VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.9] [BuuPlays]

[Rehwyn]

Plus imo its very awkward to have two cute/sweet/wholesome romances at the exactly same time (Eliza & Kira) where the mc is all over them emotionally, it just makes it dishonest/less believeable to me. The way he interacts with Alice or Luna for example feels way more fitting for a situation like that.

That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. Personally, I don't see an inherent conflict between having more than one sweet/wholesome romance if it's consensual (not personally in a poly relationship, but comfortable with the idea and know several people that are in long-term committed ones).

The fact MC doesn't talk about consensual non-monogamy does make it feel sketchier to me, but the dev has essentially said that's the societal expectation and there won't be much discussion about it, so I've had to suspend my disbelief in that particular matter. I kind of just mentally handwaved that my MC would have talked about it off-camera.

to add on to you what you said doesn't help she doesn't take a hint and you have to deny her like 3 or 4 times within the same storyline arc. Besides the romance moving to fast. I wouldn't of minded her a romance / her character if it didn't happen so quickly felt like to much to quick.

I think feeling this way is likely due to a disconnect between player time vs game time. We have like, what, a week of in-game time with Eliza before reaching the capital? And I don't think her injury is much longer after that. But that's many hours of player time. By comparison, the sailing journey to Inmortui is supposedly a month, but is like 1 hour or less of game time. So even if chronologically MC has had quite a bit of time to grow close to Kira (possibly even more time than Eliza), it could feel rushed to a player since there's a lot less player time getting to know them.

 

[Krytax123]

That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. Personally, I don't see an inherent conflict between having more than one sweet/wholesome romance if it's consensual (not personally in a poly relationship, but comfortable with the idea and know several people that are in long-term committed ones).

The fact MC doesn't talk about consensual non-monogamy does make it feel sketchier to me, but the dev has essentially said that's the societal expectation and there won't be much discussion about it, so I've had to suspend my disbelief in that particular matter. I kind of just mentally handwaved that my MC would have talked about it off-camera.

Yeah we had long discussions here about the sketchiness of keeping LI's a secret and Buu participated in that, hes says its normal in this society (despite Eliza's jealousy and thoughts about that .. ) and thats it kinda. We got a conversation between Alice and Eliza now which clarified that both are aware of it at least.

About the poly point, yeah thats just a personality thing i guess.

I just cant imagine ever loving a girl whos at the same time in love with another guy and its the same the other way around.

Maaaaybe i would be able to fall equally in love at the same time with two girls (i very much doubt it) but even than it would kinda damage their characters for me if they just accept it. I guess i like a certain kind (to a degree) of possesiveness in relationships lmao

I like how its handled with Luna (when already being in a relationship with Eliza and whoever else), its kinda casual and the MC is confident yet feelings can develop and its not a simple fuckbuddy relationship.

I just couldnt really take the mc nonstop drooling/worshipping Eliza in his thoughts just to step on a ship and immediatly switch to apply the same behavior to kira lol

 

[Rehwyn]

Yeah we had long discussions here about the sketchiness of keeping LI's a secret and Buu participated in that, hes says its normal in this society (despite Eliza's jealousy and thoughts about that .. ) and thats it kinda. We got a conversation between Alice and Eliza now which clarified that both are aware of it at least.

Yeah, I've skimmed through some older conversations on the topic so I've come to terms with it. The Alice and Eliza scene helps, and in the newest update there's a very minor playful teasing interaction between Eliza and Sylph that also hints to this.

About the poly point, yeah thats just a personality thing i guess.

I just cant imagine ever loving a girl whos at the same time in love with another guy and its the same the other way around.

Maaaaybe i would be able to fall equally in love at the same time with two girls (i very much doubt it) but even than it would kinda damage their characters for me if they just accept it. I guess i like a certain kind (to a degree) of possesiveness in relationships lmao

I like how its handled with Luna (when already being in a relationship with Eliza and whoever else), its kinda casual and the MC is confident yet feelings can develop and its not a simple fuckbuddy relationship.

I just couldnt really take the mc nonstop drooling/worshipping Eliza in his thoughts just to step on a ship and immediatly switch to apply the same behavior to kira lol

Yeah, poly isn't for everyone and that's okay. I do also agree that from a player perspective, MC definitely is into Kira very quickly. I think that's largely because something like a month of in-game time takes less than an hour of play time as they sail to the island haha. I'm pretty good at mentally filling in time gaps like that I suppose.

 

[Dessolos]

I just couldnt really take the mc nonstop drooling/worshipping Eliza in his thoughts just to step on a ship and immediatly switch to apply the same behavior to kira lol

Funny enough I didn't mind all that mushy lovely dovey stuff with Eliza but with Kira it was actually putting me to sleep. Probably cause it was too quick and I didn't feel anything for her. While I feel something more for Luna , Alice even the princess and I believe they have less content than Kira lol.

 

[Rehwyn]

Funny enough I didn't mind all that mushy lovely dovey stuff with Eliza but with Kira it was actually putting me to sleep. Probably cause it was too quick and I didn't feel anything for her. While I feel something more for Luna , Alice even the princess and I believe they have less content than Kira lol.

I'm convinced a lot of that is because Kira goes from "hi, we've barely met" to "we've spent weeks at sea together" without much player time in-between, but Luna and Alice have a lot of interludes with other characters and plot between their scenes. So even if their total time is similar or less, it's spread out more.

 

[ename144]

I'm convinced a lot of that is because Kira goes from "hi, we've barely met" to "we've spent weeks at sea together" without much player time in-between, but Luna and Alice have a lot of interludes with other characters and plot between their scenes. So even if their total time is similar or less, it's spread out more.

There's also the issue that Kira's tsundere schtick requires her to reverse her initial position. Alice was pining after the MC for years, and Luna started neutral and warmed to him quickly, so it's no surprise they get all touchy-feely very quickly; it's a straightforward continuation of their initial arc. But Kira makes a huge show of how NOT into the MC she is, yet she proceeds to get even more touchy-feely in a very short amount of screen time.

Sure, we know her initial act was protesting a little TOO loudly, but she still has to overcome that internal block before the relationship can get off the ground. That should slow Kira down at least a little bit, but in practice it doesn't. Combine that with the story skipping over the weeks they spent traveling together and it's easy to see why Kira's path feels so much more rushed than some of the others.

 

[Mmushy]

Kira is the red haired pirate? Yea, don't really care for her.
I like the Royal maid

 

[Skep-tiker]

Kira is the red haired pirate? Yea, don't really care for her.
I like the Royal maid

I dont even remmember her very much, but i didnt like the pirate plot anyways. As far as i'm concerned, they may stay at their port.

 

[DevinHesi]

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[malaac2025]

warning the evil choice don't do crap except change some abilities

So which is the better choice than? Which ability is better?

 

[TigerWolfe]

and they aren't even evil either

Murdering a girl because her sister "betrayed" you is pretty fucking evil by every standard of the term...

 

[MiltonPowers]

Murdering a girl because her sister "betrayed" you is pretty fucking evil by every standard of the term...

It is evil, but I thought it justified. I would have much preferred to kill the betrayer herself, but I played the cards I was dealt. (And leaving her alive, gave Eliza some revenge too).

 

[Dessolos]

It is evil, but I thought it justified. I would have much preferred to kill the betrayer herself, but I played the cards I was dealt. (And leaving her alive, gave Eliza some revenge too).

Honestly I only did that option because I figured it's something my MC would do all he cares about is Eliza he would go scorched Earth for Eliza so that's how I played it. Personally I dont think going the light option makes that much sense for my MC right there but that is just me I know many would disagree. Most other AVN's I probably wouldn't do something like that.

 

[TigerWolfe]

It is evil, but I thought it justified. I would have much preferred to kill the betrayer herself, but I played the cards I was dealt. (And leaving her alive, gave Eliza some revenge too).

Yeah no not for me killing her or her sister is fucked.

 

[shitass1001]

Yeah no not for me killing her or her sister is fucked.

"you betrayed me, I am gonna kill your sister!" what did he mean by this?

 

[TigerWolfe]

"you betrayed me, I am gonna kill your sister!" what did he mean by this?

Reference to the girl who sold MC out to the BBEG* causing Eliza to get hurt. After that you have the option to kill her sister.

BBEG has her sister captive, and she was told Eliza wouldn't be hurt... And she'd known MC for like 3 minutes, seems crazy to me how so many folks treat that like a death worthy betrayal.


*big bad evil guy, for anyone who's unfamiliar with that acronym

 

[Skep-tiker]

Reference to the girl who sold MC out to the BBEG* causing Eliza to get hurt. After that you have the option to kill her sister.

BBEG has her sister captive, and she was told Eliza wouldn't be hurt... And she'd known MC for like 3 minutes, seems crazy to me how so many folks treat that like a death worthy betrayal.


*big bad evil guy, for anyone who's unfamiliar with that acronym

Agree, her sister is innocent, as she havent had any say in that. Herself, well, thats another story.

 

[Deleted member 7769805]

Reference to the girl who sold MC out to the BBEG* causing Eliza to get hurt. After that you have the option to kill her sister.

BBEG has her sister captive, and she was told Eliza wouldn't be hurt... And she'd known MC for like 3 minutes, seems crazy to me how so many folks treat that like a death worthy betrayal.


*big bad evil guy, for anyone who's unfamiliar with that acronym

Well killing her is okay, we got nothing better to do, do we ?

 

[mamarrachojose]

Hi everyone!
Now I'm at the part of the story where Tazzy makes her first appearance.
I can't help but think that tazzy is the chronicle keeper of the Dovahkiin (Skyrim's Mod)... Last time i played skyrim was years ago

Is this confirmed? or i'm imagining things? i search in the forum, but can't find any reference

 

[shitass1001]

Hi everyone!
Now I'm at the part of the story where Tazzy makes her first appearance.
I can't help but think that tazzy is the chronicle keeper of the Dovahkiin (Skyrim's Mod)... Last time i played skyrim was years ago

Is this confirmed? or i'm imagining things? i search in the forum, but can't find any reference

I dont remember who Tazzy is but I assume she isnt a reference to Skyrim, maybe she referenced it in her dialogue, but I dont think they would make an entire character a reference to another game