VN Ren'Py New Antioch [R0.6] [TheRedMyst]

[UnoriginalUserName]

Yes, I'm saying you'd have to manually check EVERY time it said "Options Detected" because you'd have NO clue WHICH time was the ending starting. And I'm not doing that. Do you know how many should happen between now and the end of the game? Either the dev needs to make sure that DIDN'T lock us in, or maybe the mod can at least be like, "Modder note: This is the where you need to change the handshake variable." I know how to change the variables. I've done so plenty of times. I said it's hard to KNOW WHICH time to do so, not that it's hard to do so.

It's really not hard, though. Just play through the game and if you suddenly find yourself on a path you don't like, like say being forced to side with Dante and the Ferrymen, there's a good chance the last "Path Detected" option is the one that had the "Shook hands" variable. Just scroll back to that point and change it. Or if you prefer actually open URM and search for the variable in there and change it whenever.

Either way, I don't think this particular thing will be an issue. I see a lot more coming from handing over the maps and documents to Stavros near the start of the game than shaking that little fucker's hand.

 

[Paradox004]

It's really not hard, though. Just play through the game and if you suddenly find yourself on a path you don't like, like say being forced to side with Dante and the Ferrymen, there's a good chance the last "Path Detected" option is the one that had the "Shook hands" variable. Just scroll back to that point and change it. Or if you prefer actually open URM and search for the variable in there and change it whenever.

Either way, I don't think this particular thing will be an issue. I see a lot more coming from handing over the maps and documents to Stavros near the start of the game than shaking that little fucker's hand.

I agree, I don't find it likely, but I'm just saying IF it happens, it's too much effort for me. So I hope it doesn't. But I'm not sure I agree with you, it'll be the most recent one you passed if things start happening I don't like. I've seen it be like 8 options back in a game before. Whatever, may not even be something to worry about.

 

[Rehwyn]

Either way, I don't think this particular thing will be an issue. I see a lot more coming from handing over the maps and documents to Stavros near the start of the game than shaking that little fucker's hand.

The way I see it, handing over the maps and other documents will probably have consequences and not taking Dante's hand will probably have consequences. The first could really come back and bite MC in the ass if he does end up aligning himself with the Empire (for example, Faustina comments about how they are losing touch with agents in the north at an alarming rate if you had over the documents, but doesn't mention this if you didn't) and the second prematurely burns a bridge, possibly making a new enemy. And at present, neither give MC an obvious advantage to balance those risks.

Some of the earliest dialogue in the game makes a point of warning against rushing to pick sides, and it's reinforced throughout. I suspect that long-term it'll pay off to keep all sides appeased with just as much demonstrations of loyalty as needed without completely screwing over a different faction until you're definitively forced into making a choice and have as much information you can gather in order to make a truly informed one.

Maybe that backfires and all factions end up hating you. But I doubt that'll be the outcome because keeping your options open carries too many other advantages, and MC is becoming increasingly invaluable as time goes on.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

The way I see it, handing over the maps will probably have consequences and not taking Dante's hand will probably have consequences. The first could really come back and bite MC in the ass if he does end up aligning himself with the Empire and the second prematurely burns a bridge, possibly making a new enemy. And at present, neither give MC an obvious advantage to balance those risks.

Some of the earliest dialogue in the game makes a point of warning against rushing to pick sides, and it's reinforced throughout. I suspect that long-term it'll pay off to keep all sides appeased with just as much demonstrations of loyalty as needed without completely screwing over a different faction until you're definitively forced into making a choice and have as much information you can gather in order to make a truly informed one.

Maybe that backfires and all factions end up hating you. But I doubt that'll be the outcome because keeping your options open carries too many other advantages, and MC is becoming increasingly invaluable as time goes on.

Meh.

I plan on riding off into the sunset on Muffin with Aquila in my lap.
Fuck everyone else.
...although Dahlia might be an ok companion as well. Haven't really seen how big she is yet, though. Not to be a "sizeist" or anything, but if that bitch is 8 feet tall it's a no.

 

[Rehwyn]

Meh.

I plan on riding off into the sunset on Muffin with Aquila in my lap.
Fuck everyone else.
...although Dahlia might be an ok companion as well. Haven't really seen how big she is yet, though. Not to be a "sizeist" or anything, but if that bitch is 8 feet tall it's a no.

On that note, my guess is that Dahlia is Subject X. The Luminary's vision essentially said Subject X wasn't in the vault, but will be at the right time. Dahlia is going in there with them. Dahl is an ex-vault hunter and familiar with this vault, so probably found her there long ago. MC felt a great familiarity with her. She seems to have supersoldier qualities like him. I'd honestly be surprised if she isn't. And I'm willing to bet the cure involves having a child together, though that could likely be done artificially or something.

As for her size, she looked to be close to MC in height, but not taller.

And as for riding off in the sunset, I doubt people will just let you do that before creating a cure without trying to hunt you down given your importance. But hey, it's a possibility, particularly if you use your position with everyone to create leverage.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

On that note, my guess is that Dahlia is Subject X. The Luminary's vision essentially said Subject X wasn't in the vault, but will be at the right time. She's going on there with them. Dahl is an ex-vault hunter and familiar with this vault, so probably found her there long ago. MC felt a great familiarity with her. I'd honestly be surprised if she isn't. And I'm willing to bet the cure involves having a child together.

As for her size, she looked to be close to MC in height, but not taller.

Well, if she is 8 feet tall I suppose the MC can "take one for the team" or jerk off into a turkey baster or something (I actually know a lesbian that got impregnated by her gay roommate that way, so it works, believe it or not).

 

[Rehwyn]

Well, if she is 8 feet tall I suppose the MC can "take one for the team" or jerk off into a turkey baster or something (I actually know a lesbian that got impregnated by her gay roommate that way, so it works, believe it or not).

I doubt she is that tall. She specifically struck me as looking different from other Northerners, which would make perfect sense if she's from a cryotube.

 

[Wolfram99]

If the northerner that was present in the Arena fights is also present in the northern lands together with "Dahlia", maybe Dahlia is the Cicero's shape shifter agent (boat girl, and the one who fluffed MC before arena fight). If MC is jam packed with various mutations, then one of those could have been the chimerism^2 for the Subject X/Y.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Just noticed we're reading the numerical row differently.
But yeah, I missed the bishop. Like I said, I'm not a grandmaster.

The king can still maneuver out of there though. Red can stay alive for at least another 2 turns, queen on E2 would likely take the pawn on H2, or white would move something else, after which red would respond.

Anyway, long story short (too late), that isn't checkmate, unless, like you said, they're playing some in-game variant.

Or you know, standard bad DAZ asset

The way I see it, handing over the maps will probably have consequences and not taking Dante's hand will probably have consequences. The first could really come back and bite MC in the ass if he does end up aligning himself with the Empire and the second prematurely burns a bridge, possibly making a new enemy. And at present, neither give MC an obvious advantage to balance those risks.

Some of the earliest dialogue in the game makes a point of warning against rushing to pick sides, and it's reinforced throughout. I suspect that long-term it'll pay off to keep all sides appeased with just as much demonstrations of loyalty as needed without completely screwing over a different faction until you're definitively forced into making a choice and have as much information you can gather in order to make a truly informed one.

Maybe that backfires and all factions end up hating you. But I doubt that'll be the outcome because keeping your options open carries too many other advantages, and MC is becoming increasingly invaluable as time goes on.

I gotta go back and change my decision to hand over the documents......

 

[Rehwyn]

If the northerner that was present in the Arena fights is also present in the northern lands together with "Dahlia", maybe Dahlia is the Cicero's shape shifter agent (boat girl, and the one who fluffed MC before arena fight). If MC is jam packed with various mutations, then one of those could have been the chimerism^2 for the Subject X/Y.

That's where I recognized him from. Thanks! That was driving me crazy and I hadn't gone back to figure where.

I don't think it's likely that Dahlia is the shapeshifter agent though, since she'd be gone from the war camp for very long periods of time otherwise. More than would likely be easily explained by her going vault hunting. Unless of course a lot more people in the camp are in on the deception, which is certainly possible.

Now I am wondering who she is shifted as though if not Dahlia... she's almost certainly around since we know she was assigned a task related to the wheat delivery, which clearly recently happened. I might need to replay the war camp scenes to see if I spot someone that could be her.

Edit: Dahlia being the shapeshift would certainly be an interesting twist though, and give MC an opening to "steal" her away from Cicero, especially if you already took up her offer before the Arena. And stealing away LIs definitely is a prominent theme of the game.

In fact, the more I think about this theory, the more I like it. Dahlia being Subject X is a little too easy to guess based on the clues given, so having a secondary twist would make it potentially more interesting.

 

[Black Orchid]

hear me out... what if dahlia is just a "ordinary" girl that befriended the subject x (assuming she stumbled on her and helped her out) and now is afraid that the odd group of strangers wants to presumably hurt her. it would explain why she was so hesitant about leading the mc and the pack to the mountain/vault.

 

[Rehwyn]

hear me out... what if dahlia is just a "ordinary" girl that befriended the subject x and now is afraid that the odd group of strangers wants to presumably hurt her. it would explain why she was so hesitant about leading the mc and the pack to the mountain/vault.

It's possible, but I interpreted her reluctance as being due more to the danger and not wanting to have to babysit outsiders, or possibly a conscious (or subconscious) reminder that she's genetically engineered and essentially spent thousands of years frozen in that vault if she is Subject X.

I virtually guarantee that Subject X is going to be a LI though, and Dahlia being that plus daughter of a ruler would amp up her importance to match that of other LIs like Luci.

My guess is that Dahlia doesn't know she's from a cryotube and not Dahl's biological daughter, much like MC didn't until recently, and will find out inside the Vault. And with her already strained relationship with her father, that revealed lie could push her towards MC and his group and away from Dahl completely. Either that, or she does know she's from a cryotube but not know she's Subject X, and once that's revealed, the importance of finding a cure will be the trigger point.

Edit: Also, I seriously doubt there will be "ordinary" LIs in this game that don't come with a host of complications.

 

[Black Orchid]

Edit: Also, I seriously doubt there will be "ordinary" LIs in this game that don't come with a host of complications.

i meant as ordinary as a girl that can probably put up a decent fight against the superhuman mc can be.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Edit: Also, I seriously doubt there will be "ordinary" LIs in this game that don't come with a host of complications.

Yeah, I think this will be more or less a "going with the lesser evil" thing in the end.

 

[Rehwyn]

i meant as ordinary as a girl that can probably put up a decent fight against the superhuman mc can be.

Yeah, I knew what you meant. But I also meant that I suspect that every LI will have some trauma in their backstory and probably some moral ambiguity. And much like Aquila, Dahlia having a similar history to MC would give her something to bond over.

Yeah, I think this will be more or less a "going with the lesser evil" thing in the end.

Or in my case with LIs, going will all the lesser evils.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Yeah, I knew what you meant. But I also meant that I suspect that every LI will have some trauma in their backstory and probably some moral ambiguity. And much like Aquila, Dahlia having a similar history to MC would give her something to bond over.

Or in my case with LIs, going will all the lesser evils.

Not surprising but I'm going full Pokémon

 

[Rehwyn]

Not surprising but I'm going full Pokémon

But yes, as I said, same plan here so far.

 

[LonerPrime]

Man the choices here are really a doozy. Zehra honestly is the biggest victim here and the most innocent. And yet..

In my eyes, if you want a strong united faction of powerful seers, Layla at the helm with Belegarde as her cuck follower is the only way Solarists and Humanists can stay together. That's also the only hope for our MC to actually have a formidable power behind him if Empire and the North goes bat shit insane, as neither Belegarde or anyone else as leader would have any reason to come to MC's aide.

So.. kill Zehra for the greater good? I mean she does take it like a champ unlike the other two who whine and moan to their deaths.

Orrrrrr it can all go to hell anyway. Layla seizes control, gets Belegarde killed like she did Da'kar, betrays MC and pretty much becomes a space faring megalomaniac

Maaaan and here I thought I was going to do a good run by avoiding asshole politics, just giving sexy women the best sex of their lives and retiring with a ton of children all around the world. So much for that plan..

 

[Pixillin']

Man the choices here are really a doozy. Zehra honestly is the biggest victim here and the most innocent. And yet..

In my eyes, if you want a strong united faction of powerful seers, Layla at the helm with Belegarde as her cuck follower is the only way Solarists and Humanists can stay together. That's also the only hope for our MC to actually have a formidable power behind him if Empire and the North goes bat shit insane, as neither Belegarde or anyone else as leader would have any reason to come to MC's aide.

So.. kill Zehra for the greater good? I mean she does take it like a champ unlike the other two who whine and moan to their deaths.

Orrrrrr it can all go to hell anyway. Layla seizes control, gets Belegarde killed like she did Da'kar, betrays MC and pretty much becomes a space faring megalomaniac

Maaaan and here I thought I was going to do a good run by avoiding asshole politics, just giving sexy women the best sex of their lives and retiring with a ton of children all around the world. So much for that plan..

Nah. Layla is popular with both factions. She doesn’t need Belegarde. And, while loyalty may not be something she’s capable of, she does want more of that magic dick and there’s no upside to betraying MC. She wouldn’t get anything out of it. Besides, Belegarde’s ideas are stupid and taking him out leaves her as the only real choice to take over.

 

[Rehwyn]

Man the choices here are really a doozy. Zehra honestly is the biggest victim here and the most innocent. And yet..

In my eyes, if you want a strong united faction of powerful seers, Layla at the helm with Belegarde as her cuck follower is the only way Solarists and Humanists can stay together. That's also the only hope for our MC to actually have a formidable power behind him if Empire and the North goes bat shit insane, as neither Belegarde or anyone else as leader would have any reason to come to MC's aide.

So.. kill Zehra for the greater good? I mean she does take it like a champ unlike the other two who whine and moan to their deaths.

Orrrrrr it can all go to hell anyway. Layla seizes control, gets Belegarde killed like she did Da'kar, betrays MC and pretty much becomes a space faring megalomaniac

Maaaan and here I thought I was going to do a good run by avoiding asshole politics, just giving sexy women the best sex of their lives and retiring with a ton of children all around the world. So much for that plan..

Nah. Layla is popular with both factions. She doesn’t need Belegarde. And, while loyalty may not be something she’s capable of, she doesn’t want more of that magic dick and there’s no upside to betraying MC. She wouldn’t get anything out of it. Besides, Belegarde’s ideas are stupid and taking him out leaves her as the only real choice to take over.

What Pixillin said here, except I'm assuming they meant to say Layla does want more of that magic dick.

It's also worth noting that if you do condemn her, some of her last words make it clear she was trying to bring her and Safiya's dream to reality. And when talking about power, she holds the opinion that power is the ability to make your dreams reality too. So I don't think their friendship is as irredeemable as it might seem with what we've seen so far, and having her not only in debt to you but also in friendly terms with one of your lovers would position a very powerful faction by your side.