You 2 have a very wide and unusual definition of netorare tho. It's normally a type of corruption, so the attention is on the "stolen" (usually female) character's degradation, often to the point their personality is destroyed. The basic form is informed by kind of supercharged patriarchy, where it's "meaner man steals trophy woman from "weaker" man". This shifts a bit when the stealer is a futa or a lesbian but these are often men with tits. And they include sadistic elements in the antagonist, and often masochistic elements in the loser: many netorare fans don't self insert but it seems some still do. Look at the fan dispute if female protagonist NTR is NTR as an example. The anti side can't self insert there. Now maybe tanstaafl or desmosome could point us at exceptions where there is non-corruption or anti-corruption netorare. But the basic power fantasy is against the protagonist or the LI.
But though there are totally similar themes with the vanilla power-fantasy love triangle erotica, true, the power fantasy like plays out in a very different way, and the audience's expectations are almost completely opposite.Which AI did you use for this?
So NTR games NTR NTR fans with the quality of their NTR?
Here are 2 definitions I wrote for my glossary, the NTR one is in it but I kept the netorare one out:
Read my sig. That's the base requirement of what netorare, netorase, and netori are. Everything beyond my sig discussed here is about common themes and the traditional (I.E. Japanese) usage of the terms. If it doesn't fit your idea of what it is, tough. That's on you.
Not sure, honestly. Probably the new google one that is now a button on chrome browser since I was fiddling with it yesterday.Which AI did you use for this?
Yes! I hate getting cucked by bad cuck games .
At the end of the day this is kind of my point. Because NTR as a concept is so tough, and most games/stories cross it into other things or massively water it down, I can only enjoy what other people have done (I'm not yet a creative
). Because NTR is so confusing, people making NTR stuff don't even understand it or adhere to it through the life of their creation.In my opinion, there are some comics, but NTR is probably still the heaviest in some games. I like NTR, but heavier stuff and humiliation stuff are not my thing, so comics tend to give good sexual content without going too hard on the psyche. IDK, I guess it's arguable what effects you or not, games are also more time-consuming so it also depends on how much time you invest in the content overall.
Not even close. The doujins and hentai have some of the most twisted shit I've ever seen and I've been playing these games for years. I'd have to say that if you find games hitting harder it's because you just don't explore the darker side of the manga's and videos. Which is fine, to each their own.
Because eastern netorare and western netorare are very different things. Japanese netorare is about destruction, western netorare is not netorare, it's just cucking. I'm fighting an uphill battle to get netorare back to being netorare again, not just cucking.
I don't really follow? What do you see as the pure stuff if most was watered down? Type C? More psychological? Maybe tanstaafl could point you to some extreme comics? It's even more confusing for me because earlier you used a very wide definition that most fans'd see as watered down.At the end of the day this is kind of my point. Because NTR as a concept is so tough, and most games/stories cross it into other things or massively water it down, I can only enjoy what other people have done (I'm not yet a creative
I'm not even sure I would know a good NTR if it slapped me in the face, because I just don't have good NTR to gauge other NTR too. It's usually glorified cheating with voyeuristic appeal and zero real repercussions until maybe the very end where they live happily ever after or the FMC goes off to get gangbanged and pregnant. I'm not sure if a brief 1m exposition at the very end counts as good NTR.
You should try to recruit desmosome for the battle, you 2 sound exactly the same on this haha.
I don't think I really know. What I like is the happy go lucky, no doom and gloom, probably more generic cucking where the guy may be reluctant but it doesn't delve into anyone's psychological distress and depression.
This is bizarre coming from you. I flat out gave you several definitions of NTR (Including the japanese one) and you all but directly wentI don't think I really know. What I like is the happy go lucky, no doom and gloom, probably more generic cucking where the guy may be reluctant but it doesn't delve into anyone's psychological distress and depression.
I don't think I'd like anything extreme! I'm good with the happy kind.
But I think overall the point I was making is that the whole netrorare thing is just very confusing, and the people who write or create games around it may not know how it's supposed to go. So you end up with fans of it getting misled or mistagging or whatever multitude of things and issues. No biggie for me- I don't mind any whatever anyone tries to do!
Not sure how much more clear I can be.
Okay, stay the hell away from type C then.I don't think I really know. What I like is the happy go lucky, no doom and gloom, probably more generic cucking where the guy may be reluctant but it doesn't delve into anyone's psychological distress and depression.
I don't think I'd like anything extreme! I'm good with the happy kind.
But I think overall the point I was making is that the whole netrorare thing is just very confusing, and the people who write or create games around it may not know how it's supposed to go. So you end up with fans of it getting misled or mistagging or whatever multitude of things and issues. No biggie for me- I don't mind any whatever anyone tries to do!
What you're looking for is some kind of soft
That's netorase tho, not netorare. Some people use NTR as a more general term that include netorare, netori and netorase, many others like me only use it for netorare. For a quick idea about the meanings see tanstaafl's signature:
The difference is about the eventual attitude of the cuck (using this for the role) and who the LI ends up with. In netorase at the end the LI stays with the cuck who's embraced the sharing, and it can be both masochistic (focus on LI's sex with others) or a power fantasy (swinging, poly, pimping) for the cuck. There are stories where initial netorase or swinging or sharing turns into netorare. Netorase fans really hate that "netorase gone netorare" unless they're into netorare too.
I understand why the discussion may've been frustrating for you, but I don't think this is a very effective way to communicate about the genre differences and likely to raise a more defensive reply.
Weren't you supposed to take a break from the site? Anyway, care identifying the vanilla fans? Aren't you a vanilla fan now, or was that a 2-day thing last week?
I feel like I've not done good or explained clearly, so I will just bow out and know that you are right and I am wrong. I apologize to everyone who tried to engage me and got frustrated. I will do better in the next NTR thread I promise!Okay, stay the hell away from type C then.You must be registered to see the links. That's why your mention about games being too watered down was kinda confusing.
I think the writers have a pretty good idea what the genre is tho, and the way it goes is actually pretty formulaic as it's an arc-based corruption genre. What I think tanstaafl meant with VN and games being softer than the comics is probably about the tone or psychological impact. A lot of the Japanese games are cashgrabs, and the western adult game scene is mostly solo devs and small teams.
Anyway, the love triangle stuff you mentioned earlier could work as a premiss, a bit like the "netorase gone netorare" but toned down, but NTR is usually hard anti-female power fantasy even if the antagonist is female. The typical love triangle erotica that works as a female power fantasy and netorare are pretty much entirely separate as genres.
That's netorase tho, not netorare. Some people use NTR as a more general term that include netorare, netori and netorase, many others like me only use it for netorare. For a quick idea about the meanings see tanstaafl's signature:
The difference is about the eventual attitude of the cuck (using this for the role) and who the LI ends up with. In netorase at the end the LI stays with the cuck who's embraced the sharing, and it can be both masochistic (focus on LI's sex with others) or a power fantasy (swinging, poly, pimping) for the cuck. There are stories where initial netorase or swinging or sharing turns into netorare. Netorase fans really hate that "netorase gone netorare" unless they're into netorare too.
I understand why the discussion may've been frustrating for you, but I don't think this is a very effective way to communicate about the genre differences and likely to raise a more defensive reply.
Kinda curious tho, what are the genres or kinks you mostly like?
Weren't you supposed to take a break from the site? Anyway, care identifying the vanilla fans? Aren't you a vanilla fan now, or was that a 2-day thing last week?
No hard feelingsI feel like I've not done good or explained clearly, so I will just bow out and know that you are right and I am wrong. I apologize to everyone who tried to engage me and got frustrated. I will do better in the next NTR thread I promise!
I get it, but I tried to be more or less civil, but the more it seemed they didn't understand what I meant, the more rude and direct I get. After all, I did give them multiple Definitions proving their point wrong.
Funnily enough, I don't even like NTR. It comes into direct conflict with my primary fetish, femdom, since NTR usually ends up being extreme Maledom.
This is a personal flaw that you may want to deal with or just not post here.
No you didn't.
