VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.28.1] [Le Stag]

[Le Stag]

I agree the ver dominant path you should be in more Control and not like you Said "yes or i would like it" , and have more im your "master" like Im the anal scene whit Nathan you Control the fact if She does Anal whit him or not and i choose no because that ass is only mine

The issue is that, for every "true" decision you can make, I have to write consequences, and future possible paths. So I have to limit those, or I'd end up taking 3 months writing 1000 different paths for each chapter.

I'll be honest, I've been tempted a few times to actually abandon the Dominant route. It's the least played one, and it's the one requiring both the most work, and generating the most complaints. So I've settled on a general "mood", and limited actual decisions to important elements, but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything, because I literally cannot with the game's format.

 

[Dealbreaker]

There was a story arc of Laura and MC discovering the kink and then getting into it. Now they're into it. The game either has to end or introduce some new conflict.

There has to be an interplay of two directions, two processes in theses stories around sex: 1. breaching or dissolving boundaries and llimits and 2. at the same time establishing new ones. The latter often doesn't happen and the game flattens. Also giving up power, control or claims never seems to have any backlash. In this case we are nearing the state where all boundaries are dissolved, Tara's reluctance is the last one standing and the last possible plotpoint in this direction so to speak (gangbangs don't really add something qualitatively new). Somebody has to demand new exclusivities. Maybe Oliver has to claim Laura for himself, or Nathan does that because he sees the danger coming from Oliver, because Laura gets more and more into being dominated. Or Tara is only prepared to fuck with the MC and this pisses off Laura etc. These are just examples.

 

[Dealbreaker]

but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything,

And this wouldn't be necessary nor a reasonable expectation on the side of the player, speaking for myself.

 

[alex220477]

There has to be an interplay of two directions, two processes in theses stories around sex: 1. breaching or dissolving boundaries and llimits and 2. at the same time establishing new ones. The latter often doesn't happen and the game flattens. Also giving up power, control or claims never seems to have any backleash. In this case we are nearing the state where all boundaries are dissolved, Tara's reluctance is the last one standing and the last possible plotpoint in this direction so to speak (gangbangs don't really add something qualitatively new). Somebody has to demand new exclusivities. Maybe Oliver has to claim Laura for himself, or Nathan does that because he sees the danger coming from Oliver, because Laura gets more and more into being dominated. Or Tara is only prepared to fuck with the MC and this pisses off Laura etc. These are just examples.

you wrote some good points, especially the Tara and MC situation more intimate, these points, would give different interests, parallel stories, you hit the nail on the head, Laura is now the sex toy of her lovers, much more than Nathan, ridiculous, MC is no longer in any path, neither dominant nor passive, LAura tells him and shows him the photos, MC is happy, then like a good puppy waits for his sloppy dish, on the other hand Tara, has personality, accepts with great reluctance the open mind, but makes it clear that she has serious interest in MC, it's like you said, LAura understands that she is losing MC, provided that she is in love with him, because if, now, for LAura, the real meaning is, to have fun, then, her feelings, have diminished, it is an update path, which is fine if you play the open couple, a couple of guys, not of long-married, it is the time of the relationship, it affects the ability to manage these erotic games.

 

[Le Stag]

There has to be an interplay of two directions, two processes in theses stories around sex: 1. breaching or dissolving boundaries and llimits and 2. at the same time establishing new ones. The latter often doesn't happen and the game flattens. Also giving up power, control or claims never seems to have any backlash. In this case we are nearing the state where all boundaries are dissolved, Tara's reluctance is the last one standing and the last possible plotpoint in this direction so to speak (gangbangs don't really add something qualitatively new). Somebody has to demand new exclusivities. Maybe Oliver has to claim Laura for himself, or Nathan does that because he sees the danger coming from Oliver, because Laura gets more and more into being dominated. Or Tara is only prepared to fuck with the MC and this pisses off Laura etc. These are just examples.

There will not be things like that. As much as some of you seem to want it, this is not the story I want to tell. What I want to write is a group of people discovering their kinks, and enjoying them more and more peacefully, like adults, communicating and sharing, while keeping the love intact.

That's what I love, and that's what I'm trying to tell. There may be a few conflict beats in the future, but don't expect people trying to "claim" others, bouts of jealousy, or the likes. There are already thousands of games doing that, and I'm tired of that. That's specifically why I've been writing that game: to avoid that.

If you want conflict, you can ask as much as you want, but I'm sorry to tell you you're looking at the wrong game.


I may have plans for a future game though, with a lot of conflict...

 

[Aksy]

The issue is that, for every "true" decision you can make, I have to write consequences, and future possible paths. So I have to limit those, or I'd end up taking 3 months writing 1000 different paths for each chapter.

I'll be honest, I've been tempted a few times to actually abandon the Dominant route. It's the least played one, and it's the one requiring both the most work, and generating the most complaints. So I've settled on a general "mood", and limited actual decisions to important elements, but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything, because I literally cannot with the game's format.

Tbh, I like the game altogether and I can understand at some extend the amount of work needed so I won't mind the actual path tho... my Canon route is 95% Very Dominant route so I'll be disappointed if the route disappear unfortunately :/
The 5% is skimming the other path fast forward for pictures ONLY lol

 

[Dealbreaker]

There will not be things like that. As much as some of you seem to want it, this is not the story I want to tell. What I want to write is a group of people discovering their kinks, and enjoying them more and more peacefully, like adults, communicating and sharing, while keeping the love intact.

OK, that's fair enough and thanks for being so clear!
(but I wouldn't myself say that these conflicts aren't "adult", I think they are human)

 

[Qlippoth]

There will not be things like that. As much as some of you seem to want it, this is not the story I want to tell. What I want to write is a group of people discovering their kinks, and enjoying them more and more peacefully, like adults, communicating and sharing, while keeping the love intact.

That's what I love, and that's what I'm trying to tell. There may be a few conflict beats in the future, but don't expect people trying to "claim" others, bouts of jealousy, or the likes. There are already thousands of games doing that, and I'm tired of that. That's specifically why I've been writing that game: to avoid that.

If you want conflict, you can ask as much as you want, but I'm sorry to tell you you're looking at the wrong game.


I may have plans for a future game though, with a lot of conflict...

It's fine, but you have to understand that this means the game is basically finished.

 

[Le Stag]

Tbh, I like the game altogether and I can understand at some extend the amount of work needed so I won't mind the actual path tho... my Canon route is 95% Very Dominant route so I'll be disappointed if the route disappear unfortunately :/
The 5% is skimming the other path fast forward for pictures ONLY lol

Don't worry, it's not actually going to disappear. The current way it's implemented is the one I can do correctly, and what I settled on to not simply abandon it.

OK, that's fair enough and thanks for being so clear!
(but I wouldn't myself say that these conflicts aren't "adult", I think they are human)

They definitely are. But I honestly think most of them are caused by either a lack of communication, or bouts of immaturity. What I'm trying to portray is a "perfect" (from my point of view, and with the format limitations) Netorase relationship. So, without communication issues, immaturity, or any other elements that may create conflict.

 

[Tasty Walrus]

I may have plans for a future game though, with a lot of conflict...

I have to say, your art combined with the story of NTR Mobile would be amazing. I'd still say your storytelling is better, but he's gone in a more hard-NTR direction.

 

[Sayonara1904]

The issue is that, for every "true" decision you can make, I have to write consequences, and future possible paths. So I have to limit those, or I'd end up taking 3 months writing 1000 different paths for each chapter.

I'll be honest, I've been tempted a few times to actually abandon the Dominant route. It's the least played one, and it's the one requiring both the most work, and generating the most complaints. So I've settled on a general "mood", and limited actual decisions to important elements, but I'm not ever going to let you dictate absolutely everything, because I literally cannot with the game's format.

Yes yes i understand, but as i Said its your game and you have to have fun making it you have my support maybe not in the money way but the way that i can

As far as your game goes since the beggining a enjoy it some things are not my "kink" but i dont hate the game because of that in fact i give a opportunity because you invested your time and money on making that Path aswell

I wish all the luck and keep having fun above all!

 

[Silwith]

It's fine, but you have to understand that this means the game is basically finished.

Lucky for us you aren't the one who decides when something is finished and many many many people are still looking forward to every update and have a lot of fun with it

 

[pyefyeref]

This is a Netorase game. Of course the more she sleeps with other men the more happy MC is. Thats, like, the whole point.

What do you all people want, for fuck sake? She sleeps with other men, you're complaining. She sleeps with MC, it's vanilla.

So tell me what the hell would make you happy next update, because I really cannot understand what y'all are asking for, and the way I see it, whatever I'm doing, you are complaining.

A large part of people into NTRS that want to play "dominant" role are majorly insecure and don't know what they want, as long as any guy the girl fucks is anything more than a warm dildo they spiral out but at the same time they want to see situation escalating all the time because that's only way the stakes can remain fresh with warm dildos. They also don't want anything going between the girl and any others that isn't the most mechanical sex where the warm dildo is afforded much personality even when NTRS is all about personality. You can't listen words of people who don't know what they want.

I recommend to develop the scenarios to represent more of the life outside all the sex a bit. It's getting repetitive because now every update is just another bout in the sex ring, would be more fun if there are other things happening like in the early chapters, this includes sex and romance adjacent things like date nights, trips and things like that. Repetitiveness does kill interest in stories.

 

[Qlippoth]

Lucky for us you aren't the one who decides when something is finished and many many many people are still looking forward to every update and have a lot of fun with it

I'm not trying to discourage the dev or be an asshole, but if you receive a lot of the same type of criticism then it isn't random or meaningless noise. A lot of people feel like "Hey, this is losing steam. It feels like there's no forward progress". It might be useful to think about why that is.

 

[Dealbreaker]

A large part of people into NTRS that want to play "dominant" role are majorly insecure and don't know what they want, as long as any guy the girl fucks is anything more than a warm dildo they spiral out but at the same time they want to see situation escalating all the time because that's only way the stakes can remain fresh with warm dildos. They also don't want anything going between the girl and any others that isn't the most mechanical sex where the warm dildo is afforded much personality even when NTRS is all about personality. You can't listen words of people who don't know what they want.

A agree, and I get angry often when I think about it. This is the heart of the matter. In order to stabilize this ideal model, there mustn't be much agency on the part of the other participants, the "bulls". I myself have called them in another thread "human dildos". They would endanger the model if they would be allowed to develop possessive feelings or intens emotions. It has to be all of a serene, peaceful "fun" quality.
But I understand more and more through these discussions, that there is a certain normative ideal behind that (see last post of the dev), which cannot allow for these reactions, for a loss of control beyond the mechanical, beyond the mere "fun" into emotional turmoil. We have to respect that as an ideal, as an aim, as a certain conception of sexual relations, even if we don't see it as realistic. I wouldn't want to psychologize the motives behind that as insecurity or playing dominant, but it is a normative project a wish for a kind of sex which is exclusively a positive and peaceful force no matter how much one excalates and frees it from limits.

 

[HoM11]

I'm not trying to discourage the dev or be an asshole, but if you receive a lot of the same type of criticism then it isn't random or meaningless noise. A lot of people feel like "Hey, this is losing steam. It feels like there's no forward progress". It might be useful to think about why that is.

That is only valid if you know at least approximately the total number of people playing the game and the number of people complaining. Without it you can't say how random or meaningful the complaints are. How many people complained here? 10? 15? Even if only go by Patreon sub numbers (everyone is paying for LeStag's game, right? No pirates here), that's less than 1%.

 

[pyefyeref]

A agree, and I get angry often when I think about it. This is the heart of the matter. In order to stabilize this ideal model, there mustn't be much agency on the part of the other participants, the "bulls". I myself have called them in another thread "human dildos". They would endanger the model if they would be allowed to develop possessive feelings or intens emotions. It has to be all of a serene, peaceful "fun" quality.
But I understand more and more through these discussions, that there is a certain normative ideal behind that (see last post of the dev), which cannot allow for these reactions, for a loss of control beyond the mechanical, beyond the mere "fun" into emotional turmoil. We have to respect that as an ideal, as an aim, as a certain conception of sexual relations, even if we don't see it as realistic. I wouldn't want to psychologize the motives behind that as insecurity or playing dominant, but it is a normative project a wish for a kind of sex which is exclusively a positive and peaceful force no matter how much one excalates and frees it from limits.

I agree, if there isn't a little friction, a touch of jealousy or competitiveness or even doubt then it gets too sterile. Yet you have people who think it becomes hard NTR the moment the girl sees the guys as anything more than warm dildos so things can't be but either complete depersonalization of either the girl or the guys where they lose basic human emotions but at the same time become more and more sexually depraved. At which point it is no different than watching two random unrelated pornstars fuck on camera and even those pornstars hold positive or negative opinions or emotions about each other most of the time, why bother with naming them if there is no human element behind the name?

If Le Stag would even choose to let Laura have more of a relationship with any of the guys she fucks beyond meeting up to have sex which may or may not include companionship then I think there would be a lot of backlash. Especially if this would actually include things that could result in friction or jealousy, let alone things like romantic moments between Laura and Nathan and I think not even Le Stag himself wants that since he seems to also want it to be completely certain experience without any questions about emotions.

And no this isn't about turning this game into a full on NTR, I don't want that. It's about having emotional stakes which if there is no risk then there is none, you can't have trust if there is no chance for that trust to be broken in the first place.

 

[monkgi]

Ultimately the game is going to be what the dev wants it to be, and there's no way to please everyone. I personally want more stakes. The overall plot so far is starting to get a bit dull for me, and kind of seems to be dragging, but that might be what the dev is pushing the game towards, who knows? I just hope the dev doesn't put in some fake spice for the sake of having something happen. I overall still enjoy the game, though.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

Bro a true Dom person in a relationship doesn't share his gf. I can see why it's difficult to write this path, and CONTINUE to write it. Because it's a lot of choices and content that we won't get in the future if we keep denying her to see others.

You won't get the pictures basically.

Ya know what I mean?
I mean it's easy to write okay I'll spend day with you bf. But like then I guess just share that day to the madhouse friends? I mean it's easy but it's not high stakes ntr.

At one point I'm like hey le stag, the gf sharing kink is all good you did a good job. Can you write a regular relationship though? Just you and the girl thats it. I think you can, you have the talent to be that sort of writer. In your next project I hope. Just a regular romance no sharing whatsoever. I think a lot of us just want an actual girl to message and have a relationship with. Maybe somewhere in life we got cheated on and don't know how to prevent that from happening. In this game though it works, but like.. you see that you had a perfectly good relationship before in the early chapters. Revealed that you went on a camping trip and all that together. It was just an all of a sudden "yeah it would be spicy to see you with other guys when you go out with your friends spontaneously". Then Nathan is like a second bf pretty much. Mike is like okay we're gonna tease you. It's an interesting format for a game, but why not try a more vanilla relationship on your next game to please everybody else who doesn't want to keep going with this ntrs. I wanted to marry Laura at one point playing this, then to finalize some rules and be like okay only Nathan sometimes when I'm super busy. But that won't be happening in the dom route will it? That's why I'm better off playing a different hentai game or seeking a real relationship irl where I hopefully don't get my heart broken again.

 

[BatuRem]

This is a Netorase game. Of course the more she sleeps with other men the more happy MC is. Thats, like, the whole point.

What do you all people want, for fuck sake? She sleeps with other men, you're complaining. She sleeps with MC, it's vanilla.

So tell me what the hell would make you happy next update, because I really cannot understand what y'all are asking for, and the way I see it, whatever I'm doing, you are complaining.

I think this image sums up the dilemma. NTS has to always toe the line farther and farther between NTS and some other, too far fetish (often NTR) to keep things interesting. NTR, instead, has the opposite problem, where it needs to always go slower and slower as it gets closer to the finish line because once the cuck is broken, the story is basically over. People are going to be mad if you're not toeing the line because they feel like the plot isn't going anywhere and the MC is regressing away from the tension they enjoy.

TBH I think you've toed the line quite well each update between vanilla NTS and NTR/sharing/corruption to keep things interesting. You've got sort of the Burn Notice style where the first five minutes and last five minutes of each episode are dedicated to the season-long arc while the middle 30 minutes are reserved for the bread-and-butter NTS. It's a delicate balance to achieve and everyone's line is going to lie somewhere different so you're almost never going to satisfy everyone in the same way that Star Periphery is able to (oh wow, the twink got railed by a futa again - what a plot twist!)

NTS is arguably one of the hardest kinks to write for and the community never appreciates that. Even worse, the anti-NTR/NTS community seems worse than every other anti-community on the internet. You're never going to capture the entire NTR/NTS audience as one developer. Not even DPC can and he's got 100x the resources and time you do.