New Game Fetish Poll - NTR or Dom, and Character Type

[kgirlffx]

It is not the "easy way" (there is no easy way for devs - not really), but this one is harder than you probably think. In sight that over 90% of games get dropped. Maybe one last advice, start small. chapter by chapter, piece by piece. Divide and conquer.
Good luck.

Indeed, and thank you for the advice. The first test will be a prologue I am currently working on. Depending on how complex it feels, I may fall back on a more route locked game that is perhaps a bit less ambitious, but at least it will be complete and I can make up for with a great story and renders.

Point being, I'm willing to simplify if needed. Not one of those, all or nothing, kind of devs. Practical development with realistic goals is a must for me as I am doing it all on my own.

 

[Chalker]

I know this has already been said multiple times, but here are my 2 cents.

1) Doing multiple paths for your first game is going to be a disappointment for pretty much everyone. The progress will be slow, and a side will feel like they're not getting their fair share of content. Some people will hate the game because one of the sides exists while they are a fan of the other. This is going to be hella amplified because of my second point.

2)The setup is pretty focused on being an ntr story, the protagonist has quadriplegia, and he won't be getting much action in any shape, way, or form for most of the story because of his condition barring it from happening. The non-ntr side will be about building up to becoming normal again, and once you finally get the taste of victory (not being a cripple), the game will be on the final chapter, and you don't get to savor any of it. The ntr path will be the opposite of this, allowing for any fetishes or scenes to take play from the beginning.

having the non-ntr path just be boring (cripple friendly) sex and some shoe-horned romance won't avail you anything, no matter how you spin it, the story is set up to favor the ntr-side, and you will get flamed for this.

3)The non-ntr path as you said is removing competition, regaining control of your family, and regaining the control of your body. do you know what this is? it's not a vanilla/harem path, it's a preventing ntr path. No one is going to play a game to prevent a fetish, people play games for their fetishes.

4)The ntr-tag will drive away a huge chunk of people simply by existing, optional or not. A huge chunk of the people who saw that it's optional will be driven away because of the synopsis/theme of the story, it's an utter underdog scenario.
You are not going to cater to or gain any support from this side.

Overall, the game is an NTR story from the start, don't waste your time forcing a different route simply so it can exist.

 

[kgirlffx]

I know this has already been said multiple times, but here are my 2 cents.

1) Doing multiple paths for your first game is going to be a disappointment for pretty much everyone. The progress will be slow, and a side will feel like they're not getting their fair share of content. Some people will hate the game because one of the sides exists while they are a fan of the other. This is going to be hella amplified because of my second point.

2)The setup is pretty focused on being an ntr story, the protagonist has quadriplegia, and he won't be getting much action in any shape, way, or form for most of the story because of his condition barring it from happening. The non-ntr side will be about building up to becoming normal again, and once you finally get the taste of victory (not being a cripple), the game will be on the final chapter, and you don't get to savor any of it. The ntr path will be the opposite of this, allowing for any fetishes or scenes to take play from the beginning.

having the non-ntr path just be boring (cripple friendly) sex and some shoe-horned romance won't avail you anything, no matter how you spin it, the story is set up to favor the ntr-side, and you will get flamed for this.

3)The non-ntr path as you said is removing competition, regaining control of your family, and regaining the control of your body. do you know what this is? it's not a vanilla/harem path, it's a preventing ntr path. No one is going to play a game to prevent a fetish, people play games for their fetishes.

4)The ntr-tag will drive away a huge chunk of people simply by existing, optional or not. A huge chunk of the people who saw that it's optional will be driven away because of the synopsis/theme of the story, it's an utter underdog scenario.
You are not going to cater to or gain any support from this side.

Overall, the game is an NTR story from the start, don't waste your time forcing a different route simply so it can exist.

I think you make fair and valid points. But, I really am stuck on the competitive element. It is not acceptable for me to lose that.

Toward that end, I am considering this option:

Phase ONE: Keep the focus around NTR, but still give players a protection route. Proc route would be non-harem, only protecting your family, with some wife or son's GF action, but the point of the game is NTR and competition. If you avoid all NTR, you win, save game, and load into phase 2.

Phase TWO: Use the protection route as a lead-in to a more standard romance/harem style game without any NTR elements.

I have a story planned out for the non-ntr path where John seduces Son's GF, romances his family his daughters, and changes to become an Alpha after he was at rock bottom. John heads back to work, doms his way to his goals and dreams having learned from his time crippled.

Phase Three: Create a new game from the PoV of the Old Friend having just taken John's family. Now that he won, he wants more. Game would focus on Old Friend's new target and play as a netorase corruption game using game 1 as a prologue with female cast as his backup.



I think the nice thing about this solution is that it does everything I want without trying to appeal to opposing fans in any one game. NTR fans will enjoy phases 1 and 3. Non-ntr fans will enjoy phase 1 as a great prologue with avoidable NTR and worldbuilding/rewards for phase 2, which is 100% their game with no NTR at all that they can play on its own never touching game 1 if they want.

Best of all is that this is a very easily changed road map. If I finish game one and want to move on, I can still do that, and the same with game 2-3.

 

[Chalker]

I think you make fair and valid points. But, I really am stuck on the competitive element. It is not acceptable for me to lose that.

Toward that end, I am considering this option:

Phase ONE: Keep the focus around NTR, but still give players a protection route. Proc route would be non-harem, only protecting your family, with some wife or son's GF action, but the point of the game is NTR and competition. If you avoid all NTR, you win, save game, and load into phase 2.

Phase TWO: Use the protection route as a lead-in to a more standard romance/harem style game without any NTR elements.

I have a story planned out for the non-ntr path where John seduces Son's GF, romances his family his daughters, and changes to become an Alpha after he was at rock bottom. John heads back to work, doms his way to his goals and dreams having learned from his time crippled.

Phase Three: Create a new game from the PoV of the Old Friend having just taken John's family. Now that he won, he wants more. Game would focus on Old Friend's new target and play as a netorase corruption game using game 1 as a prologue with female cast as his backup.



I think the nice thing about this solution is that it does everything I want without trying to appeal to opposing fans in any one game. NTR fans will enjoy phases 1 and 3. Non-ntr fans will enjoy phase 1 as a great prologue with avoidable NTR and worldbuilding/rewards for phase 2, which is 100% their game with no NTR at all that they can play on its own never touching game 1 if they want.

Best of all is that this is a very easily changed road map. If I finish game one and want to move on, I can still do that, and the same with game 2-3.

I think that's a pretty poor approach in my opinion, consider this.

In phase one, vanilla/harem players won't play an entire game that's about preventing ntr, it just won't be fun and there will be nothing in it for them (at the time). No one from that side will want to fund a game where the vanilla is just built up and the other side gets actual h-scenes. In phase one your main demographic will be NTR fans, and if all goes well, this will now be your paying supporter base.

After phase one is done, if you go ahead with phase two your now established supporter base will be disappointed because they came for ntr content, not vanilla/harem or whatever. You'll lose support from the ntr fans and won't really gain much from the vanilla/harem side as you'll be seen as an ntr dev from a lot of people's perspectives.

Considering this, it's quite obvious how phase three will end up.

Overall this is my take on the situation, and in the end, it's your call on how you want to develop your own game.

 

[kgirlffx]

I think that's a pretty poor approach in my opinion, consider this.

In phase one, vanilla/harem players won't play an entire game that's about preventing ntr, it just won't be fun and there will be nothing in it for them (at the time). No one from that side will want to fund a game where the vanilla is just built up and the other side gets actual h-scenes. In phase one your main demographic will be NTR fans, and if all goes well, this will now be your paying supporter base.

After phase one is done, if you go ahead with phase two your now established supporter base will be disappointed because they came for ntr content, not vanilla/harem or whatever. You'll lose support from the ntr fans and won't really gain much from the vanilla/harem side as you'll be seen as an ntr dev from a lot of people's perspectives.

Considering this, it's quite obvious how phase three will end up.

Overall this is my take on the situation, and in the end, it's your call on how you want to develop your own game.

Looking at it as a branding choice, yeah, I agree with you, but I don't want to be locked into NTR or not-NTR as it is. No matter what, if I even do another game, it will not be the same genre.

And vanilla people will still have the wife and son's girlfriend to play around with. But, to your point, the presence of a protection route is not really even about vanilla players.

The real reason for it is actually to enhance the NTR. To me personally, NTR is boring if it is inevitable. What's the point?

All of the best NTR games I have played have vanilla routes of resistance that are viable, not for vanilla players, but so that NTR players can prolong or deepen the NTR. That is what making a real resistance option viable brings - struggle.

And then we move to phase 2 where vanilla is the main show and those who want a deeper level of story can play the first game as a backdrop and avoid the NTR, or not, that's up to them if they want to skip it.

 

[justin 13]

Wow, the plot and story sound very interesting just like the game "home prisoner". i have questions regarding the game
first is have you made the design of old friend how he look and his physics etc. if he will be fucking mc wife and daughter than he must have a good physics, conversation skills , knowledge etc to impress and seduce everyone.

 

[justin 13]

and any rough idea when you will complete the first version and release

 

[Deleted member 229118]

I like the concept.

I think playing it from both side's would be nice.
One from jhon's perspective and One from the Old friend.


Drones are a big no go.
The idea that a bedbound guy has access to drones is really going to be hard to sell.
I mean why would he need to have drones.
From an inuniverse perspective he would have to justify why he would need drones to spy on people.
It isnt like he can do much.
Being bedbound and all.
And for entertainment.
Internet exist.
Very likely to ruin immersion.

Personaly i dont mind ntr as a losing condition but i think that the friend shoud have a path where he just want to help.
But might end up acting as replacement goldfish for jhon because jhon can no longer be an acting husband and father.

Corrupting the main character.
I like the idea of jhon being able to move becoming more and more of a control freak.
Ending up fucking his own kids while justifying it to himself at first.
Before just doing it because he want to.
Seeing the main character get corrupted by power is always a nice bonus.

 

[kgirlffx]

and any rough idea when you will complete the first version and release

Thanks, happy to hear the idea is of interest. Not yet, still working out some of the details. Coding has begun though, so I hope to have a prologue out in not too long. I can't say yet when that will be though.

I do have a draft of the Old Friend though. Attached here.

 

[kgirlffx]

I like the concept.

I think playing it from both side's would be nice.
One from jhon's perspective and One from the Old friend.


Drones are a big no go.
The idea that a bedbound guy has access to drones is really going to be hard to sell.
I mean why would he need to have drones.
From an inuniverse perspective he would have to justify why he would need drones to spy on people.
It isnt like he can do much.
Being bedbound and all.
And for entertainment.
Internet exist.
Very likely to ruin immersion.

Personaly i dont mind ntr as a losing condition but i think that the friend shoud have a path where he just want to help.
But might end up acting as replacement goldfish for jhon because jhon can no longer be an acting husband and father.

Corrupting the main character.
I like the idea of jhon being able to move becoming more and more of a control freak.
Ending up fucking his own kids while justifying it to himself at first.
Before just doing it because he want to.
Seeing the main character get corrupted by power is always a nice bonus.

The main justification for drones would be as a handicap service aid. John will have a service drone, with possible customization, ie: arms, graspers, ect.. This will enable him to control his environment to a better degree while bedbound. It's not about entertainment, it's for that reason.

This game takes place in 2040, so tech will be a bit better. The character's son is very into robotics and will help John customize his drone, or will help Old Friend sabotage it, depending on choices and corruption.

Corruption will be a heavy theme for all in all routes except the protection route, which focuses on John not partaking in his family and only keeping them pure.

 

[justin 13]

any update on the status of the development

 

[Entropylol]

kgirlffx Any news?

 

[whizwart]

I would think this is a prime scenario for a sharing route, with John giving at least his wife permission to play, maybe with a vouyer angle.

Ps Just thought od a scenrio where John lets wife play, but they decide not to tell the friend guy that its approved. Friend thinks its NTR when it sharing. Jojn uses drone to spy on them, which wife is into, so she looks at the drone the whole time during.

 

[Yngling]

I'm a sucker for power, weakness turns me off.

You forget that true power is not given, it has to be earned.

I'm not talking about NTR specifically but if you can't keep your women, have you earned them?

The scenario depicted would indeed ask a lot from the MC to prevent the NTR, so if he succeeds in that and at the same time also builds up (e.g.) a new successful business from his bedroom, then he'd be a true king. Much more so than somebody who e.g. inherited a lot of money from daddy.

The question however is how to make the life of a bedridden invalid interesting from an adult game perspective. Especially since it's not only his job to have his wife stay in love with him, but also prevent his daughters from getting corrupted by the antagonist. But I guess that in the non-NTR route, is should be possible to also romance the daughters, which could be even more tricky.

3)The non-ntr path as you said is removing competition, regaining control of your family, and regaining the control of your body. do you know what this is? it's not a vanilla/harem path, it's a preventing ntr path. No one is going to play a game to prevent a fetish, people play games for their fetishes.

Disagree. Both Big Brother and The Tyrant do a pretty good job at this.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

You forget that true power is not given, it has to be earned.

I'm not talking about NTR specifically but if you can't keep your women, have you earned them?

The scenario depicted would indeed ask a lot from the MC to prevent the NTR, so if he succeeds in that and at the same time also builds up (e.g.) a new successful business from his bedroom, then he'd be a true king. Much more so than somebody who e.g. inherited a lot of money from daddy.

The question however is how to make the life of a bedridden invalid interesting from an adult game perspective. Especially since it's not only his job to have his wife stay in love with him, but also prevent his daughters from getting corrupted by the antagonist. But I guess that in the non-NTR route, is should be possible to also romance the daughters, which could be even more tricky.



Disagree. Both Big Brother and The Tyrant do a pretty good job at this.

BB and TT suck ass. That's the problem of your entire premise. The NTR vibe in the NTR avoidable games gets hard in the player's face most often than not. It also takes away the appeal of the LIs (work hard to get into her paints! It has to be earned, right? But then, she gives her virginity to the antagonist's douche in two seconds - it reinforces that the MC is a loser more than anything and the LIs are whores that can't be trusted with another dick around).

There are very few games that managed to please both crowds. But those stories are really few. It's not a recommended route to take.

 

[Yngling]

BB and TT suck ass.

I understand where you are coming from but both games were really popular so they must have done something right...

And I personally think Eric is perhaps the best remembered porn game character of them all. Most hated, probably also. But I think, from a non-self-insert "literary critic" point of view, Eric was a fantastic character.

TT, as far as I remember, if you did it right (which was not that hard) there was no NTR at all. (Except mom and stepdad but that doesn't count).

It also takes away the appeal of the LIs (work hard to get into her paints! It has to be earned, right? But then, she gives her virginity to the antagonist's douche in two seconds - it reinforces that the MC is a loser more than anything and the LIs are whores that can't be trusted with another dick around).

Fully agreed on that one.

The antagonist should work just as hard for it as the protagonist.

 

[Wolf Larsen]

I understand where you are coming from but both games were really popular so they must have done something right...

They were popular because they were the OGs, ages ago. Same reason why Milfy City is still popular with a scammer dev.

Nowadays, there is a much clear "division" between NTR and Vanilla. People are less likely to accept crap such as Eric. Way more stuff in the market.

 

[ChaosOpen]

At the moment NTR has become more of a genre than an a simple kink. At this point trying to combine them is akin to trying to have a funny horror movie, they are simply two concepts that do not fit together and attempting to will only weaken them both and end up with both sides unhappy.

 

[desmosome]

At the moment NTR has become more of a genre than an a simple kink. At this point trying to combine them is akin to trying to have a funny horror movie, they are simply two concepts that do not fit together and attempting to will only weaken them both and end up with both sides unhappy.

Cabin in the Woods is a great movie that is a horror comedy.

Anyways, I do agree. "True" NTR stories are a genre that defines much for the plot progression and character interactions. You know, there has to be some other male that is straight up gunning for the girls. There will be attempts to corrupt her. In general, she will be susceptable to it. The MC will probably be some oblivious and/or weak dude.

"True" harem stories are also essentially genre defining at this point, at least in the eyes of the hardcore harem fans. It can't have any hint of another male that is a even possibly a threat. It also shouldn't have the MC lose to anyone in any kind of way, whether it be starting out weak or whatever. It should basically be a vehicle to stroke the player's dick with feel good vibes and/or power fantasy.

So these extreme versions are quite incompatible, although I wouldn't say impossible. What some dense people fail to grasp is that just because a game has a tag, doesn't mean that it is a major focus or that it's being used in the extreme, story defining way. A lot of optional NTR games are not "true" NTR stories. A lot of harem games are not "true" harem stories that appeal to a certain crowd. That is fine, they can still qualify for the tags. Devs don't owe you anything just because a tag was included in their game. And lets not even get into the tin foil mentality and persecution complex where devs are sneakily trying to cuck unsuspecting harem enjoyers lol.

 

[Yngling]

Nowadays, there is a much clear "division" between NTR and Vanilla. People are less likely to accept crap such as Eric. Way more stuff in the market.

At the moment NTR has become more of a genre than an a simple kink.

they are simply two concepts that do not fit together and attempting to will only weaken them both and end up with both sides unhappy.

I couldn't disagree more.

NTR and harem are both power fantasies and are both on the extreme ends of that power scale.

However reality is that 99.99% of the people are somewhere in the middle.
If you want to have any kind of a somewhat realistic story, you'll also be somewhere in the middle.

Now it may be that you don't care about realism, that's fine, but in my opinion realism makes for a much more interesting story.
Both harem and NTR games are totally boring. Some may be somewhat redeemed by a decent story and/or intesting kinks but even if it's ok for fapping, in the end it's still boring.

What is interesting is a story which people can relate to. With dilemma's that one could face in reality as well. With characters who are deep and believable.

Note however that realism does not mean every woman is a slut who spreads her legs the minute she meets someone (either protagonist or antagonist) nor that every man intends to steal your woman. It may mean that not all women are virgins. It may mean that some women are in a relationship with a man who is not the MC. But look around you, that is how it is.

Finally, if you play FPS games only with an invincibility cheat, how much fun is that? Power fantasy? Sure. But it's lacking any kind of challenge.

At this point trying to combine them is akin to trying to have a funny horror movie,

Now that you mention it, I think humour is very often lacking outside comedy movies.
In reality, humour is a way for people to deal with unpleasant emotions.
Therefore it would be very appropriate for e.g. action / war movies to contain a lot of humour because for a soldier on the battlefield, humour is often the only way to deal with everything that happens. Sadly this is often forgotten by movie producers.