VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.5] [BuuPlays]

[jadepaladin]

I can't say for this update yet im waiting till next month to play it. While I love Eliza and she is one of my favorite LI in AVN's. I liked her more before the MC started to fuck everything that moved. Lately I been enjoying spending time with Luna , Peral and Amelia a little more than Eliza other than a few moments here and there like the naked yoga / training and the date.

Well, when you get to the update, you'll get 1 out of 3 of those, so it's not a complete loss.

 

[Dessolos]

Well, when you get to the update, you'll get 1 out of 3 of those, so it's not a complete loss.

yeah figured I let some updates pile up while I play some AAA games and AVN's I don't care for in between might make an exception for 1 or 2 AVN's here or there. But this is a game that gets better if you let updates pile up imo

 

[storm1051787]

The two things MC pledged to do were protect Eliza and get revenge for his parents. In my mind those things take precident over what he wanted to be when he was 10, and what his parents wanted doesn't enter into it too much. His parents didn't want him to be an adventurer and if he could have asked them they probably would have told him to find Eliza and then take her and go back to the north where he came from and be a farmer. Whatever I did, I'd have Eliza next to me - unless it was something incredibly dangerous, and since she became a vampire, that's not much. If I could have I would have killed the Pirate twins, but in any case I certainly wouldn't bail on Eliza and run off to their rescue - I don't think even MC's parents would have encouraged him to do that.

I mean I don't really see why getting revenge and protecting Eliza gets in the way of wanting to be an adventure. You can have fun with the journey that's the whole point. Honestly not a single character felt deserving of death to me other than Talon. Even if you don't like the pirates killing them feels a lot like overkill and over dramatic. As for the MC's parents I think they would have liked the Mc to protect and help everyone who needs help. Not just have a singlar focused tunnel vision on a girl they literally never meet. His parents didn't want him to be an adventure because it's dangerous, but killing the pirate twins would have been the opposite of what his parents would have wanted. You like Eliza, I do too, but I don't think the entire world should revolve around her and that she should be the motivation for every action the MC makes.


Idk it feels your going all murder hobo over stuff that's not really a big deal. I never really liked to play rpgs like that.

 

[Saphfire]

To anyone to only wants to see Eliza, i´m pretty sure she will be absent from the game from the majority of chapter 6.
There is no sign that they will leave the island anytime soon, especially after 5.2.

 

[Pixillin']

I mean I don't really see why getting revenge and protecting Eliza gets in the way of wanting to be an adventure. You can have fun with the journey that's the whole point. Honestly not a single character felt deserving of death to me other than Talon. Even if you don't like the pirates killing them feels a lot like overkill and over dramatic. As for the MC's parents I think they would have liked the Mc to protect and help everyone who needs help. Not just have a singlar focused tunnel vision on a girl they literally never meet. His parents didn't want him to be an adventure because it's dangerous, but killing the pirate twins would have been the opposite of what his parents would have wanted. You like Eliza, I do too, but I don't think the entire world should revolve around her and that she should be the motivation for every action the MC makes.


Idk it feels your going all murder hobo over stuff that's not really a big deal. I never really liked to play rpgs like that.

I would have killed them for their betrayal - but even then if there were people who were duplicitous with you and who you didn't like at all regardless, why would you drop everything and rush to save them from the navy of the kingdom you're supposed to be serving? As I've said before when I left Kira and Pearl I had -3 trust points with Kira and 0 with Pearl. Why would they even think I'd come? And IIRC, his parents didn't want him to be an adventurer full stop. Pretty sure they wouldn't approve of what he's doing now. If I continued being an adventurer I would have Eliza beside me or I wouldn't go.

 

[Pixillin']

To anyone to only wants to see Eliza, i´m pretty sure she will be absent from the game from the majority of chapter 6.
There is no sign that they will leave the island anytime soon, especially after 5.2.

No probably not, but we still get little glimpses of what's going on with Eliza. So I'll keep going through them for that - though I'll Ctrl - skip through the rest of this "adventure" except for the parts with Eliza.

 

[Rehwyn]

I would have killed them for their betrayal - but even then if there were people who were duplicitous with you and who you didn't like at all regardless, why would you drop everything and rush to save them from the navy of the kingdom you're supposed to be serving? As I've said before when I left Kira and Pearl I had -3 trust points with Kira and 0 with Pearl. Why would they even think I'd come? And IIRC, his parents didn't want him to be an adventurer full stop. Pretty sure they wouldn't approve of what he's doing now. If I continued being an adventurer I would have Eliza beside me or I wouldn't go.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure his parents had no clue how powerful he'd be. And there's no reason you must be beholden to the wishes of your parents either. "With great power comes great responsibility" etc etc.

As for getting revenge for them, Taron is only the primary protagonist for Season 1 of 3 planned. So chances are MC either learns that the conspiracy runs deeper or moves on to bigger and better things.

 

[Krytax123]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure his parents had no clue how powerful he'd be. And there's no reason you must be beholden to the wishes of your parents either. "With great power comes great responsibility" etc etc.

As for getting revenge for them, Taron is only the primary protagonist for Season 1 of 3 planned. So chances are MC either learns that the conspiracy runs deeper or moves on to bigger and better things.

I mean balthazar is obviously the finaly enemy, isnt he? Battle of the nephilims?

Inbetween taron and him theres still the cult and all the other continents with vampires and whatnot to give enough serious enemys.

 

[Rehwyn]

I mean balthazar is obviously the finaly enemy, isnt he? Battle of the nephilims?

Inbetween taron and him theres still the cult and all the other continents with vampires and whatnot to give enough serious enemys.

Seems likely. Remains to be seen if he's involved in MC's parents deaths or not, or if the motive there is more of a general heroic or anti-hero (if Dark maybe) nature.

Main point is that it seems Taron will likely be taken care of one way or another relatively early, and we won't just retire to the country immediately afterwards.

 

[storm1051787]

I would have killed them for their betrayal - but even then if there were people who were duplicitous with you and who you didn't like at all regardless, why would you drop everything and rush to save them from the navy of the kingdom you're supposed to be serving? As I've said before when I left Kira and Pearl I had -3 trust points with Kira and 0 with Pearl. Why would they even think I'd come? And IIRC, his parents didn't want him to be an adventurer full stop. Pretty sure they wouldn't approve of what he's doing now. If I continued being an adventurer I would have Eliza beside me or I wouldn't go.

I mean that's the thing though I don't really consider it a betrayal in the first place since both of them were doing against their willIt feels like a lack of empathy to even hold a grudge against them over it, saying they deserve death just seems crazy but then again I've never really like to do the whole murderhobo dark side route when I play rpgs. You don't have to be a saint, but the whole I'm going to murder everyone who annoys me thing just feels to weird even in a game. If anything the fact that they immediately jumped to support the MC with a little coaxing is the real betrayal since they really shouldn't have had any loyalty to the mc.


And again they didn't want him to be an adventurer because it was dangerous, the mc is too op at this point for most common stuff to be a problem to him. They also wanted him to be a good person and likely wouldn't have liked the mc doing any dark side options.

 

[Pixillin']

To be fair, I'm pretty sure his parents had no clue how powerful he'd be. And there's no reason you must be beholden to the wishes of your parents either. "With great power comes great responsibility" etc etc.

As for getting revenge for them, Taron is only the primary protagonist for Season 1 of 3 planned. So chances are MC either learns that the conspiracy runs deeper or moves on to bigger and better things.

They did though. That's part, I think, of why they wanted him to stay home and be a farmer. They conjured the angel. They knew what he was. I want to get Taron and then we'll see. I may not continue to Part 2 if there's some kind of cannon where we have to be with a bunch of the Lis from part 1 because I have zero interest in them. I abandoned/deleted a different game yesterday for basically the same things. It started out with a main girl and a main goal, then it sort of changed the goal and wouldn't let you be with the main li - eventually sending her far away, then the "choices" became mainly about fending off dozens of other lis and then finally it forced you to be with some of the others, whether you wanted to or not. This, sadly, seems to be going in the same direction, but so far we haven't been forced to cheat on Eliza.

 

[Krytax123]

Seems likely. Remains to be seen if he's involved in MC's parents deaths or not, or if the motive there is more of a general heroic or anti-hero (if Dark maybe) nature.

Main point is that it seems Taron will likely be taken care of one way or another relatively early, and we won't just retire to the country immediately afterwards.

Thinking about it, MC's dad could become the final enemy too (even after balthazar), i suspect it was him who eradicted our fairys village and he doesnt seem to be the most empathetic being lol

 

[Pixillin']

I mean that's the thing though I don't really consider it a betrayal in the first place since both of them were doing against their willIt feels like a lack of empathy to even hold a grudge against them over it, saying they deserve death just seems crazy but then again I've never really like to do the whole murderhobo dark side route when I play rpgs. You don't have to be a saint, but the whole I'm going to murder everyone who annoys me thing just feels to weird even in a game. If anything the fact that they immidetly jumped to support the MC with a little coaxing is the real betrayal since they really shouldn't have had any loyalty to the mc.


And again they didn't want him to be an adventurer because it was dangerous, the mc is too op at this point for most common stuff to be a problem to him. They also wanted him to be a good person and likely wouldn't have liked the mc doing any dark side options.

But even if you don't murder them, you shouldn't be forced to rush to their aid either. I didn't do anything to indicate that I even liked either of them as friends and I do not. As I see it it's setting up a greater betrayal because if I ever get the chance to turn on them, I will - in a heartbeat.

 

[Dessolos]

I mean that's the thing though I don't really consider it a betrayal in the first place since both of them were doing against their willIt feels like a lack of empathy to even hold a grudge against them over it, saying they deserve death just seems crazy but then again I've never really like to do the whole murderhobo dark side route when I play rpgs. You don't have to be a saint, but the whole I'm going to murder everyone who annoys me thing just feels to weird even in a game. If anything the fact that they immidetly jumped to support the MC with a little coaxing is the real betrayal since they really shouldn't have had any loyalty to the mc.

Yeah I play the murder hobo in RPG's expect for in games like these and to me the only character that has deserved death is Selena. Peral and Kira really never did anything wrong other than lie about taking us to the island right away but taking us to her father first. As they didn't know us or why we wanted to go to the island. So hard to see it as a betrayal others said similar as me.

But even if you don't murder them, you shouldn't be forced to rush to their aid either. I didn't do anything to indicate that I even liked either of them as friends and I do not. As I see it it's setting up a greater betrayal because if I ever get the chance to turn on them, I will - in a heartbeat.

I disagree with this only for one reason I do not think having a negative score with a LI should mean they are taken out of the story. There are plenty LI I do not like in other games but I would hate it if all of sudden they weren't in the story anymore because of choices, I rather they stay in the story but they hate or betray the MC or something like that. For me it feels kind of disrespectful towards the dev to want to get rid of a character from the story. Basically what you want is to delete them from the story. Plus this isn't a game with heavy branching what you asking for is the dev to make 2 separate storylines.

 

[jadepaladin]

I kind of forgot all about any betrayal, implied or otherwise, once Pearl slipped on that bikini. Sad she changed into tribal clothes later.

 

[Pixillin']

Yeah I play the murder hobo in RPG's expect for in games like these and to me the only character that has deserved death is Selena. Peral and Kira really never did anything wrong other than lie about taking us to the island right away but taking us to her father first. As they didn't know us or why we wanted to go to the island. So hard to see it as a betrayal others said similar as me.


I disagree with this only for one reason I do not think having a negative score with a LI should mean they are taken out of the story. There are plenty LI I do not like in other games but I would hate it if all of sudden they weren't in the story anymore because of choices, I rather they stay in the story but they hate or betray the MC or something like that. For me it feels kind of disrespectful towards the dev to want to get rid of a character from the story. Basically what you want is to delete them from the story. Plus this isn't a game with heavy branching what you asking for is the dev to make 2 separate storylines.

What I'm really asking for, I think, is better writing so you have some reason to justify ditching Eliza and rushing to the aid of people who (IMO) betrayed you and who you formed no bond or friendship with. Ideally I'd like to not go at all, or go and then slow down so you're just a minute too late (oops) but I'd at least like to feel like MC has some reason for going without twisting my mind into a pretzel to justify it.

 

[Dessolos]

What I'm really asking for, I think, is better writing so you have some reason to justify ditching Eliza and rushing to the aid of people who (IMO) betrayed you and who you formed no bond or friendship with. Ideally I'd like to not go at all, or go and then slow down so you're just a minute too late (oops) but I'd at least like to feel like MC has some reason for going without twisting my mind into a pretzel to justify it.

yeah I agree with that much. I hated how the MC got the message. Hell I don't think we even saw what the message was the bird just showed up and gave the message to the MC in his mind or something. It felt really rushed and disappointing to be honest with the set up with the admiral heading to Looters Bay and the pirate Civil War. I think it needed a few more updates to get to the MC wanting to even going there.

 

[storm1051787]

What I'm really asking for, I think, is better writing so you have some reason to justify ditching Eliza and rushing to the aid of people who (IMO) betrayed you and who you formed no bond or friendship with. Ideally I'd like to not go at all, or go and then slow down so you're just a minute too late (oops) but I'd at least like to feel like MC has some reason for going without twisting my mind into a pretzel to justify it.

I mean you're only twisting your mind into a pretzel because you're going out of your way to view as enemies when the game has never really set them up to be enemies. The whole trust thing really feels more about the whole romance flags rather than setting up a friendship and the mc would have bonded with them over the course of the month that they were on the ship together and when you helped overthrow their dad even if you don't see it that way. Like I said the whole anti pirate thing feels weird to me, even if you didn't romance them insisting that they betrayed you feels silly

 

[Rehwyn]

What I'm really asking for, I think, is better writing so you have some reason to justify ditching Eliza and rushing to the aid of people who (IMO) betrayed you and who you formed no bond or friendship with. Ideally I'd like to not go at all, or go and then slow down so you're just a minute too late (oops) but I'd at least like to feel like MC has some reason for going without twisting my mind into a pretzel to justify it.

The reason is that at his core, MC has a desire to protect in general, and not just Eliza. He doesn't need a self-interested reason to want to help them (though obviously he has one in addition here since he considers them friends or lovers). That's one reason why he helps Luna, Amelia, the pirates, and likely dozens more unnamed others as part of his work with the adventurer's guild.

It's obvious there's a disconnect between MC's core values and priorities and what you think they should be. But ultimately, this is a visual novel and not a freeform role playing game. We may be able to influence some things with choices and Light/Dark path, but certain things are going to be immutable.

Revenge and protecting Eliza are important things to MC. But so is adventuring and protecting all his friends/lovers and people in general. I don't foresee that changing any time soon.

 

[Pixillin']

The reason is that at his core, MC has a desire to protect in general, and not just Eliza. He doesn't need a self-interested reason to want to help them (though obviously he has one in addition here since he considers them friends or lovers). That's one reason why he helps Luna, Amelia, the pirates, and likely dozens more unnamed others as part of his work with the adventurer's guild.

It's obvious there's a disconnect between MC's core values and priorities and what you think they should be. But ultimately, this is a visual novel and not a freeform role playing game. We may be able to influence some things with choices and Light/Dark path, but certain things are going to be immutable.

Revenge and protecting Eliza are important things to MC. But so is adventuring and protecting all his friends/lovers and people in general. I don't foresee that changing any time soon.

But how do you fit that with the "dark path" - I'm becoming convinced that that is the way to go with this one because I don't "like" any of the others - mainly because I don't think the writing has earned it. Other than fawning over the MC most of the Li seem almost entirely devoid of personality, or at least I don't find them interesting as characters on their own merits.