VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.29.2] [Le Stag]

[nasahilaindirim]

Try to get rid of the old files in your User Folder, maybe one of the logs or saves cause this error
go to %appdata%, this will take you to your AppData\Roaming folder
go up one folder to LocalLow, and delete \Le Stag
Be aware, you will loose your Save Files

Thank you bro. But how will I protect my save files when we delete it?
EDIT; Thanks dude, I figured it out <3

 

[Joratox]

Maybe you should have tried playing the update to see the improved character, because you're complaining about a character that doesn't exist anymore.

Letting people skip important content because they don't like a character that doesn't exist anymore, making the story an incoherent mess that they will complain about isn't a "valid choice".

Seems like a writing skill issue tbh. If you can't write content without having an obnoxious character involved, just make a new character with those attributes and make that one not skippable. It's all about how people perceived Oliver, he was a fucktard (seems you forgot about the shitstorm his appearance caused in the first place) and was optionally booted out the picture (valid reasons in my opinion, but hey, some people liked him). Bringing him back is just a slap in the face and it's pretty obvious why. People don't forget and forgive someone, because hey he's a changed man now, he won't be such an asshole again ( if you really wanted him back, you could even write a scene where he has a talk with Laura and MC and apologizes and they "make up" over some drinks and good fun...not retcon him in and immediately have him cross all the boundaries in one go).

His type of character was introduced too early in the story, I'd venture a guess that people would be ok with a new character that is a bit more dominant at his stage, just not the guy that already fucked up. Although his type doesn't mesh at all with a dominant MC, which is why him being optional was valid. On the sub route, Oliver is a stand out character, because it fits with the narrative. Even though you can choose no humiliation in dialogue, I wonder what was in your mind thinking that having the MC either stand outside the room like a dog or not come home at all is not humiliating for a dominant MC...It's not the first time you put yourself in a corner like that, trying to justify a scene that works on all routes.

I made a poll about this. Supporters have made the choice to bring Oliver back. So I brought Oliver back.

So you decided to alienate the patrons that voted against it...it's a bold strategy, let's see how it pans out. I've seen plenty of devs crash and burn when they started catering to one group of people, hope it won't be your case, since I enjoyed your story so far, even though I dislike the Oliver direction.

Since I'm just a pirate, my opinion won't matter, but I wanted to write this up for 2 reasons. One is to genuinely give some feedback/advice and the 2nd is to have my "I told you so" card for later on. If I'm the one in the wrong, no skin off my back...if you are the one being wrong, you'll lose supporters and "money".
All the best to you.

 

[Joratox]

Well I think Oliver is the best bull in the game, so you are not speaking for all of the audience.

Where in that whole post did he talk with all the audience in mind ? It's mostly in his perspective and when he mentioned other people, he specifically said people that disliked Oliver(in case you still don't understand, this means he's not talking about you and the people that like Oliver) and their agency was taken away, after having the option to skip him. Reading comprehension and media literacy at it's low proved once again.

 

[HentPlayer]

Thank you bro. But how will I protect my save files when we delete it?
EDIT; Thanks dude, I figured it out <3

I have the same problem, tell me how you solved it.

 

[JQuillon]

I haven't played this update yet so I obviously don't know how it pans out, but Oliver was such a controversial character at the time (too overbearing for any but the sub route, and he basically trampled all the boundaries that MC had established with Laura, ie there was a risk that he would have turned the game into hard NTR, the way "Math" did in NTS Honeymoon--fortunately, Le Stag avoided this pitfall, but still, Oliver clearly grated on some people's nerves) that it may have been safer to introduce a new character with more or less similar characteristics. But if Le Stag made a point of bringing him back, I suppose there's a reason as far as the story goes, so I'll suspend judgment until I've played this.

(Besides, Oliver doesn't really bother me as a character, especially since he's in a very small of the game only--but give me Nathan any day, especially now that his girlfriend can also interact with us.)

But of course there was always a risk, having people unhappy with Oliver being back after he'd been kicked out was kind of bound to happen, imho.

 

[Joratox]

I haven't played this update yet so I obviously don't know how it pans out, but Oliver was such a controversial character at the time (too overbearing for any but the sub route, and he basically trampled all the boundaries that MC had established with Laura, ie there was a risk that he would have turned the game into hard NTR, the way "Math" did in NTS Honeymoon--fortunately, Le Stag avoided this pitfall, but still, Oliver clearly grated on some people's nerves) that it may have been safer to introduce a new character with more or less similar characteristics. But if Le Stag made a point of bringing him back, I suppose there's a reason as far as the story goes, so I'll suspend judgment until I've played this.

(Besides, Oliver doesn't really bother me as a character, especially since he's in a very small of the game only--but give me Nathan any day, especially now that his girlfriend can also interact with us.)

But of course there was always a risk, having people unhappy with Oliver being back after he'd been kicked out was kind of bound to happen, imho.

The "I can't write the story without Oliver" excuse gives me the exact same vibes as that "Math" character. I mean if you can't progress the story without the character that literally wants to make Laura his plaything (no matter what route the MC is locked in)...it sort of tells me that NTR/losing Laura is pretty much where the story is headed to. And losing Laura doesn't mean that she leaves the MC altogether, but starts doing whatever she wants in the story, MC's wishes be damned. While that is realistic as fuck (a lot of open relationships end up that way), I am personally hoping this stays in the boundaries of its title "Netorase Phone".

 

[reirrr]

Maaan... Why did Oliver have to come back, and, not only that, be forced unto the player. Even with the 'changes' and whatnot, him and his content, it's all just so dislikable.

Couldn't disagree more. Love Oliver. This was the best chapter of them all.

 

[Suntar]

As much as I enjoy Oliver and loved his return chapter, I have to give this one to the "haters".

Bringing Oliver back as an unavoidable character was a mistake. Firstly it breaks the trust of the players that removed him from their games, taking away their agency and choices.
Even worse, it actually breaks the in game dynamic between MC and Laura on those routes. Laura just Independently decided to interact with a bull that MC banned before. That's straight up an NTR move, not NTS (except hyper femdom/humiliation, and even for those guys it might just break the dynamic)

Sure, you can argue banning Oliver isn't a canon option anymore, so it doesn't apply. That only really works for new players though.

I never had an issue with Oliver. Played confident stag and always thought his behaviour was way too tryhard dominant, so could never take him completely seriously. Never had issues with the way he talked to MC either. This made Laura's interactions with him both very hot and pretty amusing.
I'm happy he's back, but his return should probably be reworked again to include a substantial chat between him an MC where they talk about boundaries etc.

 

[JussieSmollett]

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As much as I enjoy Oliver and loved his return chapter, I have to give this one to the "haters".

Bringing Oliver back as an unavoidable character was a mistake. Firstly it breaks the trust of the players that removed him from their games, taking away their agency and choices.
Even worse, it actually breaks the in game dynamic between MC and Laura on those routes. Laura just Independently decided to interact with a bull that MC banned before. That's straight up an NTR move, not NTS (except hyper femdom/humiliation, and even for those guys it might just break the dynamic)

Sure, you can argue banning Oliver isn't a canon option anymore, so it doesn't apply. That only really works for new players though.

I never had an issue with Oliver. Played confident stag and always thought his behaviour was way too tryhard dominant, so could never take him completely seriously. Never had issues with the way he talked to MC either. This made Laura's interactions with him both very hot and pretty amusing.
I'm happy he's back, but his return should probably be reworked again to include a substantial chat between him an MC where they talk about boundaries etc.

Man, a substantial talk with another dude about boundaries... what a hot idea for a porn game.

 

[Le Stag]

If you can't write content without having an obnoxious character involved

Have all the people criticizing Oliver played the update or what? He's no longer "obnoxious", unless you ask him to.

So you decided to alienate the patrons that voted against it...

Do you understand how a vote works?

The "I can't write the story without Oliver" excuse

You clearly do not understand what I meant by that.

I never said I needed Oliver specifically. I said that, if Oliver was back in-game, he wouldn't be optional. That's two different things.

I could have written the same story with another character, but a majority of Supporters wanted him. Not someone else.

 

[Parnaval]

Best update)

 

[Le Stag]

Sure, you can argue banning Oliver isn't a canon option anymore, so it doesn't apply. That only really works for new players though.

If you can't wrap your head around a change in the story, I'd advise you to wait for the game to be finished, as playing a story still being written implies these kind of changes.

 

[JQuillon]

If you can't wrap your head around a change in the story, I'd advise you to wait for the game to be finished, as playing a story still being written implies these kind of changes.

I don't remember, but I think you said you rewrote Oliver's first appearance so as to make him less overbearing/aggressive, right? (tbh, I'm like Suntar on this one, I kind of felt like this was an act on his part so couldn't really take him seriously in this role) In this case, these chapters may warrant a replay...

 

[Sayora]

I can't stand Oliver and I absolutely despise that he is a forced character now. It's honestly such a shit change that it's killed all my desire to bother playing again and this was one of my top three favorite NTS games. I literally closed the game and stopped playing as soon as he was forced back again.
If you want somebody else besides Nathan then introduce new characters, don't force characters who people have specifically said they dislike and don't want anything to do with them.
The FemMC could've progressed with Hugo, Marcel, a new bull, randoms, literally anybody else, instead we have agency taken away from us and have to deal with a dickhead and an asshole. Hell at this rate we'll end up with Mike back in the picture too because I rate him on the same level as Oliver.

If people miss content because they don't want Oliver than that's their choice and a completely valid one.

If you encounter an unpleasant person on the street and have the choice to confront them, pass them by and not encounter them, or be outraged at how they dared cross your path, I'd guess you'd choose the latter option.
The author gave you the option to avoid encountering them and avoid unpleasant experiences, but you're still outraged. It's not nice.
For example, I don't like Ash, but thanks to Le Stag, I have the option to avoid her, and I understand perfectly well that I'm losing some content related to her, but I'm not just uninterested in the lost content. Get the idea?

 

[Joratox]

If you encounter an unpleasant person on the street and have the choice to confront them, pass them by and not encounter them, or be outraged at how they dared cross your path, I'd guess you'd choose the latter option.
The author gave you the option to avoid encountering them and avoid unpleasant experiences, but you're still outraged. It's not nice.
For example, I don't like Ash, but thanks to Le Stag, I have the option to avoid her, and I understand perfectly well that I'm losing some content related to her, but I'm not just uninterested in the lost content. Get the idea?

Dude..what are you on about ? You can't avoid Oliver anymore, that is the whole point of these talks right now. SMH

 

[Le Stag]

I don't remember, but I think you said you rewrote Oliver's first appearance so as to make him less overbearing/aggressive, right? (tbh, I'm like Suntar on this one, I kind of felt like this was an act on his part so couldn't really take him seriously in this role) In this case, these chapters may warrant a replay...

I've made some slight changes, but since I'll be making a Tendencies pass on older chapters, I haven't rewritten it fully. I figured I'd wait for feedback on the new Oliver before that, as I wasn't sure I had hit the right tone.

But people that did play the update, including some that hated Oliver, apparently liked his overhauled version, so his introduction will be improved using this new tone later.

 

[reirrr]

I cannot bear these assholes that think they are game director. Harassing the developer for no real valid reason. You are free to give your opinion on what you like or dislike on a game, but stop behaving like you are entitled for things to go your way.

 

[Sayora]

Dude..what are you on about ? You can't avoid Oliver anymore, that is the whole point of these talks right now. SMH

You can.
And the easiest way to do this is to tell Laura the next day that you don't want to listen to her.
And you'll miss out on almost all of the epic content featuring him from this update.

 

[reirrr]

You're developing a game in one of the most emotionally charged genres. People are going to react emotionally, not rationally.

If you don't want to alienate people with such a change, you need to calm their emotions. For the people affected, this was a huge chance. Comparable to turning Netorase Phone to Netorare Phone.
You broke their trust, that's just a fact. In this genre, trusting the dev is important. Why should they believe you will not completely change the nature of the game? To them, you pretty much did it already.

If you want the backlash to stop, you need to rebuild this lost trust.

You have no idea what you are saying. You are just a harasser that wants to get things to go his way. There was no NTR involved. Everything was done with MCs consent, in front of him and he enjoyed. Hell, he even got de FMC ready for the bull. In the scene if you tell the FMC you are not liking she will backtrack and prioritize your feelings. It is just NTS. Maybe you just don't enjoy NTS and should look for another game.

 

[Joratox]

You can.
And the easiest way to do this is to tell Laura the next day that you don't want to listen to her.
And you'll miss out on almost all of the epic content featuring him from this update.

I don't even know why I'm responding again, since you are either trolling or are intentionally stupid. Saying that you don't want to listen doesn't mean that you avoid Oliver. He fucks Laura anyway, that's not avoiding anything other than common sense. You made the comparison with Ashley. You can avoid having sex with Ashley completely, it's not something that happens in the background and you just glaze over it, like you are suggesting with Oliver.

That being said, I'm gonna stop here, I felt like I lost some brain power answering this obvious bait.