VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.18] [Le Stag]

[Elkfood]

NTR is when someone "steals" your girlriend.
It can shift more into "cuckolding" if you choose very submissive path.
I haven't seen clues for Laura cheating on us behind our back. She always tel us where she was and with who. So it's hard to tell its NTR
I feel like focus of the story changed (in the last public update) from Laura to Ashey and (?) Tara, where we can see the second one corrupting.
People who like NTR more, may be annoyed, that Laura sleeps mostly with Nathan, the guy who isn't stereotype guy for cuckolding and NTR, Olivier would be much better choice, and the other ones are sad, than Laura havent found herself a black guy
It's hard for dev to create NTS game, because its halfway between NTR and vanilla, and one will say "ew NTR" and other one will say "NOT ENOUGH NTR".
I enjoy both, and It's good that we have developer who tries to stay in the middle and make everyone happy with free updates

You're right. That's why I said shifting. I don't recall exact examples, but I think there was an increase of texts to MC from the other men "teasing" what they were doing with Laura. That's somewhat leaning towards NTR in stead of NTS. Also, Laura spending more time with the bull than the MC is also a point leaning towards NTR. The game hasnt gone full out NTR, but I'm noticing a shift. And I might be wrong. It's just my impression.

I'm not annoyed. I like NTR. But I like NTR games to stay NTR games and NTS games to stay NTS. But in the end, it's up to le stag where and how he wants this to progress.

 

[Elkfood]

I think there was an increase of texts to MC from the other men "teasing" what they were doing with Laura. That's somewhat leaning towards NTR in stead of NTS.

For example, Nathan texting "Laura wanted me to send you this picture, have a nice day" is clearly NTS. Oliver sending "look what i'm doing with your slut gf" is more NTR. If you see my point.

 

[NewUserIam]

Arguing with people who follow your game (Even if they are haters they still draw attention to your project by commenting) isn’t the most ideal approach for the business. I cna understand how frustrating developing a NTS game can be since you can never truly please everyone, but it is clear these arguments are getting under dev’s skin which effects to game’s development. Last few updates felt a bit soulless and stale.

I am not saying devs shouldn’t take fans’ ideas seriously, quite the contrary. But getting into this type of heated conversations never improve the game. I think dev should just ignore this thread for few weeks.

 

[Elkfood]

Arguing with people who follow your game (Even if they are haters they still draw attention to your project by commenting) isn’t the most ideal approach for the business. I cna understand how frustrating developing a NTS game can be since you can never truly please everyone, but it is clear these arguments are getting under dev’s skin which effects to game’s development. Last few updates felt a bit soulless and stale.

I am not saying devs shouldn’t take fans’ ideas seriously, quite the contrary. But getting into this type of heated conversations never improve the game. I think dev should just ignore this thread for few weeks.

Yes. And if you're making a game in the NTR-category (with all it's subgroups like NTS) you're gonna get a lot of shit regardless of what you do. Comes with the territory.

The first NTR-game I played was My Girlfriends Amnesia by Daniels K. It had NTR, rape etc, but it was ALWAYS optional and given warnings. Still people were angry as hell. He just said fuck it and never did NTR again.

 

[eyegr8knickerz]

So tell me what the hell would make you happy next update, because I really cannot understand what y'all are asking for, and the way I see it, whatever I'm doing, you are complaining.

Obviously its cool that you engage with the fans here and that you are willing to read all the criticism. But if you actually want input for what to do next its probably better to do something structured like a poll or a survey (probably better to do behind paywall also) as it will give you actual data on what your customers want.

 

[Seneschall]

Hey Le Stag, you mentioned you´ve had a lot of trouble creating Pictures with Ashley´s long Hair. I fooled around with AI Picture Generation lately and the results where partially hillariously bad and funny.
Mind to share some of your (spoilerfree if you wish) Artworks that just turned wrong in every way?

 

[Sayonara1904]

For people that are complaining you can just stop playing...

I enjoy the dominante sharing route and make her my slut but even tho i dont enjoy as mutch of the submissive path i enjoy and try to enjoy the story behind and the artwork

at the end of the day Lestag is doing what he enjoys , can half have you unconstructive criticism guys say the same?

sorry in advance by my bad grammar

 

[Sayonara1904]

So do I actually. If laura is growing comfortable sleeping around and with the idea of the MC also doing so it could be really fun, really quickly x)

I would like to see a MC v Laura v Nathan v Ashley whit them in the madhouse chat driving tara crazy whit the messages and pics xD

 

[Elkfood]

I would like to see a MC v Laura v Nathan v Ashley whit them in the madhouse chat driving tara crazy whit the messages and pics xD

everyone thought the game was about corrupting L but it was really about corrupting T all along

 

[Qlippoth]

It's hard for a game that is purely pornography to get too long. There was a story arc of Laura and MC discovering the kink and then getting into it. Now they're into it. The game either has to end or introduce some new conflict. Stories have conflicts, character arcs, and stakes.

 

[Sayonara1904]

It's hard for a game that is purely pornography to get too long. There was a story arc of Laura and MC discovering the kink and then getting into it. Now they're into it. The game either has to end or introduce some new conflict. Stories have conflicts, character arcs, and stakes.

They are trying to corrupt tara, maybe MC and Laura can make her their fucktoy have you wonder?

 

[alex220477]

the right balance, for my way of thinking is, MC starts to try something with Tara, even something more than just sex, Laura now has an open mind and all her holes available for other cocks, okay, but she has crossed the line when she dictates what MC wants next, let me explain better, the game options are annoying, many times, the options are practically the same, or with emoticons that are useless, that's why the game is flat, giving two options to us players who represent the same idea, is wrong and ridiculous, example:
- Yes I want it Laura
- Of course I would like it

these are the useless double answers, they are practically the same, what are they for, now, today, Laura is uncontrollable, before she decided in pair with Mc, now she decides alone or obeys Nathan, and then answers Mc, I repeat, the couple now is Nathan and Laura, with Mc on the bench.

 

[Sayonara1904]

the right balance, for my way of thinking is, MC starts to try something with Tara, even something more than just sex, Laura now has an open mind and all her holes available for other cocks, okay, but she has crossed the line when she dictates what MC wants next, let me explain better, the game options are annoying, many times, the options are practically the same, or with emoticons that are useless, that's why the game is flat, giving two options to us players who represent the same idea, is wrong and ridiculous, example:
- Yes I want it Laura
- Of course I would like it

these are the useless double answers, they are practically the same, what are they for, now, today, Laura is uncontrollable, before she decided in pair with Mc, now she decides alone or obeys Nathan, and then answers Mc, I repeat, the couple now is Nathan and Laura, with Mc on the bench.

I agree the ver dominant path you should be in more Control and not like you Said "yes or i would like it" , and have more im your "master" like Im the anal scene whit Nathan you Control the fact if She does Anal whit him or not and i choose no because that ass is only mine

 

[Le Stag]

I agree the ver dominant path you should be in more Control and not like you Said "yes or i would like it" , and have more im your "master" like Im the anal scene whit Nathan you Control the fact if She does Anal whit him or not and i choose no because that ass is only mine

The issue is that, for every "true" decision you can make, I have to write consequences, and future possible paths. So I have to limit those, or I'd end up taking 3 months writing 1000 different paths for each chapter.

I'll be honest, I've been tempted a few times to actually abandon the Dominant route. It's the least played one, and it's the one requiring both the most work, and generating the most complaints. So I've settled on a general "mood", and limited actual decisions to important elements, but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything, because I literally cannot with the game's format.

 

[Dealbreaker]

There was a story arc of Laura and MC discovering the kink and then getting into it. Now they're into it. The game either has to end or introduce some new conflict.

There has to be an interplay of two directions, two processes in theses stories around sex: 1. breaching or dissolving boundaries and llimits and 2. at the same time establishing new ones. The latter often doesn't happen and the game flattens. Also giving up power, control or claims never seems to have any backlash. In this case we are nearing the state where all boundaries are dissolved, Tara's reluctance is the last one standing and the last possible plotpoint in this direction so to speak (gangbangs don't really add something qualitatively new). Somebody has to demand new exclusivities. Maybe Oliver has to claim Laura for himself, or Nathan does that because he sees the danger coming from Oliver, because Laura gets more and more into being dominated. Or Tara is only prepared to fuck with the MC and this pisses off Laura etc. These are just examples.

 

[Dealbreaker]

but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything,

And this wouldn't be necessary nor a reasonable expectation on the side of the player, speaking for myself.

 

[alex220477]

There has to be an interplay of two directions, two processes in theses stories around sex: 1. breaching or dissolving boundaries and llimits and 2. at the same time establishing new ones. The latter often doesn't happen and the game flattens. Also giving up power, control or claims never seems to have any backleash. In this case we are nearing the state where all boundaries are dissolved, Tara's reluctance is the last one standing and the last possible plotpoint in this direction so to speak (gangbangs don't really add something qualitatively new). Somebody has to demand new exclusivities. Maybe Oliver has to claim Laura for himself, or Nathan does that because he sees the danger coming from Oliver, because Laura gets more and more into being dominated. Or Tara is only prepared to fuck with the MC and this pisses off Laura etc. These are just examples.

you wrote some good points, especially the Tara and MC situation more intimate, these points, would give different interests, parallel stories, you hit the nail on the head, Laura is now the sex toy of her lovers, much more than Nathan, ridiculous, MC is no longer in any path, neither dominant nor passive, LAura tells him and shows him the photos, MC is happy, then like a good puppy waits for his sloppy dish, on the other hand Tara, has personality, accepts with great reluctance the open mind, but makes it clear that she has serious interest in MC, it's like you said, LAura understands that she is losing MC, provided that she is in love with him, because if, now, for LAura, the real meaning is, to have fun, then, her feelings, have diminished, it is an update path, which is fine if you play the open couple, a couple of guys, not of long-married, it is the time of the relationship, it affects the ability to manage these erotic games.

 

[Le Stag]

There has to be an interplay of two directions, two processes in theses stories around sex: 1. breaching or dissolving boundaries and llimits and 2. at the same time establishing new ones. The latter often doesn't happen and the game flattens. Also giving up power, control or claims never seems to have any backlash. In this case we are nearing the state where all boundaries are dissolved, Tara's reluctance is the last one standing and the last possible plotpoint in this direction so to speak (gangbangs don't really add something qualitatively new). Somebody has to demand new exclusivities. Maybe Oliver has to claim Laura for himself, or Nathan does that because he sees the danger coming from Oliver, because Laura gets more and more into being dominated. Or Tara is only prepared to fuck with the MC and this pisses off Laura etc. These are just examples.

There will not be things like that. As much as some of you seem to want it, this is not the story I want to tell. What I want to write is a group of people discovering their kinks, and enjoying them more and more peacefully, like adults, communicating and sharing, while keeping the love intact.

That's what I love, and that's what I'm trying to tell. There may be a few conflict beats in the future, but don't expect people trying to "claim" others, bouts of jealousy, or the likes. There are already thousands of games doing that, and I'm tired of that. That's specifically why I've been writing that game: to avoid that.

If you want conflict, you can ask as much as you want, but I'm sorry to tell you you're looking at the wrong game.


I may have plans for a future game though, with a lot of conflict...

 

[Aksy]

The issue is that, for every "true" decision you can make, I have to write consequences, and future possible paths. So I have to limit those, or I'd end up taking 3 months writing 1000 different paths for each chapter.

I'll be honest, I've been tempted a few times to actually abandon the Dominant route. It's the least played one, and it's the one requiring both the most work, and generating the most complaints. So I've settled on a general "mood", and limited actual decisions to important elements, but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything, because I literally cannot with the game's format.

Tbh, I like the game altogether and I can understand at some extend the amount of work needed so I won't mind the actual path tho... my Canon route is 95% Very Dominant route so I'll be disappointed if the route disappear unfortunately :/
The 5% is skimming the other path fast forward for pictures ONLY lol

 

[Dealbreaker]

There will not be things like that. As much as some of you seem to want it, this is not the story I want to tell. What I want to write is a group of people discovering their kinks, and enjoying them more and more peacefully, like adults, communicating and sharing, while keeping the love intact.

OK, that's fair enough and thanks for being so clear!
(but I wouldn't myself say that these conflicts aren't "adult", I think they are human)