VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.22.1] [Le Stag]

[Luc77]

What are you referring to?
There's been no surveys on patreon. Just some polls, and those don't mention anything on NTR or "acceptable NTR".

what you talking about ?

after all, there was a poll (or even two) - in which You were mentioned
about kinks you would like to see in the future
and (CNC, free use, male chasity or pregnacy/breeding kink) - this issues are close to NTR (not pure japan NTR)
its shadow between NTS - NTR

 

[Le Stag]

If you write NTS narratives as emancipatory and empowering experiences of the women, of course her focus will shift away from the MC.

That's a very sad point of view.

 

[Dealbreaker]

That's a very sad point of view.

It's meant as a simple description of narrative mechanics, not as a value judgement and not even as a statement about real life dynamics (where I would regard it as a matter decided by the observations of facts). And I wouldn't regard it therefore as a "point of view" (which sounds like a normative standpoint) but as an observation.
Why aren't we prepared to pay a prize for things we see as progressive and good? Nothing and especially nothing regarded as good comes without a prize to pay. If we are really serious with concepts like empowerment, especially in matters of sex, we have to accept the consequences and can't pretend that nothing changes.

 

[LJsecret]

No Mac version ?

 

[Dealbreaker]

By the way - I have never seen a porn game, where we describe the man finding his sexual fulfillment and joy in fucking other women and at the same time making an effort as authors or viewers to claim that thereby his love for his wife /girlfriend is intensified or remaining untouched. Why? This narrative doesn't exist (and for what it's worth - the narrative of sex as an empowering experience for men isn't persued either). I don't complain about that, I'm not sure I would want to view that, but we have to keep that in mind if we want to see the whole picture and the imbalance of the narratives.

 

[Turian01]

what you talking about ?

after all, there was a poll (or even two) - in which You were mentioned
about kinks you would like to see in the future
and (CNC, free use, male chasity or pregnacy/breeding kink) - this issues are close to NTR (not pure japan NTR)
its shadow between NTS - NTR

Oh wow, a poll asking about kinks means they’re all secretly NTR now? Incredible detective work. By that logic, if a poll had 'feet' on it, would that mean the game is now a foot fetish simulator? Kinks exist independently, and just because something can be used in NTR doesn't mean it magically transforms everything into it.

Also, an interest poll isn’t a contract. Stag—you know, the guy who actually writes the game—has already shut this down completely. But hey, don’t let reality get in the way of your wild imagination.

 

[Fyo]

By the way - I have never seen a porn game, where we describe the man finding his sexual fulfillment and joy in fucking other women and at the same time making an effort as authors or viewers to claim that thereby his love for his wife /girlfriend is intensified or remaining untouched. Why? This narrative doesn't exist (and for what it's worth - the narrative of sex as an empowering experience for men isn't persued either). I don't complain about that, I'm not sure I would want to view that, but we have to keep that in mind if we want to see the whole picture and the imbalance of the narratives.

Idk, I've seen a million harem games.

 

[Luc77]

Oh wow, a poll asking about kinks means they’re all secretly NTR now? Incredible detective work. By that logic, if a poll had 'feet' on it, would that mean the game is now a foot fetish simulator? Kinks exist independently, and just because something can be used in NTR doesn't mean it magically transforms everything into it.

Also, an interest poll isn’t a contract. Stag—you know, the guy who actually writes the game—has already shut this down completely. But hey, don’t let reality get in the way of your wild imagination.

dats wight wabbit

 

[Dealbreaker]

Idk, I've seen a million harem games.

Harem is exactly proving my point: this narrative doesn't care about a girlfriend/wife, most don't even have such a character. You didn't get my point, it is not about the fucking but what it means for your relationship to your actual partner and your attachment to him/her.

 

[awer567]

what you talking about ?

after all, there was a poll (or even two) - in which You were mentioned
about kinks you would like to see in the future
and (CNC, free use, male chasity or pregnacy/breeding kink) - this issues are close to NTR (not pure japan NTR)
its shadow between NTS - NTR

What kink is winning in the poll?

 

[Luc77]

Breeding play

 

[La Dani]

Breeding play

Olalà !!

 

[Luc77]

Olalà !!

at the same time, it has a high level of denial

IMO this will not appear in the game - its far away from LeStag idea

 

[notaname000]

By the way - I have never seen a porn game, where we describe the man finding his sexual fulfillment and joy in fucking other women and at the same time making an effort as authors or viewers to claim that thereby his love for his wife /girlfriend is intensified or remaining untouched. Why? This narrative doesn't exist (and for what it's worth - the narrative of sex as an empowering experience for men isn't persued either). I don't complain about that, I'm not sure I would want to view that, but we have to keep that in mind if we want to see the whole picture and the imbalance of the narratives.

Because Cuck Queening or Female POV NTS (FNTS?) isn't a large fetish. As someone else on this thread mentioned way back when, NTS/NTR is enjoyed because it invokes emotions like nothing else can. FNTS would only invoke the same emotions if you identified with the wife/girlfriend, but as the vast majority of porn game players are male this isn't going to happen.

Harem games, however, do happen a lot because it's a typical male fantasy, but surprisingly that fantasy doesn't really extend to your wife asking you to cheat and humiliate her because she enjoys it.

 

[La Dani]

at the same time, it has a high level of denial

IMO this will not appear in the game - its far away from LeStag idea

I didnt played last updates. There was a creampie by some men in wife’s pussy ?

 

[Dealbreaker]

Because Cuck Queening or Female POV NTS (FNTS?) isn't a large fetish. As someone else on this thread mentioned way back when, NTS/NTR is enjoyed because it invokes emotions like nothing else can. FNTS would only invoke the same emotions if you identified with the wife/girlfriend, but as the vast majority of porn game players are male this isn't going to happen.

Actually I myself was one of those who mentioned that and that is the reason why I regret that the game doesn't use this potential more. And I can't detect any counter-arguments to what I said in your post here, I generally agree with it.
But I would assume even among women the cuckqueen fetish is very rare because women generally don't expect men to be total studs fucking around while loving their wife sentimentally anyway., because I don't think that being cucked is really a thing for women, it's rather being taken for them which is the opposite or better: mirror fantasy to that.
That men on the other hand expect that from their NTS girlfriends is, so my suspicion, in reality not so very progressive but simply a new variation of the age old male fantasy of the madonna whore complex. They want a sexually assertive playful and hyperactive woman which at the same time still loves them and is safely theirs. She is sexually totally wild but emotionally totally loyal. This is a superhuman fantastic ideal built for current male wishes. She can be enjoyed and sexualized without guilt or fear, of losing her, because one can always say: she is liberated she wants it etc.

 

[asaness]

hmm theres creampie tag they have added that now? or gf is now doing raw sex?

 

[Adamska]

By the way - I have never seen a porn game, where we describe the man finding his sexual fulfillment and joy in fucking other women and at the same time making an effort as authors or viewers to claim that thereby his love for his wife /girlfriend is intensified or remaining untouched.

There are many erotic stories that do this well. Probably fewer VNs/games like this in the world to pull as examples, but one popular "mainstream" option is Deliverance (MC/wife). One promising game in development that I've been enjoying recently is Mastering The Pink Box - the relationship between MC and Devon seems like it will explore these themes. Things usually feel more natural when the sex fetishes are a background element to another main plot, but it can also work in these purely "slice of life" games, too. The slice of life stories are supposed to be immersive though, so readers aren't guided through a nice summarized plot with an intro, problem, climax, and ending with a moral lesson... here we're supposed to be taking a vacation into the life of a share enthusiast couple and just vibing with the day to day experience.

The love between MC and Laura in this story is baked in and already established, so relationship dynamics won't be a theme the author's exploring and making commentary on outside of these two are kinky and having fun, let's see what they get up to! I think some of the trouble Stag runs into is that the phone/messaging system here is too immersive and the game can start to feel off-putting when a reader feels forced to agree to/commend Laura for/ask for things that don't fit their personal kink preferences... kink dissonance.

 

[Dealbreaker]

I will check that out, thanks for the tip. (But just to be clear: I didn't mean sharing as swinging of course)

 

[ces4rs4nju4n]

Hello, does anyone know if they plan to add more languages to the game.