VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.9] [BuuPlays]

[TrixRabbit]

Well I don't agree with any of them disappearing for me it would make the game a tad dull and lifeless to me. But I do agree Eliza is what makes the game without her I wouldn't like it so much her scenes are always the best. Like the last update when they were doing naked yoga or whatever it was perfect as the scene wasn't about it being sexual the entire time only towards the end it was just Eliza being Eliza which comes with the scene being goofy , funny , wholesome and just enjoyable all around.

It's not my game to write, but at this point I'd forget about the whole revenge thing if I could stay with Eliza. If MC really has to go without her, then we should stay with Eliza and follow her story and he can briefly fill her in on what happened when he gets back. Anyway, I'll play the next update just to see what's going to happen for the next little while and then I'll be done for awhile. MC promised Eliza way back in Chapter 2? 3? that he'd never leave her alone but he seems to do that almost all the time now. I'm starting to dislike MC.

 

[Dessolos]

It's not my game to write, but at this point I'd forget about the whole revenge thing if I could stay with Eliza. If MC really has to go without her, then we should stay with Eliza and follow her story and he can briefly fill her in on what happened when he gets back. Anyway, I'll play the next update just to see what's going to happen for the next little while and then I'll be done for awhile. MC promised Eliza way back in Chapter 2? 3? that he'd never leave her alone but he seems to do that almost all the time now. I'm starting to dislike MC.

yeah im waiting to see the reason as to why. I kind of knew he was but just didn't want to say incase I was wrong. The first time he left her he had a good reason. This time I can't think of a good reason he would do so unless he is afraid Taron might do something to the others while he is away and I would agree with her staying behind if that is reason. However if it's just a gut feeling that wouldn't be good enough for me. id like there to be some kind of proof or something else bad happen and he has to pick does he help out the pirates sisters or stay and help out his friends in the city. Or better yet Eliza helps out 1 set of friends and he helps out the pirates that would be acceptable to me if something bad happens to them right before the voyage.

About disliking the MC I will say I really disliked how after getting out of the dungeons he went and saw Eliza last she should of been FIRST.

 

[Pixillin']

It's not my game to write, but at this point I'd forget about the whole revenge thing if I could stay with Eliza. If MC really has to go without her, then we should stay with Eliza and follow her story and he can briefly fill her in on what happened when he gets back. Anyway, I'll play the next update just to see what's going to happen for the next little while and then I'll be done for awhile. MC promised Eliza way back in Chapter 2? 3? that he'd never leave her alone but he seems to do that almost all the time now. I'm starting to dislike MC.

Yep, there is no good reason unless she's paralyzed again.

 

[TrixRabbit]

yeah im waiting to see the reason as to why. I kind of knew he was but just didn't want to say incase I was wrong. The first time he left her he had a good reason. This time I can't think of a good reason he would do so unless he is afraid Taron might do something to the others while he is away and I would agree with her staying behind if that is reason. However if it's just a gut feeling that wouldn't be good enough for me. id like there to be some kind of proof or something else bad happen and he has to pick does he help out the pirates sisters or stay and help out his friends in the city. Or better yet Eliza helps out 1 set of friends and he helps out the pirates that would be acceptable to me if something bad happens to them right before the voyage.

About disliking the MC I will say I really disliked how after getting out of the dungeons he went and saw Eliza last she should of been FIRST.

I would be even less likely to leave Eliza alone if I thought Taron might come back. No excuse is going to be good enough this time and honestly, once the reunion comes in the fall I'll probably play through everything in between with the skip button and a walk through mod. And I agree that Eliza should have been first - the entire last update should have just been MC and Eliza.

 

[Dessolos]

I would be even less likely to leave Eliza alone if I thought Taron might come back. No excuse is going to be good enough this time and honestly, once the reunion comes in the fall I'll probably play through everything in between with the skip button and a walk through mod. And I agree that Eliza should have been first - the entire last update should have just been MC and Eliza.

See I disagree as I think Eliza can handle Taron he doesn't seem like a threat to any supernatural beings. Like the MC or Eliza. Now if it's about the MC getting revenge well that's a different story , but I kind of want Eliza to kill Taron more than the MC right now.

 

[TrixRabbit]

See I disagree as I think Eliza can handle Taron he doesn't seem like a threat to any supernatural beings. Like the MC or Eliza. Now if it's about the MC getting revenge well that's a different story , but I kind of want Eliza to kill Taron more than the MC right now.

She might be able to, though Eliza might be in trouble if Taron uses her mom against her. The point is that I wouldn't leave Eliza alone. I was upset that they weren't sleeping in the same place in town. It's the Devs story to tell but he keeps throwing away the best part of the story. MC's relationship with Eliza (and Eliza's general presence) is what makes this story work - when she's not there, it doesn't.

 

[Dessolos]

She might be able to, though Eliza might be in trouble if Taron uses her mom against her. The point is that I wouldn't leave Eliza alone. I was upset that they weren't sleeping in the same place in town. It's the Devs story to tell but he keeps throwing away the best part of the story. MC's relationship with Eliza (and Eliza's general presence) is what makes this story work - when she's not there, it doesn't.

Yeah I admit since we got back and we helped purify Eliza it feels like Eliza time isn't as important anymore to the MC to me. While some of the plot points do work without her it also lacks the charm when she was involved more with things like at the start of the game. I didn't mind sleeping in the castle but the entire time I was thinking why can't we ask if we can bring Eliza with us to the castle , so she didn't have to be alone at night.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Yeah I admit since we got back and we helped purify Eliza it feels like Eliza time isn't as important anymore to the MC to me. While some of the plot points do work without her it also lacks the charm when she was involved more with things like at the start of the game. I didn't mind sleeping in the castle but the entire time I was thinking why can't we ask if we can bring Eliza with us to the castle , so she didn't have to be alone at night.

I suspect that it’s because the dev wants to give us alone time with the other lid but for me there are no other lis - there are only a few that I even like and none I want to fuck.

 

[Dessolos]

I suspect that it’s because the dev wants to give us alone time with the other lid but for me there are no other lis - there are only a few that I even like and none I want to fuck.

yeah I assume that's the reason as well. Which is reasonable tbh. I just wish we didn't have to sleep without Eliza as I dont like the maids that keep showing up.

 

[Pixillin']

I suspect that it’s because the dev wants to give us alone time with the other lid but for me there are no other lis - there are only a few that I even like and none I want to fuck.

Same. I like Sylph (mainly because she's a good friend to Eliza - and MC keeps leaving Eliza alone), I'll probably give the bartender a job at the farm if she really wants one ... but that's the extent of it, she'd be a girl who works at the farm and that's about it. Everyone I either want to kill (the pirate girls), they annoy me and I wish they weren't around (Alice, Luna) or I just don't really give a fuck one way or the other about them.

 

[Dessolos]

Same. I like Sylph (mainly because she's a good friend to Eliza - and MC keeps leaving Eliza alone), I'll probably give the bartender a job at the farm if she really wants one ... but that's the extent of it, she'd be a girl who works at the farm and that's about it. Everyone I either want to kill (the pirate girls), they annoy me and I wish they weren't around (Alice, Luna) or I just don't really give a fuck one way or the other about them.

For me when it comes to the house / farm I'd just get rid of Sylph she annoys me , No Kira yes to Peral. Alice sometimes if she can tone down how desperate she is for our affection and attention cause I do like her but she is starting to be a bit to much at times. The maids can stay in the castle. Otherwise id let everyone else so far live with me or visit whenever they want.

 

[ModiThorrson]

yeah I assume that's the reason as well. Which is reasonable tbh. I just wish we didn't have to sleep without Eliza as I dont like the maids that keep showing up.

To be fair this is the common issue in every harem game, in order to give fair representation to each LI others have to get sidelined. I would much rather have half or less of the LIs and see more of each of them than have a million LIs that you pump and dump.

 

[Pixillin']

To be fair this is the common issue in every harem game, in order to give fair representation to each LI others have to get sidelined. I would much rather have half or less of the LIs and see more of each of them than have a million LIs that you pump and dump.

I'd rather get rid of the harem entirely - or at least make it more like Between Two Worlds where there are a few Lis but one main li and being with anyone else is completely optional.

 

[Rehwyn]

To be fair this is the common issue in every harem game, in order to give fair representation to each LI others have to get sidelined. I would much rather have half or less of the LIs and see more of each of them than have a million LIs that you pump and dump.

Yeah, I enjoy good poly/harem games, but they definitely can get "watered down" when the number of LIs gets too high. In my experience, I find a sweet spot of between 2-6 works best for me in most cases.

I'd rather get rid of the harem entirely - or at least make it more like Between Two Worlds where there are a few Lis but one main li and being with anyone else is completely optional.

Asides from the number of potential LIs, aren't all of them optional in Nephilim too? If you aren't on the harem path for BTW, you'll still be missing scenes just like in Nephilim. Just feels less impactful because there's less proportionately.

 

[Pixillin']

Yeah, I enjoy good poly/harem games, but they definitely can get "watered down" when the number of LIs gets too high. In my experience, I find a sweet spot of between 2-6 works best for me in most cases.

Asides from the number of potential LIs, aren't all of them optional in Nephilim too? If you aren't on the harem path for BTW, you'll still be missing scenes just like in Nephilim. Just feels less impactful because there's less proportionality.

In BTW - there is a certified main li, you sleep next to her every night and you can be with the others (who are friends of hers more than yours) with her permission - even encouragement - but they are definitely side girls, and you still sleep next to the main Li every night. I haven't actually done the "harem" route in BTW so I wouldn't know but I like that the main Li is the main Li and your constant companion/partner/bed mate and the others basically have "additional content" tattooed on their foreheads. In BTW individual relationships are optional but you leave the main li behind almost all the time at this point - it's like she gets demoted to side girl status as soon as the others start arriving en masse. Sadly, one of the selling points of the upcoming chapter was "new love interests!" .. *sigh*.

 

[Rehwyn]

In BTW - there is a certified main li, you sleep next to her every night and you can be with the others (who are friends of hers more than yours) with her permission - even encouragement - but they are definitely side girls, and you still sleep next to the main Li every night. I haven't actually done the "harem" route in BTW so I wouldn't know but I like that the main Li is the main Li and your constant companion/partner/bed mate and the others basically have "additional content" tattooed on their foreheads. In BTW individual relationships are optional but you leave the main li behind almost all the time at this point - it's like she gets demoted to side girl status as soon as the others start arriving en masse. Sadly, one of the selling points of the upcoming chapter was "new love interests!" .. *sigh*.

At the risk of getting off-topic, part of this is probably due to the story setup. The party is never "split" for a long journey in BTW unlike in Nephilim, so there really isn't a scenario where MC and Hannah would be separated for a long period. As for the harem route, the other LIs definitely start out casually, but it's rapidly becoming more serious polyamory as the relationships with the other LIs grows (which makes sense, given Hannah has a two-year head start).

That does touch on one of my biggest gripes with Nephilim though. Namely, that on the poly/harem route, the LIs pretty much don't acknowledge the other relationships. I prefer there to be more discussion about things like mutual consent when it comes to including multiple partners, which is something BTW does very well. This I think also contributes to the complaint you mention, since if there's not collective discussion between the LIs about multiple relationships, it makes them all feel very separated and the game can only focus on one of them at a time to the exclusion of others.

 

[Pixillin']

At the risk of getting off-topic, part of this is probably due to the story setup. The party is never "split" for a long journey in BTW unlike in Nephilim, so there really isn't a scenario where MC and Hannah would be separated for a long period. As for the harem route, the other LIs definitely start out casually, but it's rapidly becoming more serious polyamory as the relationships with the other LIs grows (which makes sense, given Hannah has a two-year head start).

That does touch on one of my biggest gripes with the Nephilim though. Namely, that on the poly/harem route, the LIs pretty much don't acknowledge the other relationships. I prefer there to be more discussion about things like mutual consent when it comes to including multiple partners, which is something BTW does very well. This I think also contributes to the complaint you mention, since if there's not collective discussion between the LIs about multiple relationships, it makes them all feel very separated and the game can only focus on one of them at a time to the exclusion of others.

That's true, about the acknowledgement I mean but it would be hard in Nephilim since every relationship is optional and at this point there are 1.7 million Lis and counting ... so which ones would they acknowledge? I just want MC and Eliza - together all the time (or as much as humanly possible). Everyone else in this is an extra or a villain to me.

p.s. in B2W I just stayed with Hannah and said no to her offer to branch out, but I haven't noticed it's absence. MC and Hannah are together and I don't "feel" the gaps where the other scenes should be. In other words nothing feels off, like it does when the Dev makes something optional but really expects you to choose a particular option.

 

[Rehwyn]

That's true, about the acknowledgement I mean but it would be hard in Nephilim since every relationship is optional and at this point there are 1.7 million Lis and counting ... so which ones would they acknowledge? I just want MC and Eliza - together all the time (or as much as humanly possible). Everyone else in this is an extra or a villain to me.

p.s. in B2W I just stayed with Hannah and said no to her offer to branch out, but I haven't noticed it's absence. MC and Hannah are together and I don't "feel" the gaps where the other scenes should be. In other words nothing feels off, like it does when the Dev makes something optional but really expects you to choose a particular option.

That does remind me of one other thing: I don't think there's any way in BTW not to be with Hannah, unlike with Eliza. So from a development standpoint, it's easy to code Hannah to almost always be involved even on the harem route since there's no potential branching there. If in Nephilim Eliza was not an optional LI but a forced LI, I imagine she'd have a lot more screen time even in the full-harem route.

 

[Pixillin']

That does remind me of one other thing: I don't think there's any way in BTW not to be with Hannah, unlike with Eliza. So from a development standpoint, it's easy to code Hannah to almost always be involved even on the harem route since there's no potential branching there. If in Nephilim Eliza was not an optional LI but a forced LI, I imagine she'd have a lot more screen time even in the full-harem route.

I mean, sort of but she probably should have been a "forced" Li in that case because I think I've talked to one person who doesn't have Eliza as their main Li - even if not their only one. It would have made most people happier and made development much easier.

 

[Rehwyn]

I mean, sort of but she probably should have been a "forced" Li in that case because I think I've talked to one person who doesn't have Eliza as their main Li - even if not their only one. It would have made most people happier and made development much easier.

Honestly, I'd have been fine with this too. I have seen a few people here say they don't like Eliza, but it definitely seems like a very small subset of players and the game probably would have overall benefitted. Ah well.