VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.17] [Le Stag]

[nickohoma]

I'm not sure I understand here. The MC is, ultimately, a self-insert for the player. Yes, he necessarily has a kink for seeing other men have sex with Laura, but that's because the game is an NTS game, and it's assumed the player *also* has that kink. That's the whole reason there are dom/sub paths instead of just a singular path that represents what "real MC" likes. There's no reason player A's MC couldn't *also* enjoy Laura freely sleeping around while player B's doesn't, the same way player A's MC may be submissive, while player B's MC is dominant.

No worries man. I'm just saying that MC has already pre-emptively given Laura consent to fuck whomever without checking in with him first. The only "strings attached" in the game as written is that Laura tells MC about it afterward and shares pics. That's all in-world stuff, not getting into players' preferences, just into what's been established in game.

If the writer wanted to take the game in the direction of "Laura will fuck whomever and NOT tell MC about it afterward", I would hope he'd either make it optional or make it an in-game conversation to establish that it could happen moving forward. In its current state, the game is written such that the player doesn't expect it to happen, so it might be an unpleasant read for some players if it did (though some would find it hot as fuck).

I'm the asshole who read the "we need some rules" conversation from early game and took it as a contract written in blood, by the way. I know a lot of players are more permissive than me.

 

[kikomascado]

In my opinion, if the girl freely sleeps around without telling the boyfriend beforehand or afterwards, it's just a simple open-relationship on her part, as the girl isn't doing that for her boyfriend enjoyment, and he isn't getting anything out of it, like Don't ask, don't tell agreement.

 

[Nequiem]

If the writer wanted to take the game in the direction of "Laura will fuck whomever and NOT tell MC about it afterward", I would hope he'd either make it optional or make it an in-game conversation to establish that it could happen moving forward. In its current state, the game is written such that the player doesn't expect it to happen, so it might be an unpleasant read for some players if it did.

Oh, I want to make it *absolutely* clear. While I *do* want to see what I'm describing implemented, I would actively fight it if were implemented in a mandatory manner, lol. I've seen so many things ruined by people coming in and trying to *fundamentally* change why people originally liked it that I have *no* intention of being on the other side of it. I enjoy the game just fine as it is now and would rather see it stay exactly as it is than ruin it for someone that also already enjoys it.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

In my opinion, if the girl freely sleeps around without telling the boyfriend beforehand or afterwards, it's just a simple open-relationship on her part, as the girl isn't doing that for her boyfriend enjoyment, and he isn't getting anything out of it, like Don't ask, don't tell agreement.

100% this. Anyone saying that Laura sleeping with other guys and hiding it from MC should be included in this game is advocating for literal NTR/cheating when the dynamic of the relationship is such that it's for BOTH their benefit. If they had some open relationship arrangement, I would understand, but when the boundaries are clearly about having both parties involved and one hides it from the other, that's cheating, which falls under NTR. Only the subby-ist-of-sub content (and even then, it would be borderline AF) would include anything like this, and if you disagree, sorry, you're wrong.

 

[Silwith]

In my opinion, if the girl freely sleeps around without telling the boyfriend beforehand or afterwards, it's just a simple open-relationship on her part, as the girl isn't doing that for her boyfriend enjoyment, and he isn't getting anything out of it, like Don't ask, don't tell agreement.

Yeah, maybe that is why I can't see it, because while Laura clearly very much enjoys how this developed, she started doing it for the benefit of the MC, she was very much happy being in a monogamous relationship as I read it and, just me personally, I would not like her straying too far from that. It is great that she enjoys herself, otherwise it would be kinda meh, but even in the very-sub path (which I am a player of) I am still reading it as her doing it and behaving like she doesn, mainly because she knows the MC enjoys it and well... without him knowing that kinda doesn't fit anymore for me

 

[kikomascado]

100% this. Anyone saying that Laura sleeping with other guys and hiding it from MC should be included in this game is advocating for literal NTR/cheating when the dynamic of the relationship is such that it's for BOTH their benefit. If they had some open relationship arrangement, I would understand, but when the boundaries are clearly about having both parties involved and one hides it from the other, that's cheating, which falls under NTR. Only the subby-ist-of-sub content (and even then, it would be borderline AF) would include anything like this, and if you disagree, sorry, you're wrong.

While it could include an agreement that she could do it without telling anything to the MC, at this point I don't think it fits the narrative of the game. Hahaha

 

[Nequiem]

No offense, but you guys are having a problem where you're saying, "It doesn't make sense because MC doesn't get anything out of that.". But you're speaking for your *personal* kinks. The MC is a self-insert. Personally, I can 100% say I would get something out of Laura freely sleeping around. I think it's hot, sue me.

It's not about her "hiding it", it's about it being so normal and casual to her that she doesn't feel the need to explicitly tell you about every encounter. Would she tell you if you explicitly asked her? Sure, but otherwise it'd be like her telling you what she ate for lunch. Maybe it was noteworthy enough for her, she does, but maybe not if you don't ask.

 

[nickohoma]

No offense, but you guys are having a problem where you're saying, "It doesn't make sense because MC doesn't get anything out of that.". But you're speaking for your *personal* kinks. The MC is a self-insert. Personally, I can 100% say I would get something out of Laura freely sleeping around. I think it's hot, sue me.

It's not about her "hiding it", it's about it being so normal and casual to her that she doesn't feel the need to explicitly tell you about every encounter. Would she tell you if you explicitly asked her? Sure, but otherwise it'd be like her telling you what she ate for lunch. Maybe it was noteworthy enough for her, she does, but maybe not if you don't ask.

It wouldn't be my bag but I'm sure some folks would find it hot. That statement applies to a lot of stuff already in game though honestly. I just ask for an "out" if the game's boundaries shift, even if that "out" is the little x button in the corner.

 

[ass234]

No offense, but you guys are having a problem where you're saying, "It doesn't make sense because MC doesn't get anything out of that.". But you're speaking for your *personal* kinks. The MC is a self-insert. Personally, I can 100% say I would get something out of Laura freely sleeping around. I think it's hot, sue me.

It's not about her "hiding it", it's about it being so normal and casual to her that she doesn't feel the need to explicitly tell you about every encounter. Would she tell you if you explicitly asked her? Sure, but otherwise it'd be like her telling you what she ate for lunch. Maybe it was noteworthy enough for her, she does, but maybe not if you don't ask.

The point they are making is there were clear rules established in the beginning of the game, she can fool around with other guys and she will tell you about it and take photos. Doing what you're describing is going 100% against that. You are correct it could be implemented as a choice, but it goes against the spirit of the game. Also what would the point be to establish it happens in universe and then never talk about it? Why not just pretend its already happening if she wont mention it to you? If her friends start reporting it to you it begins to feel a bit NTR-ish, which is expressly something the dev has said this game is not about. Just enjoy the chapters where we get Tara sending us pics of Laura doing stuff as that comes close to what you are asking. Apologies if my tone is aggressive that is unintentional.

 

[Nequiem]

The point they are making is there were clear rules established in the beginning of the game, she can fool around with other guys and she will tell you about it and take photos. Doing what you're describing is going 100% against that. You are correct it could be implemented as a choice, but it goes against the spirit of the game. Also what would the point be to establish it happens in universe and then never talk about it? Why not just pretend its already happening if she wont mention it to you? If her friends start reporting it to you it begins to feel a bit NTR-ish, which is expressly something the dev has said this game is not about. Just enjoy the chapters where we get Tara sending us pics of Laura doing stuff as that comes close to what you are asking. Apologies if my tone is aggressive that is unintentional.

Yes, it was established early on that those were the rules, but that was a "contract" between MC (the player) and Laura. A contract can be altered if all involved parties agree to it, which is what would be the case here.

Honestly, in my mind, this would be something the MC would explicitly bring up to Laura. That's the whole point, it would be an option just like the dom/sub, the condom stuff, anal, etc. It would be the player as the MC saying, "Hey, I think X is hot, it's okay if the game starts showing me X" or "No, I don't like X, please don't show me X.".

I really just don't see how it's any different except people get nervous because they *personally* view it as being too close to NTR (even though it isn't NTR by any stretch since it's done with consent, and could theoretically be canceled at any moment by MC).

 

[ass234]

Yes, it was established early on that those were the rules, but that was a "contract" between MC (the player) and Laura. A contract can be altered if all involved parties agree to it, which is what would be the case here.

Honestly, in my mind, this would be something the MC would explicitly bring up to Laura. That's the whole point, it would be an option just like the dom/sub, the condom stuff, anal, etc. It would be the player as the MC saying, "Hey, I think X is hot, it's okay if the game starts showing me X" or "No, I don't like X, please don't show me X.".

I really just don't see how it's any different except people get nervous because they *personally* view it as being too close to NTR (even though it isn't NTR by any stretch since it's done with consent, and could theoretically be canceled at any moment by MC).

Again, what would be the point? You can pretend its happening now as you wont see it either way. If it was implemented the way you said, why would the MC even want to hear about it from her friends if he gave express permission that he doesn't need to hear about it as its not a big deal, like her eating lunch? The only point would be to create angst and to give the NTR feeling, there is no other purpose to an agreement like this, especially in the context of the game.

 

[Nequiem]

Again, what would be the point? You can pretend its happening now as you wont see it either way. If it was implemented the way you said, why would the MC even want to hear about it from her friends if he gave express permission that he doesn't need to hear about it as its not a big deal, like her eating lunch? The only point would be to create angst and to give the NTR feeling, there is no other purpose to an agreement like this, especially in the context of the game.

Once again, no offense, but you can only say this because you don't have the same kink. You can keep calling it NTR all you want, but it isn't.

I've tried NTR off and on again over time *because* I enjoy the dynamic of the girlfriend/wife freely sleeping around. Do you know what inevitably happens? I get depressed, and my heart hurts. Because I don't actually like NTR, I like NTS.

It's fine if you don't understand the kink, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But continually saying, "It doesn't make sense." when I, as someone that thinks it hot, says "No, it actually makes perfect sense." isn't going to accomplish anything except talking past each other.

 

[nickohoma]

So, hypothetically, MC and Laura have a conversation (over text of course) that Laura doesn't need to tell MC about her fucking other dudes. Then later on, MC overhears a conversation between some work colleagues or friends saying "man I had the best night of my life last night. Met this hot chick at the bar and fucked her in the back seat of my car. Cute brunette with a ponytail. Lana or something, I can't even remember."

Then of course for that to appear in game MC has to relay that back to Laura over text "hey did you fuck my 50-year old boss last weekend? Short guy, bald, liver spots?"

Just airing it out. Obviously I'm being a little facetious but some people might be into an turn of events like that. I mean it's not for me but I can at least imagine a world where it could happen in the game.

 

[kikomascado]

Once again, no offense, but you can only say this because you don't have the same kink. You can keep calling it NTR all you want, but it isn't.

I've tried NTR off and on again over time *because* I enjoy the dynamic of the girlfriend/wife freely sleeping around. Do you know what inevitably happens? I get depressed, and my heart hurts. Because I don't actually like NTR, I like NTS.

It's fine if you don't understand the kink, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But continually saying, "It doesn't make sense." when I, as someone that thinks it hot, says "No, it actually makes perfect sense." isn't going to accomplish anything except talking past each other.

Well, maybe it could be another path, but technically speaking it still wouldn't make sense for this specific game, because the different routes have very few alterarions, which are mostly text only.
So it would probably be just a "censored" version, having only the parts where Ashley tease us with Laura pictures. Hahaha

 

[Soap11]

ntr vs nts argument

 

[Nequiem]

ntr vs nts argument
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Lol, well you'll be disappointed because A) I never did and never will argue for NTR, and B) I'm pretty much burnt out on the conversation at this point cause I don't think anything has been accomplished by it nor will be by continuing it.

 

[ass234]

Once again, no offense, but you can only say this because you don't have the same kink. You can keep calling it NTR all you want, but it isn't.

I've tried NTR off and on again over time *because* I enjoy the dynamic of the girlfriend/wife freely sleeping around. Do you know what inevitably happens? I get depressed, and my heart hurts. Because I don't actually like NTR, I like NTS.

It's fine if you don't understand the kink, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But continually saying, "It doesn't make sense." when I, as someone that thinks it hot, says "No, it actually makes perfect sense." isn't going to accomplish anything except talking past each other.

You are correct i dont have the kink, but I understand what you're saying, you want Laura to sleep with other guys and not tell you about it, and then you want to hear about it in game. I also understand you dont want it to be NTR. To most players this feels NTR-ish, but it doesnt have to be.

Consider it from a game programming perspective, lets say it gets put into the game. Nothing will likely happen with it because it would require Stag to write a chapter centered around it where we get no content, other than an offhand account from one of her friends, "hey this happened and Laura did this." I guess it could be an interlude. We already kind of have this where we get messages from the bulls telling us Laura is here with a pic.

MC wouldnt be able to ask about it because they gave Laura express permission to do it. If she tells you about it then were back at square one and doing what the game originally was going to do without that specific choice. There would be no point in including this because from most players perspectives we would get absolutely nothing out of it, other than a dialogue choice to ask Laura to tell us, which loops back around to why did we bother to tell Laura to sleep around and not tell us. Do you see why it doesnt work in game?

Maybe Stag could implement it so that we do that, not sure if it would be easy or worth the time and effort though. Especially for something that goes against the entire point of the game which is our gf sleeping around and telling us. Again not trying to come off aggressive, just trying to explain why it wouldnt make sense for this platform of game. Maybe we just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Nequiem]

Like I said, I'm pretty done with this conversation, so I'm not going to continue it outside of this, but I do just want to say:

You are correct i dont have the kink, but I understand what you're saying, you want Laura to sleep with other guys and not tell you about it, and then you want to hear about it in game.

This definitively tells me you do *not* understand what I'm saying.

 

[ass234]

No offense, but you guys are having a problem where you're saying, "It doesn't make sense because MC doesn't get anything out of that.". But you're speaking for your *personal* kinks. The MC is a self-insert. Personally, I can 100% say I would get something out of Laura freely sleeping around. I think it's hot, sue me.

It's not about her "hiding it", it's about it being so normal and casual to her that she doesn't feel the need to explicitly tell you about every encounter. Would she tell you if you explicitly asked her? Sure, but otherwise it'd be like her telling you what she ate for lunch. Maybe it was noteworthy enough for her, she does, but maybe not if you don't ask.

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[Nequiem]

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I really *really* wanted to be done with this, but now you're obligating me with an apparent misunderstanding, lol.

Alright, go ahead. Tell me what the question mark means. I'll attempt to clarify if I can. I'm serious about not responding outside of that though, I am argumentatively exhausted.