In my humble opinion, I'm glad this game is going to remain primarily lesbian with a male bodyswapped to female lead since it is quite possibly the only 3D game with that concept in western porn. There are hundreds of female lead fucking men games and thousands of male lead fucking women games. Female protagonist and lesbian tagged games that actually have female protagonists who are lesbians? And its almost the whole game, rather than a neglected alternative route? Rare, and thats before you get a bodyswapped protag. If you're disappointed that the premise isn't different and don't want to play it then feel free, the worlds your oyster and you can even redo the concept and add one to the ever growing pile of hetero games, but there is no replacement for this game for people who actually like it. Nicole was made a lesbian by popular demand after all, so the people who actually play the game clearly don't think being the only entry in your genre in the entire field is bland.
Ren'Py New Body - New Life Remake [v0.16] [Moccasin's Mirror]
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Your argument is flawed. Why? Because you're talking about a theoretical scenario. We're not talking about a modern day gender change surgery or hormone injection. We're talking about someone who is dealing with the body of an entirely different person. But more importantly the MC is dealing with another person's brain. Based on what the creator stated there is still remnants in said brain of the host. Habits are hard to break, so theoretically it's not unthinkable that those habits could bleed through and influence a person to do things they might have an aversion to. In real hypnosis you can't force someone to do something they really don't want to do because of the way the brain works. But this is a story that hinges upon the concept of having a soul (at least thats what one would assume considering how things are setup). So then the question becomes which takes priority, the brain? or the soul? And that is a question nobody can prove the answer to concretely. Only the author can decide on that theoretical answer to the question for their story.
So you can say all you want "there's no way I would find the male body any less repulsive or at all sexually appealing" but at the end of the day you can't actually prove that for yourself or anyone else. You'd have to be able to prove scientifically the soul exists and then prove the soul has memory and takes complete precedence over the brain when strong feelings are involved.
Btw I don't give a damn about the whole doing a guy thing, your statement in context with the scenario just bugged me. And also I just find these subjects fascinating
EDIT: Removed stuff about hormones to avoid misinformation spread. I apologize trying to make claims on the subject (of hormones) without enough education in said subject
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There is a non zero male hormone level in any female. The same with men to women's hormones.
My entire identity would be incompatible with male attraction. Even if I experienced a physiological arousal in response to them I still wouldn't be attracted to them. When I was younger I'd get an erection every time my school bus hit a bump, didn't make me attracted to potholes.
I don't have to scientifically prove a subjective position. I definitely don't have to prove the soul exists because this entire thought experiment is predicated upon a scenario in which it does.
Your philosophy on this isn't wrong, but you can't deterministically define all human behaviour to within your own accepted parameters. There is literally no way that I would be attracted to men and still be me. If anything experiencing a woman's day to day life would reinforce my dislike of men in general. Most people exist on a spectrum, I could be pulled as far into the spectrum of being attracted to men as your soul vs mind argument would allow and I still wouldn't be attracted to them. Maybe people who don't have the same baggage would have a different experience in this scenario, but I know I wouldn't be attracted to men after this. And I most definitely know it to a higher degree of certainty than you can say otherwise, at least with regards to me.
Does this transmigrated MC have instinctual emotional/sexual attachments to the characters in the new world?
Its been a while so i may be remembering things differently but from what i remember the MC only retained the original body's memories and not the personality or emotional attachments.
If we are talking hormones and physiology then the destruction of the original's personality must mean that the isekai also overwrote the brain chemistry which includes life preferences, sexual or otherwise.
Also, since lesbians exist irl we can definitely say that just an excess of female hormones or lessening male hormones would not sway someone towards liking males and vice versa.
Its been a while so i may be remembering things differently but from what i remember the MC only retained the original body's memories and not the personality or emotional attachments.
If we are talking hormones and physiology then the destruction of the original's personality must mean that the isekai also overwrote the brain chemistry which includes life preferences, sexual or otherwise.
Also, since lesbians exist irl we can definitely say that just an excess of female hormones or lessening male hormones would not sway someone towards liking males and vice versa.
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Whats up now? A science controversy in a lesbian harem game topic? Too much smoke in the air or to many empty bottles on the ground?
They must be really high because they are saying a lot of nonsense.
it seems that my body has no estrogen because I have never in my life felt attraction towards men.
It is obvious that if a vote were taken, this lie would be exposed openly. Even for Patreon.
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with that logic Lesbian porn would not be a thing.
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Ya'll seriously need to get over it. I don't particularly think the new direction is best either, but who the fuck cares? Let the creator make the game they want to make. If you hate it, don't support it/play it, and if you love it please for the love of god and hentai do the opposite. Seriously you whiners are worse than NTR whiners at this point, and everyone knows how annoying they are, even other NTR haters.
Oh fuck, i just realized what was nagging me about this discussion....
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People who want het content have practically the rest of the site the majority of the games here are straight even with female protagonists, most of them are het games too.
if you want this transformation theme go to
why come here to argue in one that has already been said several times that is going to be lesbian and futa.
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where the majority of games are straight m2f transformation games.why come here to argue in one that has already been said several times that is going to be lesbian and futa.
lol, I am not against lesbianism. I am against pure lesbianism. I think there must be more than one man involved.
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And thats where the brain stops working...if there is a guy involved its not lesbian anymore. Thats also why the lesbian tag is pretty useless...threesomes/kinks/random scenes and sexuality/lesbian routes/yuri games are not the same...for example:
I could never play a female protagonist with (unavoidable) dicks in any form. Its hard enough to play male protagonist games, but at least i can still hunt girls there and skip the nasty sex scenes, but i could never hunt dicks without sniper rifle, shotgun, ...and i get nightmares if some dicks try to hunt me. I dont see any need to torture me in games with guys too...especially if you cant just kill them out of self defense if they try to hump you...thats unrealistic nonsense for me.
Got it? Thats the difference ^^
And the lesbian harem games on this site can be counted with the hands and there are still unused fingers left...
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As an FYI, if that were true, it would be extremely unhealthy. Humans of all sexes* need proper levels of testosterone, estrogen, and other hormones to be healthy. Women generally have around 10-20% of the amount of testosterone that males have (
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That said, it's fiction, so it's all up to the author's discretion.
*: Yes, sex isn't simply binary male/female. It's often those two, but
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Ok I admit I made some false claims on the hormones front. My bad. Hopefully people can forgive my error and still want to continue this discussion. My intention was to point out the instant drastic change in hormones rather than a gradual one like someone taking pills. But let's forget about the hormones since I'm obviously not educated enough on that front.
I'm more interested in the psychology and the concept of souls than anything. It was the person's soul not their brain though so while that statement is certainly logical it does not apply here. This is evidenced by the author's statement that the original owner of the body influences his attraction. But I'm guessing maybe you don't believe in the concept of the soul? Even if there is no soul involved it would mean the brain at least retains some remains of the previous owner. Remnants which influenced his/her newly gained interest in futa ("as a compromise") which seems to still be cannon according to the posts I've read by the dev.
Basically we know it's not a full overwrite of the brain, otherwise the MC would not have an interest in futa dick. Because if hormones have no influence and the brain is fully MC then what could possibly make the MC suddenly want dick even if it's attached to a girl.
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I mean, even if the implication is that the MC before becoming Nicole wasn't into girls with dicks, there's still plenty of straight men (or just people of any gender into women) who are attracted to them. Whether it be fictional "futanari" who're miraculously supposed to be perfectly-hot women with both sets of genitalia, or just real-life everyday transgender women (who understandably haven't gotten bottom surgery), much of the point of attraction comes from the fact that they are women, just... with a penis.
An important factor that I think people are overlooking in these debates is that for the most part, the MC has accepted that she is Nicole now. A lot of other stories in this scenario, where a guy suddenly finds himself in a woman's body, usually have scenes where the MC tries to explain that "he" has changed bodies and is still a man mentally. Even if it's to make things "less weird," she is fairly consistent in her explanations to others that "the old Nicole is gone, I'm a new one" and hasn't tried to say anything about having the "mind of a man."
Ultimately I think that the discussion of including scenes of "New-Nicole" having sex with dudes is pointless.
- It'd require re-writes for more and more existing content where she explains that she is a lesbian now
- A lot of the players who like the game for its girl x (dick)girl focus, including the actual lesbians who I'd consider to be the most important audience of the game, would probably be less interested if dev time that could've been spent adding more lesbian stuff, instead went towards adding some scene of Nicole getting the dick from some stupid-looking dude or whatever
- To repeat the point, there's already plenty of games with a lot of hetero content on here. If you want the similar guy-turns-into-girl setup with more males involved you can go play the X-Change games, or maybe Love Change, or just whatever else. This game as-is is unique and rare and losing that would suck.
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You're not a critic, you're just bitching and moaning for not getting your way lmao