VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.9] [BuuPlays]

[Deleted member 6923157]

Hey, you haven't offended me in any way. I just wanted to address the subject as I've seen people comment on this over several updates, so I thought it would be good to just tell people why it is the way it is in the world of Nephilim.
Also Nephilim is not a HAREM, it's simply just a story that contains a very optional harem path that is not even very prominent, at least not as the mainstream harems you so often see in AVN's are.

As for why the mc doesn't go around telling the girls "Oh hey, btw I just got done fucking Alice, wanna make out?" is obviously because he knows this could cause tension or jealousy. The girls obviously talk amongst themselves offscreen often and will have broached the subject, none of them are interested in knowing or hearing about what they each do with the player.
There is also a scene written with Alice and Eliza discussing this however I don't think it appears until August or September update.

Just like sailors at sea don't come home from a long voyage and tell their wifes about the 13 wenches they hooked up with or merchants traveling months on the road doesn't tell their spouses about the innkeepers daughter or who it might be.

Women in this type of society very much expect and knows their partners (most of the time) will do these things as that's the norm. Men are free to do as they please while the wifes are not.
I hope that clears some of it up, as I said in the last post, sometimes the girls will mention it on screen but it will not happen that often.

But Buu! This is not fair? How can this be? Welcome to medieval times.

So no big Orgy or 3Some's like in NLT games? Damn...

 

[BuuPlays]

So no big Orgy or 3Some's like in NLT games? Damn...

There will be threesomes, I've actually just got done making the first one which is scheduled to appear in the September update if I recall. But there will be no threesomes between the main L.I's, only for side-chicks / one time chicks.

 

[Deleted member 6923157]

There will be threesomes, I've actually just got done making the first one which is scheduled to appear in the September update if I recall. But there will be no threesomes between the main L.I's, only for side-chicks / one time chicks.

No Eliza and Alicia? Damn...

 

[Double0Harambe]

damn bro milton the former guard turned into malpheon the diety of the undergound, what a step up. bro is going places

 

[DandelionTheBard]

Honestly, have to say how thoroughly impressed I am with the amount of content in this game. Chapter lengths are pleasantly surprising. Each time I think, "oh this must be where the chapter wraps," it keeps going.

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Enjoyable story overall. Beautiful renders. Smooth animations. Can't wait for the next update.

 

[AL.d]

Can't MC just go to a random priest and ask him about the 7th god? Or go to a library or something? What's the point of secrecy for something that's supposed to be common knowledge to anyone who isn't living under a rock like MC?

 

[indio68]

it's me or MC is being selfish?? he got many BJ and he didn't reciprocated once in last updates,,booo..i love this VN for the sotry mainly, but i would like MC and all the girls to live all togheter in the future..silph's discussion and prize seems leaning oward it...i hope so.

 

[Tokenugget]

Yes and no? I mean yes im mainly concerend about eliza tbh but the same would be the case for Kira for example and to a degree Alice. The pirates didnt knew shit, mc told them hes looking for the cure for "a friend" and not for his big love while he falls in love with kira but yeah my main issue is in fact Eliza's situation. But i dunno a kira-admirer maybe sees it problematic with her.

100% agree as far as Eliza is concerned. For as much as they proclaim their love for each other and the MC knowing she can get jealous... it makes sense for him to be completely honest with her.

As for Kira, i do very much like her story so i'm an admirer lol (strange how i read so many posts that they didn't like the pirate story line.... i found that story to be one of the best. Anyway) She seems like someone that wouldn't care. I mean her and Kelly both smush their boobies in his face while arguing about where the MC will sleep while recovering. It didn't come off as jealous possession. Then Kira tells Pearl the MC is "our man". And then Pearl abdKira tackle him with kisses all together.... She doesn't seems to care and probably knows the MC is a player.

As for Alice... I mean she has to know the MC and Eliza are a thing. She knows they sleep in the same bed and she even joined them both in bed while they were all naked. If she cared i'd be really surprised.

Yeah, im kinda just saying that i fear that it will feel very shitty when it happens and would have felt way less shitty with a proper (earlier) setup and communication from the mc. I can of course only speak for myself, but it would allow me to enjoy the harem path WAY more compared to how it is now.

I get it, but as Buu said, it's kind of an unspoken truth about this world... so i give it a pass.

Edit: Yo i did your dare by the way post 29,932 in the mentioned thread, could have done it there sooner anyway already. I think i mentioned it on reddit once about eternum and got flamed hard lmao

Respect, i expected more flaming

 

[Dessolos]

100% agree as far as Eliza is concerned. For as much as they proclaim their love for each other and the MC knowing she can get jealous... it makes sense for him to be completely honest with her.

As for Kira, i do very much like her story so i'm an admirer lol (strange how i read so many posts that they didn't like the pirate story line.... i found that story to be one of the best. Anyway) She seems like someone that wouldn't care. I mean her and Kelly both smush their boobies in his face while arguing about where the MC will sleep while recovering. It didn't come off as jealous possession. Then Kira tells Pearl the MC is "our man". And then Pearl abdKira tackle him with kisses all together.... She doesn't seems to care and probably knows the MC is a player.

As for Alice... I mean she has to know the MC and Eliza are a thing. She knows they sleep in the same bed and she even joined them both in bed while they were all naked. If she cared i'd be really surprised.


I get it, but as Buu said, it's kind of an unspoken truth about this world... so i give it a pass.

Yeah I'm also a pirate arc fan tho I do perfer Peral over Kira. It was probably one of my favorite parts of the game tbh even tho I did hate being away from Eliza lol. Honestly it was alot of fun for me . Only thing I didn't like about it , was how often Kira made moves on the MC if you turned her down once. I've yet to see any of the lewds from that arc as I only played it when I was on a Eliza solo path. But im currently replaying the game

About Alice I think she would care but only if Eliza doesnt agree to share the MC. Otherwise yeah I dont see her caring at all cause she is madly in love with the MC and all she wants is to be with him. Tho Buu did mention how Alice and Eliza gonna have a conversation with one another guessing about sharing the MC. So I cannot wait for that update

 

[Krytax123]

100% agree as far as Eliza is concerned. For as much as they proclaim their love for each other and the MC knowing she can get jealous... it makes sense for him to be completely honest with her.

As for Kira, i do very much like her story so i'm an admirer lol (strange how i read so many posts that they didn't like the pirate story line.... i found that story to be one of the best. Anyway) She seems like someone that wouldn't care. I mean her and Kelly both smush their boobies in his face while arguing about where the MC will sleep while recovering. It didn't come off as jealous possession. Then Kira tells Pearl the MC is "our man". And then Pearl abdKira tackle him with kisses all together.... She doesn't seems to care and probably knows the MC is a player.

Yeah youre probably right about Kira, tbh i dont give this much of a fuck about her but she would probably dont care yeah (i would maybe really like her more if i wouldnt feel shitty for the mc falling in love with her and the other way around haha, thats why i have less troubels with kelly for exampe as it feels more casual.

As for Alice... I mean she has to know the MC and Eliza are a thing. She knows they sleep in the same bed and she even joined them both in bed while they were all naked. If she cared i'd be really surprised.
I get it, but as Buu said, it's kind of an unspoken truth about this world... so i give it a pass.

Yeah not gonna lie Buu's statement that there will be a talk between Eliza and Alice kinda soon makes me view the whole situation way more relaxed. The MC, Eliza, Alica combination troubled me without their knowledge/communication the most.

As long as i can be honest with Eliza, i dont mind fucking everyone else

The one time makeing out with Alice in the bed with a sleeping injurged eliza felt very weird for me because of that and wouldnt have been a problem at all if they would have talked about it at that point already and you knew Eliza wouldnt mind.

Respect, i expected more flaming

Yeah it was a pretty tame and respectful discussion, i was surprised too. But it think its more or less just a accepted fact that a proper harem/relationship setup rarely happens in avns and everyone just is used to it at this point.

 

[NoMansMind]

I just love how you can go full Darth Vader after what happens to Eliza.

 

[Dessolos]

I just love how you can go full Darth Vader after what happens to Eliza.

yeah that's my favorite way to play nice and calm then scorched Earth when it comes to Eliza lol.

 

[ktemanuel]

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[The Pointman]

yeah that's my favorite way to play nice and calm then scorched Earth when it comes to Eliza lol.

How it should be done.

 

[ename144]

I can see there seems to be some people still confused as to how a medieval, male dominated society works. If you wish to play Nephilim with your 2024 morals of a modern day earth, you're free to do so, but expecting it to apply in the lore and story taking place here is downright silly.

There is no such thing as male cheating in Nephilim. A man single or married can take multiple wifes, mistresses, lovers, concubines or whatever else suits him and some women accept it as its the way its always been for them, some of the women may not like it but will still accept it as that's how their society works.

If you're on multiple girls path, the girls will not be yapping on and on about them all being in love with the player in front of each other as they feel that will just cause tension and jealousy. Sometimes a couple of the girls will address their feelings with each other but it will be far from the norm as they mostly prefer to just not think about it.

You can call it cheating, man-whoring, harem, call it pluto if that makes you happy, but that's the how the setting for Nephilim's human society works. If you wish to stay loyal to one girl, do so. If you wish to enjoy the company of all the heroines, do so.

/rant over

That's not a very good argument, Buu. First, because you should expect your players to bring their 2024 morals to the story. We're playing it 2024, right? If you want us to apply a different lens to the events in game, it's up to you to establish that perspective within the game itself, not in a rant on a third-party forum. We've had plenty of time to show that polygamy and affairs are commonplace or that women recognize their lot as second class, but I can't recall any instances of that.

If anything, the impressions we get are the opposite. Kelly's mom was eager to defy her husband so that Kelly could live her own life. King Bennen has only a single (female) heir and (AFAWK) never took additional concubines/wives to supplement that, nor does he consider taking a second wife as an alternate means of securing the kingdom. Queen Merida pontificates at great length how disappointed she was when her 'fairy tale' marriage turns out to be less than romantic, which strongly implies love and devotion are the ideals people espouse publicly - even if reality falls short of the ideal.

Second, on every other subject, the behavior of almost every character in the game is thoroughly modern. Women may join - and even lead - guilds without issue. The King is eager to dispense with formalities when meeting with the MC. No one bats an eye when the Queen entertains a male stranger in her bedchamber. That isn't how medieval society worked, either. Combine these discrepancies with literal magic and non-human races and I frankly see no reason why we would guess society in Nephilim isn't just as egalitarian as our own, to say nothing of it being dramatically less so.

Basically, if you want the MC to play the field without coming of as a cad, you need to do a better job establishing the norm.

 

[BuuPlays]

That's not a very good argument, Buu. First, because you should expect your players to bring their 2024 morals to the story. We're playing it 2024, right? If you want us to apply a different lens to the events in game, it's up to you to establish that perspective within the game itself, not in a rant on a third-party forum. We've had plenty of time to show that polygamy and affairs are commonplace or that women recognize their lot as second class, but I can't recall any instances of that.

If anything, the impressions we get are the opposite. Kelly's mom was eager to defy her husband so that Kelly could live her own life. King Bennen has only a single (female) heir and (AFAWK) never took additional concubines/wives to supplement that, nor does he consider taking a second wife as an alternate means of securing the kingdom. Queen Merida pontificates at great length how disappointed she was when her 'fairy tale' marriage turns out to be less than romantic, which strongly implies love and devotion are the ideals people espouse publicly - even if reality falls short of the ideal.

Second, on every other subject, the behavior of almost every character in the game is thoroughly modern. Women may join - and even lead - guilds without issue. The King is eager to dispense with formalities when meeting with the MC. No one bats an eye when the Queen entertains a male stranger in her bedchamber. That isn't how medieval society worked, either. Combine these discrepancies with literal magic and non-human races and I frankly see no reason why we would guess society in Nephilim isn't just as egalitarian as our own, to say nothing of it being dramatically less so.

Basically, if you want the MC to play the field without coming of as a cad, you need to do a better job establishing the norm.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I guess we'll have to leave it at that.

 

[Meehaha]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I guess we'll have to leave it at that.
[/QUOTE Someone seems to have not noticed this is not a medieval game, but a fantasy game. Don't really seem to remember anything about Nephilim's, Fairy's or people openly using magic in my reading of history. Liking what you are doing and guess fantasy morals apply which are decided by you as the developer. If it was truly medieval half the cast would be burnt at the stake.

 

[Wolfeszorn]

That's not a very good argument, Buu. First, because you should expect your players to bring their 2024 morals to the story. We're playing it 2024, right? If you want us to apply a different lens to the events in game, it's up to you to establish that perspective within the game itself, not in a rant on a third-party forum. We've had plenty of time to show that polygamy and affairs are commonplace or that women recognize their lot as second class, but I can't recall any instances of that.

If anything, the impressions we get are the opposite. Kelly's mom was eager to defy her husband so that Kelly could live her own life. King Bennen has only a single (female) heir and (AFAWK) never took additional concubines/wives to supplement that, nor does he consider taking a second wife as an alternate means of securing the kingdom. Queen Merida pontificates at great length how disappointed she was when her 'fairy tale' marriage turns out to be less than romantic, which strongly implies love and devotion are the ideals people espouse publicly - even if reality falls short of the ideal.

Second, on every other subject, the behavior of almost every character in the game is thoroughly modern. Women may join - and even lead - guilds without issue. The King is eager to dispense with formalities when meeting with the MC. No one bats an eye when the Queen entertains a male stranger in her bedchamber. That isn't how medieval society worked, either. Combine these discrepancies with literal magic and non-human races and I frankly see no reason why we would guess society in Nephilim isn't just as egalitarian as our own, to say nothing of it being dramatically less so.

Basically, if you want the MC to play the field without coming of as a cad, you need to do a better job establishing the norm.

Based take. And i agree with all of it. On top of that, directly after you pick the Harem option during the talk with Borri, you lose a trust point with him and he explicitly tells you that "Entertaining multiple women never ends well" and to "follow your heart to find the one for you cuz that´s the most pure and intense emotion you´ll ever feel ".

That doesn´t sound like polygamy is the norm in this universe, but whatever The dev "wholeheartedly disagrees" without a counter argument so all the points you brought up have to be wrong

Whatever.... still like the game even with those logic errors

 

[Dessolos]

This is how I see the whole harem thing or whatever is im somewhere in the middle where I agree both with Buu and the people that have an issue with it. As I do think it should of been showcased alot earlier in the story as Eliza's dialogue / her thougths does feel like it kind of go against the whole it's normal for men to have more than one partner in their society. As well as it does feel a bit weird for the MC to sleep around with how in love he is with Eliza and some of the things he says to her. As well what Borri tells the MC if you pick the harem option.

The thing is those are her thoughts but she doesn't know the MC is sleeping around. Which is why I think Buu is planning and having Alice and Eliza have some kind of conversation. To show how she is fine with it and isn't a big deal and doesn't mind sharing despite that was her thoughts with Selena. I think why Eliza never showed any concern with Alice even tho she should of worried about Alice more than Selena if this was a modern society . Simply because Alice was a childhood friend and always acted kind and innocent and not coming onto the MC while clearly Alice is in love with him which I assume Eliza could tell. While Selena came onto the MC strong before ever getting to know her or the MC and she just never liked the way she acted.

As well we only have a small sample size to compare to. Only one where Eliza is jealous and one she is not until the pirates show back up or someone else comes into play it's hard for me to say Eliza has a problem with sharing or not and it goes against what were told what the norm is for their society until we do. As I think even in such a society probably normal to not like or feel jealous of 1 or 2 partners here and there. As well Eliza never did or said anything to Selena or the MC on how she doesnt want to share or is jealous. Since I think actions matter more than personal thoughts cause it's easy to have personal thoughts that go against something but still accept it with your actions.

Anyways that's my thoughts on the whole thing. I see issues but I don't see enough of an issue to disagree with what Buu as told us either.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

This is how I see the whole harem thing or whatever is im somewhere in the middle where I agree both with Buu and the people that have an issue with it. As I do think it should of been showcased alot earlier in the story as Eliza's dialogue / her thougths does feel like it kind of go against the whole it's normal for men to have more than one partner in their society. As well as it does feel a bit weird for the MC to sleep around with how in love he is with Eliza and some of the things he says to her. As well what Borri tells the MC if you pick the harem option.

The thing is those are her thoughts but she doesn't know the MC is sleeping around. Which is why I think Buu is planning and having Alice and Eliza have some kind of conversation. To show how she is fine with it and isn't a big deal and doesn't mind sharing despite that was her thoughts with Selena. I think why Eliza never showed any concern with Alice even tho she should of worried about Alice more than Selena if this was a modern society . Simply because Alice was a childhood friend and always acted kind and innocent and not coming onto the MC while clearly Alice is in love with him which I assume Eliza could tell. While Selena came onto the MC strong before ever getting to know her or the MC and she just never liked the way she acted.

As well we only have a small sample size to compare to. Only one where Eliza is jealous and one she is not until the pirates show back up or someone else comes into play it's hard for me to say Eliza has a problem with sharing or not and it goes against what were told what the norm is for their society until we do. As I think even in such a society probably normal to not like or feel jealous of 1 or 2 partners here and there. As well Eliza never did or said anything to Selena or the MC on how she doesnt want to share or is jealous. Since I think actions matter more than personal thoughts cause it's easy to have personal thoughts that go against something but still accept it with your actions.

Anyways that's my thoughts on the whole thing. I see issues but I don't see enough of an issue to disagree with what Buu as told us either.

Good points Dessolos as always.

For me, the MC is a Nephilim, and as a Nephilim, he doesn't necessarily act or think like 'normal' people. Its a fantasy world so BUU can build it the way he likes it, it doesn't have to suit 24th century norms or even medieval norms, that is the beauty of fantasy worlds and the danger of fantasy worlds. Its a fine line. Its BUU's world and he is building it with his vision. Readers don't have to like it and we are free to walk away as I nearly did with the Eliza-vampire thing. I didn't want to see one of my fav characters become a heartless killer. It wasn't for me, but now we have a choice.

In saying that, I'm not a fan of cheating in most scenarios. The MC being a Nephilim who does act differently, will have to come face to face with how the 'normal' world works and/or how Eliza sees their relationship, that is yet to come in the game. So for now, the MC is doing his thing and I'm interested to see how that plays out.