VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.17] [Le Stag]

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hlfwaycrks

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Nequiem said:
Lol, well you'll be disappointed because A) I never did and never will argue for NTR, and B) I'm pretty much burnt out on the conversation at this point cause I don't think anything has been accomplished by it nor will be by continuing it.
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You didn't insert this whole other possible scenario where MC tells Laura that he'd get off on her fucking other dudes without telling her until after you just argued for her just doing it because you found it hot, and then you claimed it wasn't NTR.

The way you initially brought it up was NTR, no matter how much you want to say things like, "you're speaking for your *personal* kinks", or "I never did and never will argue for NTR", to everyone. Adding in that MC consents to it after the fact? Sure, that does change things, and if you want to advocate for that super-mega-ultra-sub path, I'll advocate for a super-mega-ultra-dom path, but let's back up a sec.

The reason I and others were upset with the suggestion is that these suggestions come up often and they are absolutely against the spirit of netorase, so it gives the impression that you're another fan of NTR and you're pushing for the game to go that way. When you bring the idea up in the first place, you have to include caveats. Simply saying that LI sleeping with others behind MC's back is something you want because you find it hot, without mentioning it would be a planned thing that did have the established boundary (just like the way boundaries were set up initially), is NTR, no matter if you say it's not. That's not an opinion, that's not playing into my personal tastes. If the boundary is not there, it would be a violation of that boundary, and thus would be a form of cheating/NTR.

It's great you put in the caveat later, but I hope you can better understand why people go on the defense so quickly for stuff like this; it's done out of a sense of wanting to defend something we love and don't want to have ruined like has happened in the past.
 
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hlfwaycrks said:
You didn't insert this whole other possible scenario where MC tells Laura that he'd get off on her fucking other dudes without telling her until after you just argued for her just doing it because you found it hot, and then you claimed it wasn't NTR.

The way you initially brought it up was NTR, no matter how much you want to say things like, "you're speaking for your *personal* kinks", or "I never did and never will argue for NTR", to everyone. Adding in that MC consents to it after the fact? Sure, that does change things, and if you want to advocate for that super-mega-ultra-sub path, I'll advocate for a super-mega-ultra-dom path, but let's back up a sec.

The reason I and others were upset with the suggestion is that these suggestions come up often and they are absolutely against the spirit of netorase, so it gives the impression that you're another fan of NTR and you're pushing for the game to go that way. When you bring the idea up in the first place, you have to include caveats. Simply saying that LI sleeping with others behind MC's back is something you want because you find it hot, without mentioning it would be a planned thing that did have the established boundary (just like the way boundaries were set up initially), is NTR, no matter if you say it's not. That's not an opinion, that's not playing into my personal tastes. If the boundary is not there, it would be a violation of that boundary, and thus would be a form of cheating/NTR.

It's great you put in the caveat later, but I hope you can better understand why people go on the defense so quickly for stuff like this; it's done out of a sense of wanting to defend something we love and don't want to have ruined like has happened in the past.
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Unlike others, I'm not going to be polite to you. You're just a prick that wants to tell other people what they think instead of listening to them. You literally aren't worth engaging with. You absolutely can not point to a single place where I argued for NTR without projecting a bunch of other things I never said onto it.
 
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hlfwaycrks

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Nequiem said:
Unlike others, I'm not going to be polite to you. You're just a prick that wants to tell other people what they think instead of listening to them. You literally aren't worth engaging with. You absolutely can not point to a single place where I argued for NTR without projecting a bunch of other things I never said onto it.
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Pure deflection and projection, that's all this is. Even when I took the time to explain things out of respect to help you see where others were coming from, I'm the asshole. I'm used to it, though, don't worry. I'll still sleep soundly! :)
 
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Nequiem said:
Unlike others, I'm not going to be polite to you. You're just a prick that wants to tell other people what they think instead of listening to them. You literally aren't worth engaging with. You absolutely can not point to a single place where I argued for NTR without projecting a bunch of other things I never said onto it.
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My guy, your getting pushback from both the Dom and Sub side of the isle here. The Idea just doesn't work for this game, it would require a whole chapter to set up a change to agreed upon rules and then you get literally no content because why would Laura tell you anything ever again? It has nothing to do with people not sharing you kinks it just doesn't fit the game as is.
 
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Guys, for those who missed the original Le Stag statement, this game based on personal Le Stag experience and real-life "Ashley", actually helped him with plot and some ideas.
For those who missed the concept, this game is a kinetic novel, so basically an interactive book of Le Stag fantasies and real stories, based on real-life experience.
You are all reading the book.
Enjoy
Since there is no NTR encyclopedia, there is no point to argue if any events in this book are NTR-based, NTS-based or in gray area.
I personally counted at least 3 interludes in the game with MC finding out that Laura had sex he doesn't know about and it was a complete surprise for MC, I don't know how to classify these events, and I don't care, I'm just enjoying the story.
All your arguments are clearly a matter of opinion, you can fantasy whatever you want, you can label it as you wish, I have opinions on my own, some ideas and fantasies too, but I doubt the dev is even gonna read it, so what's the point?
Let's just wait until the book is finished
 
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Nequiem

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hlfwaycrks said:
Pure deflection and projection, that's all this is. Even when I took the time to explain things out of respect to help you see where others were coming from, I'm the asshole. I'm used to it, though, don't worry. I'll still sleep soundly! :)
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Do it then. I'll wait. Show me where I argued for NTR. Show it in full, explain how it's NTR. I will apologize if you prove me wrong.


Sanon441 said:
My guy, your getting pushback from both the Dom and Sub side of the isle here. The Idea just doesn't work for this game, it would require a whole chapter to set up a change to agreed upon rules and then you get literally no content because why would Laura tell you anything ever again? It has nothing to do with people not sharing you kinks it just doesn't fit the game as is.
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This has nothing to do with getting pushback, it has to do with someone wrongfully calling me a liar to win an argument. I have an extremely low tolerance for that kind of bs, sorry, not sorry.
 
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comment about the debate above. both side is talking about the consent but with differences. one side is talking as a "player" because as long as we "know (as a player of the game)" Laura still loves the MC, even though she don't report to MC -> it's still NTS, as he said. but the other side argue that if Laura don't report to MC, because they think as an "real life/immersed" scenerio -> it's is NTR. so i think they look at the problem from two different point of view, it's like orange and apple comparison. it's like in hentai manga e.g from Terasu MC, if the last page show that the heroine still loves MC -> it's NTS, without that page -> NTR :))) that's my thought on this debate (sorry english not my native).
 
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nvlong345 said:
comment about the debate above. both side is talking about the consent but with differences. one side is talking as a "player" because as long as we "know (as a player of the game)" Laura still loves the MC, even though she don't report to MC -> it's still NTS, as he said. but the other side argue that if Laura don't report to MC, because they think as an "real life/immersed" scenerio -> it's is NTR. so i think they look at the problem from two different point of view, it's like orange and apple comparison. it's like in hentai manga e.g from Terasu MC, if the last page show that the heroine still loves MC -> it's NTS, without that page -> NTR :))) that's my thought on this debate (sorry english not my native).
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I don't see it as either NTR or NTS, I just see it as Don't ask, don't tell type of open relationship.
 
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ass234

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Nequiem said:
I really *really* wanted to be done with this, but now you're obligating me with an apparent misunderstanding, lol.

Alright, go ahead. Tell me what the question mark means. I'll attempt to clarify if I can. I'm serious about not responding outside of that though, I am argumentatively exhausted.
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So perhaps i misunderstood you, but what you wrote in the previous response with my question mark is more or less exactly what i said in my opening response you quoted, the only part that i guess wasnt specifically stated by you was the not telling you portion. You said you want it to be so natural to her that she wouldnt even feel like telling you, but would if you asked, so i paraphrased.

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More action? In the sense that the main character does not expect Laura to meet someone, and MC accidentally finds out about it, it doesn't matter how exactly, through Ashley, Tara or the character fucking Laura, for me this is within the limits of Netorase, considering how many times we have already been shown that Laura and MC love each other.
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Then you said i dont understand what you were talking about even though the original statement that started this whole argument by another user(the quoted portion above) was that Laura would fuck other guys and not tell you about it and you would find out from here friends. You were defending it, at least that was what i interpreted from your statements.

So i guess my question is what are you asking for?
 
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This might be wordy, we'll see how concise I can be, though I have little hope for that seeing as I don't want to be misunderstood, lol.

ass234 said:
So perhaps i misunderstood you, but what you wrote in the previous response with my question mark is more or less exactly what i said in my opening response you quoted, the only part that i guess wasnt specifically stated by you was the not telling you portion. You said you want it to be so natural to her that she wouldnt even feel like telling you, but would if you asked, so i paraphrased.
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The intention behind that wasn't to say, "I want Laura to have sex with guys and then *explicitly* not tell me.", it's more, "I want Laura to have carte blanche to have sex with other men and not be *obligated* to tell me.". If you'll note, I didn't actually say "wouldn't even feel like telling you", I said "wouldn't feel the *need* to tell you".

I understand if the nuance I intended there was lost, maybe I could have been more explicit with my meaning, but at the time it seemed clear to me.

Basically, I want Laura to have sex more often purely for her *own* sake, because she enjoys it, rather than it needing to be rubber-stamped by the MC all the time, if that makes sense? And I get that that is 100% not a lot of people's cup of tea, but that's why I continually stated it should be optional.


ass234 said:
Then you said i dont understand what you were talking about even though the original statement that started this whole argument by another user(the quoted portion above) was that Laura would fuck other guys and not tell you about it and you would find out from here friends. You were defending it, at least that was what i interpreted from your statements.
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While I probably took a more charitable view of that poster's comment (I personally assumed they meant with consent given in advance, since they mentioned it still being "within the limits of Netorase", and I would *not* consider it so otherwise), I also was never intending to "defend" the comment either. I was just springboarding off an existing topic of discussion as one tends to do.

I will say (and again, no offense intended), it's generally a horrible idea to assume two people in a conversation share opinions on something without explicit confirmation simply due to proximity in said conversation. Meaning, my comments stand on their own and were always meant to. That's why I repeatedly brought up consent being given to make it clear I was not advocating for NTR in the case that that original poster actually was.


ass234 said:
So i guess my question is what are you asking for?
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In a nutshell? Essentially, allowing Laura to go and have flings on her own without needing to ask MC first or giving him the play-by-play the entire time she's doing it.

Some of it would be "implied" as a sort of set dressing, because obviously you'd never hear about the ones she doesn't talk about, so there's nothing to show. Others she might mention offhandedly for just a moment in passing, some she might go into more detail, maybe she did take a few pictures even though she wasn't actively giving you the play-by-play at the time, maybe she'll tease you with them an hour later, a day later, a week later, or even a month later.

I think that probably gives a half-decent summary? I can hope, at least, lol. I get we probably still won't agree, but I hope my actual position is at least a little clearer now.
 
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