VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.22.1] [Le Stag]

[pyefyeref]

A agree, and I get angry often when I think about it. This is the heart of the matter. In order to stabilize this ideal model, there mustn't be much agency on the part of the other participants, the "bulls". I myself have called them in another thread "human dildos". They would endanger the model if they would be allowed to develop possessive feelings or intens emotions. It has to be all of a serene, peaceful "fun" quality.
But I understand more and more through these discussions, that there is a certain normative ideal behind that (see last post of the dev), which cannot allow for these reactions, for a loss of control beyond the mechanical, beyond the mere "fun" into emotional turmoil. We have to respect that as an ideal, as an aim, as a certain conception of sexual relations, even if we don't see it as realistic. I wouldn't want to psychologize the motives behind that as insecurity or playing dominant, but it is a normative project a wish for a kind of sex which is exclusively a positive and peaceful force no matter how much one excalates and frees it from limits.

I agree, if there isn't a little friction, a touch of jealousy or competitiveness or even doubt then it gets too sterile. Yet you have people who think it becomes hard NTR the moment the girl sees the guys as anything more than warm dildos so things can't be but either complete depersonalization of either the girl or the guys where they lose basic human emotions but at the same time become more and more sexually depraved. At which point it is no different than watching two random unrelated pornstars fuck on camera and even those pornstars hold positive or negative opinions or emotions about each other most of the time, why bother with naming them if there is no human element behind the name?

If Le Stag would even choose to let Laura have more of a relationship with any of the guys she fucks beyond meeting up to have sex which may or may not include companionship then I think there would be a lot of backlash. Especially if this would actually include things that could result in friction or jealousy, let alone things like romantic moments between Laura and Nathan and I think not even Le Stag himself wants that since he seems to also want it to be completely certain experience without any questions about emotions.

And no this isn't about turning this game into a full on NTR, I don't want that. It's about having emotional stakes which if there is no risk then there is none, you can't have trust if there is no chance for that trust to be broken in the first place.

 

[monkgi]

Ultimately the game is going to be what the dev wants it to be, and there's no way to please everyone. I personally want more stakes. The overall plot so far is starting to get a bit dull for me, and kind of seems to be dragging, but that might be what the dev is pushing the game towards, who knows? I just hope the dev doesn't put in some fake spice for the sake of having something happen. I overall still enjoy the game, though.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

Bro a true Dom person in a relationship doesn't share his gf. I can see why it's difficult to write this path, and CONTINUE to write it. Because it's a lot of choices and content that we won't get in the future if we keep denying her to see others.

You won't get the pictures basically.

Ya know what I mean?
I mean it's easy to write okay I'll spend day with you bf. But like then I guess just share that day to the madhouse friends? I mean it's easy but it's not high stakes ntr.

At one point I'm like hey le stag, the gf sharing kink is all good you did a good job. Can you write a regular relationship though? Just you and the girl thats it. I think you can, you have the talent to be that sort of writer. In your next project I hope. Just a regular romance no sharing whatsoever. I think a lot of us just want an actual girl to message and have a relationship with. Maybe somewhere in life we got cheated on and don't know how to prevent that from happening. In this game though it works, but like.. you see that you had a perfectly good relationship before in the early chapters. Revealed that you went on a camping trip and all that together. It was just an all of a sudden "yeah it would be spicy to see you with other guys when you go out with your friends spontaneously". Then Nathan is like a second bf pretty much. Mike is like okay we're gonna tease you. It's an interesting format for a game, but why not try a more vanilla relationship on your next game to please everybody else who doesn't want to keep going with this ntrs. I wanted to marry Laura at one point playing this, then to finalize some rules and be like okay only Nathan sometimes when I'm super busy. But that won't be happening in the dom route will it? That's why I'm better off playing a different hentai game or seeking a real relationship irl where I hopefully don't get my heart broken again.

 

[BatuRem]

This is a Netorase game. Of course the more she sleeps with other men the more happy MC is. Thats, like, the whole point.

What do you all people want, for fuck sake? She sleeps with other men, you're complaining. She sleeps with MC, it's vanilla.

So tell me what the hell would make you happy next update, because I really cannot understand what y'all are asking for, and the way I see it, whatever I'm doing, you are complaining.

I think this image sums up the dilemma. NTS has to always toe the line farther and farther between NTS and some other, too far fetish (often NTR) to keep things interesting. NTR, instead, has the opposite problem, where it needs to always go slower and slower as it gets closer to the finish line because once the cuck is broken, the story is basically over. People are going to be mad if you're not toeing the line because they feel like the plot isn't going anywhere and the MC is regressing away from the tension they enjoy.

TBH I think you've toed the line quite well each update between vanilla NTS and NTR/sharing/corruption to keep things interesting. You've got sort of the Burn Notice style where the first five minutes and last five minutes of each episode are dedicated to the season-long arc while the middle 30 minutes are reserved for the bread-and-butter NTS. It's a delicate balance to achieve and everyone's line is going to lie somewhere different so you're almost never going to satisfy everyone in the same way that Star Periphery is able to (oh wow, the twink got railed by a futa again - what a plot twist!)

NTS is arguably one of the hardest kinks to write for and the community never appreciates that. Even worse, the anti-NTR/NTS community seems worse than every other anti-community on the internet. You're never going to capture the entire NTR/NTS audience as one developer. Not even DPC can and he's got 100x the resources and time you do.

 

[Joshy92]

Dev has over 1700 members in less than a year so he's obviously doing something right.

 

[Dealbreaker]

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Dev has over 1700 members in less than a year so he's obviously doing something right.

That is impressive, indeed.
But we unfortunately don't know what these people expected when they subscribed. The game is at it's peak now, at it's moment of decision, and as the dev said he has made his decision for better or worse.

 

[Kabowa]

While I was disappointed about the previous update. Yesterday's one is a slam dunk!

The chapter with Mike is really well done and sets up some interesting choices, that are tracked in the notes, for future encounters! The reclaiming chapter was also really well done and shows the relationship between MC and Laura.

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One thing I liked and had hoped to see more of though, was more character development for the MC. There's this talk at the end of the chapter. Like the chat with Tara in the update before, I really liked it. However I wish it was as bit more than just one reply. Would give the MC a bit more character if we could make it a bit more choices and options for the MC. Digging into his motivations and/or life beyond the one single line.

 

[tiagoreloads]

When will the new 0.17 version be released here?

 

[alex220477]

I agree, if there isn't a little friction, a touch of jealousy or competitiveness or even doubt then it gets too sterile. Yet you have people who think it becomes hard NTR the moment the girl sees the guys as anything more than warm dildos so things can't be but either complete depersonalization of either the girl or the guys where they lose basic human emotions but at the same time become more and more sexually depraved. At which point it is no different than watching two random unrelated pornstars fuck on camera and even those pornstars hold positive or negative opinions or emotions about each other most of the time, why bother with naming them if there is no human element behind the name?

If Le Stag would even choose to let Laura have more of a relationship with any of the guys she fucks beyond meeting up to have sex which may or may not include companionship then I think there would be a lot of backlash. Especially if this would actually include things that could result in friction or jealousy, let alone things like romantic moments between Laura and Nathan and I think not even Le Stag himself wants that since he seems to also want it to be completely certain experience without any questions about emotions.

And no this isn't about turning this game into a full on NTR, I don't want that. It's about having emotional stakes which if there is no risk then there is none, you can't have trust if there is no chance for that trust to be broken in the first place.

you're right for a good number of points, but if you look at Nathan and Laura today, you can't help but say that they are a couple, NAthan now dominates the scene, when he wants her, she goes, if he wants to photograph her, she goes, they send each other continuous messages, they always chat, LAura when she talks about Nathan has a different warmth, compared to Oliver, compared to Mc too, to Mc, today, she only asks to wait for the reheated second courses, Laura is wrong to ask Mc who to give her ass to first, or to fuck without a condom, those two choices, should not have been considered, they are decisions in favor of Nathan, if LAura wanted to play with Mc, I repeat, play with sharing, then there are acts that she should not have overcome, NTR is not only when another boy takes your girl away, but when THE girl and her bull, decide the rules, and you are there passive, and this also happens in the dominant section, doing something that you have never allowed your boyfriend, breaks the respect and goes beyond the limit of the game, to be honest, here they are so stupid boys that they did not even foresee the limit. But this is my thought.

 

[alex220477]

While I was disappointed about the previous update. Yesterday's one is a slam dunk!

The chapter with Mike is really well done and sets up some interesting choices, that are tracked in the notes, for future encounters! The reclaiming chapter was also really well done and shows the relationship between MC and Laura.

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One thing I liked and had hoped to see more of though, was more character development for the MC. There's this talk at the end of the chapter. Like the chat with Tara in the update before, I really liked it. However I wish it was as bit more than just one reply. Would give the MC a bit more character if we could make it a bit more choices and options for the MC. Digging into his motivations and/or life beyond the one single line.

good for you, but here Mc no longer exists in decisions, in fact, it never existed, you know why, the dev gives us identical options, therefore, if Laura orders us to wait, we have the same answer twice, written differently, but which say the same thing, therefore, you have no choice, as Mc you stay there and wait for your beautiful humiliation, I repeat, the rules have been overcome, therefore, it is an NTR, no longer NTS

 

[tiagoreloads]

good for you, but here Mc no longer exists in decisions, in fact, it never existed, you know why, the dev gives us identical options, therefore, if Laura orders us to wait, we have the same answer twice, written differently, but which say the same thing, therefore, you have no choice, as Mc you stay there and wait for your beautiful humiliation, I repeat, the rules have been overcome, therefore, it is an NTR, no longer NTS

Could you link the download?

 

[Vibesy]

When will the new 0.17 version be released here?

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[tiagoreloads]

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Goated, Also LeStag, im sorry i had to ask here i´ve been a recurring patreon sub for a while but this month im a little tight on money.

 

[Kabowa]

good for you, but here Mc no longer exists in decisions, in fact, it never existed, you know why, the dev gives us identical options, therefore, if Laura orders us to wait, we have the same answer twice, written differently, but which say the same thing, therefore, you have no choice, as Mc you stay there and wait for your beautiful humiliation, I repeat, the rules have been overcome, therefore, it is an NTR, no longer NTS

Your rants are getting old and you sound like a broken record.
It's clear you just want LeStag to write NTR cause you twist it all to be that. Ignoring options in the game to skip over stuff and pretending the choices don't make it out to be anything else.

Of course you're not going to have much "freedom" of choices, it's a kinetic novel. Not a sandbox game. It plays out following an exact script and you have the option to skip over stuff you don't like, but for the rest you stick to the script.
Yes Nathan is sometimes too much like a boyfriend, but he isn't even in the last update. The rest of what you keep ranting about is utter nonsense. She offers you her ass, cause as boyfriend you should have first crack (pun intended). Same for creampies. Nathan isn't even this consideration (like it was with condoms, and when he still was the only bull).

And yeah, she talks to her bulls a lot, including Nathan. BECAUSE IT'S A SEX GAME. If you are looking for deep meaningful conversations about the meaning of life and whatnot in a porn game, you clearly are looking in the wrong place. Ofc they are gonna talk about sex. And sex in this game is 80% sex with her bulls.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

Laura says to keep stroking for her while she sleeps with other men. So ofcourse we'll do it. Let's all just be happy that we're "a cuck now" like one of the chapters was titled. Lol

 

[alex220477]

Your rants are getting old and you sound like a broken record.
It's clear you just want LeStag to write NTR cause you twist it all to be that. Ignoring options in the game to skip over stuff and pretending the choices don't make it out to be anything else.

Of course you're not going to have much "freedom" of choices, it's a kinetic novel. Not a sandbox game. It plays out following an exact script and you have the option to skip over stuff you don't like, but for the rest you stick to the script.
Yes Nathan is sometimes too much like a boyfriend, but he isn't even in the last update. The rest of what you keep ranting about is utter nonsense. She offers you her ass, cause as boyfriend you should have first crack (pun intended). Same for creampies. Nathan isn't even this consideration (like it was with condoms, and when he still was the only bull).

And yeah, she talks to her bulls a lot, including Nathan. BECAUSE IT'S A SEX GAME. If you are looking for deep meaningful conversations about the meaning of life and whatnot in a porn game, you clearly are looking in the wrong place. Ofc they are gonna talk about sex. And sex in this game is 80% sex with her bulls.

But what are you talking about, you have to fuck your bulls, not chat like lovers, I wrote that in an NTS you play to have fun with your boyfriend, GAMES, you know the word, but if you grant others a privilege before your boyfriend, then, I'm sorry, but you're just an altruistic slut, you ask me about NTR, the game became NTR, because Laura is disrespectful, maybe, you have a strange way of understanding, or maybe you like humiliation, the games where you humiliate your partner, are the ones I hate, I accept the NTRs where the girl runs away with the bull, they are more beautiful, but humiliating someone, I can't stand them, because it makes you understand how weak MC is, this makes the game worse, it creates a weak, cuckold, idiot MC, you like an MC like that, without balls, then it's not NTS. learn the two acronyms

 

[Dealbreaker]

She offers you her ass, cause as boyfriend you should have first crack (pun intended). Same for creampies.

But isn't this rather a sign, that she still doesn't quite get his kink or at least that she is not that into it and comfortable with it. Because she still insists on asking for the creampie even if the MC has rejected fucking her raw before. This doesn't make sense unless she wants to pull him back from the consequences of his kink. And she seems really disappointed and taken aback when he newly rejects it - so this isn't just a tease. Clearly he wants instead that she sets limits for him if he has set them repeatedly for himself before. But she doesn't play along. She seems to enjoy the part of the whole thing, where she can be a slut and he is watching her, but what she doesn't seem to get is that this on the other hand demands, that he gets more and more into the role of the mere watcher, in order to enjoy the intensity of watching her. This is the meaning of his self-denial.
And if we are in a scenario without possessive claims - why should the MC have the claim to be the first? What meaning does this even have anymore given everybody is pretending to be beyond these petty emotions?

 

[JQuillon]

But isn't this rather a sign, that she still doesn't quite get his kink

That's because you seem to think (like alex above) that this is a hard NTR game that has lost his way--which makes me think that this is you who didn't get MC's kink, nor the point of the game.

I mean...

self-denial

Are you sure you're on the right thread? Because there is literally no "self-denial" in this game (unless you specifically want to go that route, and even then, it's not real denial).

Anyway...

 

[Dealbreaker]

Are you sure you're on the right thread? Because there is literally no "self-denial" in this game.

Of course there is self-denial everytime he forgoes a certain sexual act with her. He explicitely says he doesn't want to fuck her raw, this should be limited to the bull. The same with anal and creampie. This is the very definition of self-denial. I don't know what you are talking about.

And all this talk with "hard NTR" again. Can't you see that I am trying to go beyond these totally meaningless and hostile labels which undermine any honest debate? This has nothing to do with cheating, which is hard NTR. Have you ever played japanese NTS games. They all have as an integral part this step-by step retreat of the MC.

 

[rezaf]

I agree this game doesn't have enough "true" choices / routes. But the game isn't even finished and of course this is up to the author's discretion, so I'm not complaining about the matter, just stating it.
If this were a RenPy game, I'd be tempted to mod in some alternative scenarios myself, alas, this being a Unity game, that's not possible.