VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.6.0] [BuuPlays]

[Quetzzz]

True, but the dev showed it the most in the scene where Eliza trains Sylph, Alice and of course Luna. Luna as the daughter of the former leader of the magical guilt and one of the potentially strongest witches in Luxenford was not even able to hold Eliza back long enough to defeat her in training and even lose, which is a bit strange in the story itself. Instead, she needed the help of Sylph and Alice, who is neither a witch nor has special abilities and Sylph only controls one, namely natural power compared to Luna's ability to control both arcane and fire magic at the same time, and despite this fact Eliza was able to break free from her spells only with the help of her vampire abilities. Personally, I think that the daughter of such a powerful witch as her mother should have at least similar strength to Diana, or to the mc itself. Unfortunately, in this case, it was clearly not the case, which is strange.

I have a slightly different read on that scene. To me it showed more that Luna isn't experienced. She's powerful but doesn't have strategic insight on how to use magic offensively. It's been all academic for her.
Though, for that matter, I don't think Eliza has earned the combat experience she's showing while training the others. It's not as if she's been out adventuring with the MC for years.

That said, I can't disagree with your point either... That Eliza can break free so easily means Luna has very little use in the future unless she gets a power-up. She, and a few others, will become the Krillin (DBZ) of this game.

 

[klas182]

I have a slightly different read on that scene. To me it showed more that Luna isn't experienced. She's powerful but doesn't have strategic insight on how to use magic offensively. It's been all academic for her.
Though, for that matter, I don't think Eliza has earned the combat experience she's showing while training the others. It's not as if she's been out adventuring with the MC for years.

That said, I can't disagree with your point either... That Eliza can break free so easily means Luna has very little use in the future unless she gets a power-up. She, and a few others, will become the Krillin (DBZ) of this game.

Luna has the potential to learn to use her abilities well and be a good ally to the MC, but only if she manages to neutralize the hex curse her mother's colleague placed on her mother, which could give her mother the opportunity to teach Luna the proper use and full potential of her abilities in combat. For now, Luna reminds me more of Alice in this regard. Alice can prepare a few elixirs, but she is not very useful in combat yet.

 

[Picallol]

It's interesting to read the different takes people have about the characters.
My take with Luna is a bit like someone, who's strong, going to the gym and starts exercising muscles in a way they never used before. You can be naturally strong at something, but if you never had to use it in a certain way you can still be quite weak with them. Time will tell if and how she grows.

 

[Malicre]

Though, for that matter, I don't think Eliza has earned the combat experience she's showing while training the others. It's not as if she's been out adventuring with the MC for years.

To be fair i still think Eliza loses to Diana even with the vampire powers. So far the only real challenge the mc has faced has been from one person and that was Diana. We however do need some power ups for some of the other harem members.

 

[klas182]

It's interesting to read the different takes people have about the characters.
My take with Luna is a bit like someone, who's strong, going to the gym and starts exercising muscles in a way they never used before. You can be naturally strong at something, but if you never had to use it in a certain way you can still be quite weak with them. Time will tell if and how she grows.

Exactly, but in this case, she will definitely need the skills and experience of her mother, who cannot yet cast spells due to the curse, and to properly show and explain to Luna how to use her spells properly. That's why Luna, even though she has talent, can't really learn to use her magic properly.

 

[Quetzzz]

To be fair i still think Eliza loses to Diana even with the vampire powers. So far the only real challenge the mc has faced has been from one person and that was Diana. We however do need some power ups for some of the other harem members.

One thing this battle showed well, is that Diana is great at strategy and applying her skills in battle. I wouldn't be surprised if she wins against oponents who are more powerful than her but less experienced.
If we're going with porn & harem logic, then soon the MC's sperm will invogorate the ladies.

 

[Regardie]

Alice and Luna are both new students at the Academy. I don't think they will start out teaching them offensive and defensive spells and recipes in the first year. Luna even says it takes years to master one magical affinity and she has two to master. She was given a task way over her head to save her mom, even though we know had she broken the "curse" her mother would have been eliminated with Luna.

Alice knows plants from her time in the village but has come to the Academy with no practical experience and yet, she was picked to be the instructors assistant. She will grow in knowledge and experience and before long, she will be creating new potions to help the MC.

Sylph is young for her race and has been on her own for a long time so hasn't had the benefit of a mentor. She has been basically hiding out with Dalen at the guild since she joined up with him. Now that she has bonded with the MC, she has incentives to break herself out of the rut she has been living in these few years.

Eliza was naturally agile before her transformation so the extra strength, speed and stamina are helping her be better at combat then the other three. No, she wouldn't last long against Diana, mostly because she would be like the MC, and would not want to hurt her, just disable her unless she thought that Diana was a threat to the MC.

I think all of them will get better as they gain experience.

Diana is definitely the most powerful of the potential "human" LIs. But she also spent the time since she was a little girl and watched her father be tortured honing her skills. And she is naturally powerful. The MC fought her to a draw that almost killed her, I don't think the MC was at that state when they were pulled from the water. He knew nothing about her so was constantly surprised at each of her new abilities so was a little off balance. But he didn't want to hurt her either but as she kept escalating, he had to as well.

My MC recovered faster than her and healed her before she woke up. Yes, walls of dialog wouldn't have been as much fun as watching them battle it out, but that could have been avoided had they chosen to talk it out first.

 

[Barinaxe]

As far as the king not feeling right to some by saying , Marry my daughter take my crown , take my wife hell take my sister and her daughter for a royal harem goes . Part of that other have said , the king doesnt want to be king anymore If he ever did , second the marriage was arranged and not one of love , It was stated that it was to avoid scandal and make a heir , alluding to him being gay by her not being his type . So finding someone to take the crown what he doesnt want , make his female family members happy where he cant, and ensure the kingdom survives while joking about it seems more like him feeling out the MC .

 

[Ford Mustang]

The king is asexual or probably gay.Taking care of his wife & daughter is his obligation as a king.

 

[klas182]

Alice and Luna are both new students at the Academy. I don't think they will start out teaching them offensive and defensive spells and recipes in the first year. Luna even says it takes years to master one magical affinity and she has two to master. She was given a task way over her head to save her mom, even though we know had she broken the "curse" her mother would have been eliminated with Luna.

Alice knows plants from her time in the village but has come to the Academy with no practical experience and yet, she was picked to be the instructors assistant. She will grow in knowledge and experience and before long, she will be creating new potions to help the MC.

Sylph is young for her race and has been on her own for a long time so hasn't had the benefit of a mentor. She has been basically hiding out with Dalen at the guild since she joined up with him. Now that she has bonded with the MC, she has incentives to break herself out of the rut she has been living in these few years.

Eliza was naturally agile before her transformation so the extra strength, speed and stamina are helping her be better at combat then the other three. No, she wouldn't last long against Diana, mostly because she would be like the MC, and would not want to hurt her, just disable her unless she thought that Diana was a threat to the MC.

I think all of them will get better as they gain experience.

Diana is definitely the most powerful of the potential "human" LIs. But she also spent the time since she was a little girl and watched her father be tortured honing her skills. And she is naturally powerful. The MC fought her to a draw that almost killed her, I don't think the MC was at that state when they were pulled from the water. He knew nothing about her so was constantly surprised at each of her new abilities so was a little off balance. But he didn't want to hurt her either but as she kept escalating, he had to as well.

My MC recovered faster than her and healed her before she woke up. Yes, walls of dialog wouldn't have been as much fun as watching them battle it out, but that could have been avoided had they chosen to talk it out first.

I highly doubt Diana would be willing to listen to MC without a fight, considering the fact that MC came to save two pirates who were also the daughters of the person responsible for her father's death. On the other hand, from the scene where Diana mentions how her father was supposed to die, it seems that her father is actually just trapped in Decimore with the help of a ring belonging to Blackheart. This means that if her father didn't die of old age, he might still be roaming around Decimore today and with a bit of luck MC might be able to locate his location and get him back.

 

[Regardie]

I highly doubt Diana would be willing to listen to MC without a fight, considering the fact that MC came to save two pirates who were also the daughters of the person responsible for her father's death. On the other hand, from the scene where Diana mentions how her father was supposed to die, it seems that her father is actually just trapped in Decimore with the help of a ring belonging to Blackheart. This means that if her father didn't die of old age, he might still be roaming around Decimore today and with a bit of luck MC might be able to locate his location and get him back.

Along those lines, when Diana gets back to the city, the MC has promised her access to the ring so she can extract her revenge on the twins father. Sounds like an expedition to me.