules for it. Let's go with your analogy, in boxing it's not a round when someone goes down, it's when the bell rings. If an opponent gets up and good to fight, then the fight goes on. So even in your analogy, that does not work.

Imo that's a pretty clear lost. I'm not taking their powers into consideration at all here. Even if you don't count those as rounds as I did a draw is still a lost imo it's just means both parties lost. Holding back doesn't really matter here since nobody can agree with how much he was holding back or for how long, just that he was trying not to kill her initially. But even if we knew mc was holding back considerably I'd still say he lost those rounds I'd just say he only lost because he was holding back. While here I'm saying he lost those rounds because she's a more skilled fighter, and probably better at using her magic.

That is exactly right. It is in your opinion. You set some arbitrary rules that would support your claim, then want people accept these. There is only one truth in here. They fought, they knocked each other out, they drew. Anything else you say is just your interpretation, nothing more.

Holding back doesn't really matter here since nobody can agree with how much he was holding back or for how long, just that he was trying not to kill her initially. But even if we knew mc was holding back considerably I'd still say he lost those rounds I'd just say he only lost because he was holding back. While here I'm saying he lost those rounds because she's a more skilled fighter, and probably better at using her magic.

Of course holding back does matter. It really is not important how much he is holding back, he is holding back, which means he is not using his full potential while opponent using hers. Just because you say he lost, does not make him lose. Like I said, you put your own rules in a fight that does not follow your rules, then you claim one side lost because your rules says so. That's not how it works, sorry. I can do what you can do too. In a fight whoever has more blonde hair will lose the fight. According to those rules, Diana lost, terribly.

In the end, if you really really wanna go who won path. Then, Diana's goal was killing the twins. MC's goal was saving them. Since the twins are alive, then MC is the only winner of that fight because he is the one who reached their goal. So simple as you can see.

 

[Krytax123]

Because like I said earlier he might not have been trying to kill her but I don't really think that's the same as holding back. Mc is not a trained assassins that relies on lethal attacks and I feel like wind magic makes it pretty easy to incomasitate people. Basically the way he was fighting against her is the same way he fights everyone.

I think he was caught off guard maybe during the first round by how strong she was but I think he was at least going all out by the second round. All "I can't kill her" means to me is no stabbing in vitals, but Diana is clearly a better fighter in the first place and Mc only really got as far as he did in that fight because of his powers.

And I think not counting regen also matters because he's essentially admitting that Diana has more raw combat ability than he does. The regen essentially just allows him to fight longer.

Being allowed to fight longer is a very vital thing if we consider they are both depleting their reserves (and he regens faster).

But anyway i never got the feeling that were talking about who's more skilled or a better fighter. Thats CLEARY Diana which is very obvious during the whole fight. MC is HARD CARRIED by his nephilim powers the whole time, plenty of people are more skilled fighters.

Taron and Dalen are easy more skilled and better fighters too for example, probably even Kira and Pearl.

Its honestly kinda strange how bad of a fighter the mc is (occasionally) considering his background (kinda fighting since he's 10 years old), always caught off guard and stuff like that. This was already shown in the very beginning in the fight with the bandits

Hes a bit like goku in that regard too, oftentimes not serious (enough) and a bit dumb lol

But he's still more powerful than all of these and im pretty sure if you would put mc and diana in a arena and only one is able to get out alive, it would still be the mc in the end even tho he may would have needed to regenerate a few times lol

We dont even know if the MC even can be killed lol, Balthazar needed to get banished or sealed or something and is likely immortal

 

[storm1051787]

That is not boxing though. Also, the abilities of Diana caught MC off guard too. For those to be counted as rounds, like any sports that do that, there should be rules for it. Let's go with your analogy, in boxing it's not a round when someone goes down, it's when the bell rings. If an opponent gets up and good to fight, then the fight goes on. So even in your analogy, that does not work.

I'm sorry but being knocked/incapacitated counts as losing a fight. It doesn't matter if he can get back up later and go again. That's essentially just a rematch. If you got knocked out in a fight wouldn't you count that as a loss? Even if you were only knocked out for say 15 seconds or so.

That is exactly right. It is in your opinion.

It might be my opinion but it's a pretty sensible one. You not counting getting knocked out as having lost is just silly.

Of course holding back does matter. It really is not important how much he is holding back, he is holding back, which means he is not using his full potential while opponent using hers.

It doesn't matter because Mc was never fights to kill in the first place. Whether or not he was going for the kill really doesn't matter because mc isn't skilled in killing people in the first place.

Like I said, you put your own rules in a fight that does not follow your rules, then you claim one side lost because your rules says so. That's not how it works, sorry. I can do what you can do too. In a fight whoever has more blonde hair will lose the fight. According to those rules, Diana lost, terribly.

Dude this is a ton of cope. Mc got knocked out, mc lost. I'm not even the only person who saying he lost. I don't really care if you count the other fights as rounds.


Mc either lost or he tied. The only reason why we are this conversation is because YOU asked me why I kept saying Mc lost and I explained to you. I never claimed you had to take my logic for why I am counting it as a lost. The only thing I insisted on was that either way it clearly wasn't a win.

 

[storm1051787]

But anyway i never got the feeling that were talking about who's more skilled or a better fighter. Thats CLEARY Diana which is very obvious during the whole fight. MC is HARD CARRIED by his nephilim powers the whole time, plenty of people are more skilled fighters.

I was always talking about who was stronger.

Diana is clearly stronger and the mc was mostly just relying on his regen powers to be able to stay in the fight at all.

I just don't consider regen the same as being more powerful. I'm basically thinking in terms of dps.

 

[justin.case]

It's not going anywhere and I am against animal abuse, so I think it's best to leave the dead horse, with some dignity.

I'm sorry but being knocked/incapacitated counts as losing a fight. It doesn't matter if he can get back up later and go again. That's essentially just a rematch. If you got knocked out in a fight wouldn't you count that as a loss? Even if you were only knocked out for say 15 seconds or so.

Just wanted clear this part so I quoted. If you get up, the round is not finished. If you can't get up, there are no more rounds. So your analogy nor the rule you put make any sense in that regard.

Dude this is a ton of cope. Mc got knocked out, mc lost. I'm not even the only person who saying he lost. I don't really care if you count the other fights as rounds.

First of all it's not common consensus here. Also, here's a reading topic for you. Argumentum ad populum, it's an interesting one.

In the end, if you really really wanna go who won path. Then, Diana's goal was killing the twins. MC's goal was saving them. Since the twins are alive, then MC is the only winner of that fight because he is the one who reached their goal. So simple as you can see.

You say he clearly lost but you forgot to quote last part, here you go, cope with this.

 

[storm1051787]

If you get up, the round is not finished

If you get up right away the rounds not finished. Mc didn't

First of all it's not common consensus here. Also, here's a reading topic for you. Argumentum ad populum, it's an interesting one.

I don't care what the common consensus is. Me and several other people were saying he lost. You replied to me asking why I think he lost then started this weird argument where you seemed to have forgotten what you actually asked me and thought that I was telling you want to think.

I actually think it's kind of funny how you went on a rant about me making up my own rules supposedly when you literally asked me what my opinion was.

You say he clearly lost but you forgot to quote last part, here you go, cope with this.

I didn't forget. I ignored it because it's not really relevant. Like I said last reply and this one. You misunderstood what the conversation was about somehow. I'm kind of confused how the mix up started but I was never telling you what your opinion should be or that you should agree with mine. I was telling you why I have my opinion.


The only thing I'm actually adamant on is the mc didn't Win because Diana's last attack knocked him out. I don't really care if you consider it rounds like I do or consider the whole thing a draw.

The reason why I am saying it's cope and this reply of yours is cope because it's just such an incredibly silly argument. And it's like you're essentially blabbering nonsense just to try to tell me I'm wrong.


I'm not really sure what the lesson here is. Maybe read carefully? I've never seen someone forget what the actual conversation was about like you have.

 

[Krytax123]

I dont even know how we derailed to this point

Its not like it really matters or like the powerlevels/scaling would be very consistent

 

[justin.case]

I didn't forget. I ignored it because it's not really relevant. Like I said last reply and this one. You misunderstood what the conversation was about somehow. I'm kind of confused how the mix up started but I was never telling you what your opinion should be or that you should agree with mine. I was telling you why I have my opinion.

Just to be clear I was never arguing that any of you had to agree with me. The conversation started because you guys quoted me asking me what I thought. I'm not really sure how the earlier conversation started.

Maybe you should not say this,

I'm going to continue to say he just got his ass beat and all you guys are just coping.

if you were just stating your opinion. Dontcha think?

I dont even know how we derailed to this point

Its not like it really matters or like the powerlevels/scaling would be very consistent

 

[jadepaladin]

Well, that was a read. If you think you're gonna convince Storm of anything, you'll have the same amount of luck convincing Pix to not sacrifice the pirate twins at the first opportunity.

Nephilim is terrible at power scaling but what fantasy/anime/superpower story isn't? If you can think of one, look up the budget, and hand that money to Buu. Let's see what happens.

 

[storm1051787]

if you were just stating your opinion. Dontcha think?

Dude this is literally me saying that I'm going to continue with my opinion. How do you read this as me saying you should all think the same thing I do?

The comment is just me saying I don't really care what your opinion is.

 

[storm1051787]

Well, that was a read. If you think you're gonna convince Storm of anything,

That's not true. They convinced me he was holding back at the start. What they didn't convince me on is that he was holding back the whole time or even most of the fight.

 

[justin.case]

Pix to not sacrifice the pirate twins at the first opportunity.

Dude this is literally me saying that I'm going to continue with my opinion. How do you read this as me saying you should all think the same thing I do?

The comment is just me saying I don't really care what your opinion is.

I am guessing it has some sort of relation with this part,

Cope

In original definition, 'Cope' means someone who is creating an psychological defence of a more lighter belief to deal with a harsh truth. However, it could easily be used and misinterpretated by online trolls, usualy from Discord or 4Chan, in an attempt to convey mockery, trolling, defaminate and insulting, usualy those people have pathetic lives so they spend it tossing this word and insult/mock others to feed their superiority complex in online chats and/or forums.