VN Ren'Py Abandoned No More Money [v4.1.1 S4 Ep.1 GE] [RoyalCandy]

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JakReaver

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Off topic, but 50% is still pretty bad.
If you are playing Western VNs only. In your total watchlist, the abandoned % should about 35%

;);)
It's not, I was being an asshole. I just checked and it is closer to 20%. I'm doing better than the average! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Alfius

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JakReaver said:
NOW the really interesting thing, that I am going to throw out without evidence, is that incest seems to be a really popular tag for some of the top rated games (here and on patreon). I think if you filter for incest games you would find an even higher percentage of abandoned games because people think it is easy money, they start making a game, try to fund it through patreon, and eventually abandon it because they bit off more than they can chew. This would also explain why so many people here think that games get abandoned so often. Everyone, developers and coomers, are chasing the tag.
Just confirmed your suspicion.
Incest (non-Japanese)
Abandoned = 37 pages
Completed = 19 pages
In Progress = 28 pages
 
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VoidlessBat

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abandoned another game because incest is wrong all of a sudden, because they can't separate fiction from reality, and yet they still want to make porn games??? Maybe you should quite making games all together. Anyone who believes this tripe is a sheep, what total and utter bullshit. Thank you, fuck you, bye.
 

Ruykiru

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Wow, so we really got absolutely cucked and stolen one of the hottest slow burn sis arcs because the dev turned into a moralfag? Sad to see, if he isn't just covering his base with that lame excuse.
Sad to see another one go, but this is what happens when you get burn out because you milked subscribers for years instead of finishing your project. No More Money? Soon no more patreons, I guess. Nobody likes being lied to.

Just confirmed your suspicion.
Incest (non-Japanese)
Abandoned = 37 pages
Completed = 19 pages
In Progress = 28 pages
I will offer some advice. Have a clear vision and a plan. That's the most important thing from the beginning. Just chasing trends without the passion ends up in an abandoned project. If you're gonna make an incest story and want to explore the taboo, don't make silly patches that only change names because you want to ride the patreon money. Make it the default, use substar or other platforms, interested people will flock in anyway. If you have burn out, pause for a while. Communicate early to your subs and tell the truth. Don't milk. You don't need 5 years to make a slow burn story if you focus on what's important and have a plan. Also please, fiction is not reality. You can be a perfectly functioning adult, but a depraved incest loving pervert in your room. It's all in your head, don't let that consume you.

I say all that in good faith as a fellow incest dev to anyone reading, to keep in mind if you ever wanna create something that is more than just a money printing machine.
 
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HAHAHA, this has to be the single worst reason to abandon a game that I've ever seen, suddenly the dev was hit with extreme morality and states that he can't make a game with incest anymore, because he has a family now?? Umm didn't you have a Mother or a Sister before? WTF are you talking about, what compete nonsense. Abandoned another game, will never support you again, a load of shit.
 

jmcronshaw

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everyone seems to really be overanalyzing this.
Dude was making porn games and didn't tell his girlfriend/fiancé/wife.
They got married and had a kid and somehow she found out and was like "you need to stop doing this or we're getting a divorce" and he said okay.
Everything else is noise/spin by the dev.
And saying "I'm having a crisis of conscience because i am now a father" is a lot more palatable in this type of environment than "my wife told me I have to stop making porn games"
 

fpsgamer

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everyone seems to really be overanalyzing this.
Dude was making porn games and didn't tell his girlfriend/fiancé/wife.
They got married and had a kid and somehow she found out and was like "you need to stop doing this or we're getting a divorce" and he said okay.
Everything else is noise/spin by the dev.
And saying "I'm having a crisis of conscience because i am now a father" is a lot more palatable in this type of environment than "my wife told me I have to stop making porn games"
I would've totally believed that if he didn't say he will make other Adult Visual Novels without Incst. I doubt his wife would be okay with AVN even without Incst. If that was the case he would have to just stop Developing AVN all together.

Still wife being okay with just AVN without Incst would've been better than reason he gave us.
 
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justin.case

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All he had to do was make them "step" related. So his dad is his biological father but got with Charlotte later who already had Triss. It was the dev who decided to make them all bio related and do the whole Charlotte remembering the MC as a baby, before sucking his dick thing. I could have done without that personally. Make Triss his step-sister and Charlotte the neglected step-mom, simple.
That's not how it works though. He is not fixing so his game can fit to some regulations. In his mind, Triss will always be the sister and Charlotte will always be the mother, it won't matter if you name them shapeshifting alien.

Though, I don't think dev being honest about why he is abandoning. What he said may played a part but I don't think it's the entire truth. Maybe we'll learn, maybe we'll never learn. I've found this game a month or two ago, so my disappointment is not that big but it's sad to see losing such a good game.
 

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That's not how it works though. He is not fixing so his game can fit to some regulations. In his mind, Triss will always be the sister and Charlotte will always be the mother, it won't matter if you name them shapeshifting alien.

Though, I don't think dev being honest about why he is abandoning. What he said may played a part but I don't think it's the entire truth. Maybe we'll learn, maybe we'll never learn. I've found this game a month or two ago, so my disappointment is not that big but it's sad to see losing such a good game.
For those of us who've been playing for years it's worse. I imagine for patrons it's infuriating.
 

justin.case

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For those of us who've been playing for years it's worse. I imagine for patrons it's infuriating.
Yeah, I can imagine. There are one or two games I try to follow and I can feel abandonment is coming soon for them and it's kinda infuriating scenario.
 

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That's not how it works though. He is not fixing so his game can fit to some regulations. In his mind, Triss will always be the sister and Charlotte will always be the mother, it won't matter if you name them shapeshifting alien.

Though, I don't think dev being honest about why he is abandoning. What he said may played a part but I don't think it's the entire truth. Maybe we'll learn, maybe we'll never learn. I've found this game a month or two ago, so my disappointment is not that big but it's sad to see losing such a good game.
I didn't mean Patreons rules or any other type of rules, I meant how the dev implied that he didn't want to continue to work on the game because it has and in his words promotes "incest" especially now that he has a family of his own.
 

justin.case

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I didn't mean Patreons rules or any other type of rules, I meant how the dev implied that he didn't want to continue to work on the game because it has and in his words promotes "incest" especially now that he has a family of his own.
I know, that's what I was pointing out. Changing MC to stepson, tenant or any other shenanigans would not work in Dev's situation. He does know they are related, he created them as such so whatever you do he will feel like he is creating an incest story. Now he is uncomfortable with that, he has to stop. There is no way around. Maybe except killing the current MC and introducing a new MC, which will be a different game. Or dropping Charlotte and Triss, maybe Denise too, as LIs, which will cause an uproar bigger than abandonment. So in anyway, if the devs explanation legit, there is nothing he could do but quit the production.

But I don't believe that. These kind of changes won't come this suddenly. It usually creeps up, a guilty feeling there, doubts at another, forces you to do things differently on subtle things etc. What I read was not the entire truth. This could be part of the reason but I don't think he tells all of it.
 

justin.case

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If the dev's explanation is legit he's being a kink-shaming hypocrite. Nothing about that is forcing him to dump the project, he's either leaving some details out or that's just the case.
I also think he is leaving some details but you are being unfair there. He is not kink-shaming anybody. People can lose a fetish or interest, just like they can develop one. If he is uncomfortable now which he was not before, that means he changed. That's not kink-shaming at all. You are asking him to create something that does not interest him, maybe even appall him. He simply can't. This could be a total retirement, or retirement from certain genres and non of it would make him kink-shaming hypocrite. Though I think he has to answer to his patrons (patreon, steam, itch etc.) because they gave their money with an expectation, which he is not delivering. He may need to settle that. Btw, I don't buy it, you support the dev not the game thing. If someone is getting a support that because of their game and nobody supports a game to abandonment.
 
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Alfius

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And to be fair, I think almost any genre of AVN the majority end up abandoned...
Not to be a bore...

But over the last few pages I posted the actual Abandoned stats:

Across All games: 25% Abandoned
Across non-Japanese games: 35% abandoned
Across Incest games: 44% Abandoned

Just comparing abandoned vs completed ratio (Excluding Japanese games)
it's about 50:50

Just looking and the top 120 games in views and ratings it's about
10% abandoned.
 
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tmu500

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Not to be a bore...

But over the last few pages I posted the actual Abandoned stats:

Across All games: 25% Abandoned
Across non-Japanese games: 35% abandoned
Across Incest games: 44% Abandoned

Just comparing Incest vs completed ratio (Excluding Japanese games)
it's about 50:50

Just looking and the top 120 games in views and ratings it's about
10% abandoned.
It is much lower than I expected. It seems in the last two years a lot of good games got abandoned.
 

Zoro@stro

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All he had to do was make them "step" related. So his dad is his biological father but got with Charlotte later who already had Triss. It was the dev who decided to make them all bio related and do the whole Charlotte remembering the MC as a baby, before sucking his dick thing. I could have done without that personally. Make Triss his step-sister and Charlotte the neglected step-mom, simple.
Then someone comes along and makes an incest mod kkk, what would be the point of all this effort?
 

Zoro@stro

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Sad to see another one go, but this is what happens when you get burn out because you milked subscribers for years instead of finishing your project. No More Money? Soon no more patreons, I guess. Nobody likes being lied to.


I will offer some advice. Have a clear vision and a plan. That's the most important thing from the beginning. Just chasing trends without the passion ends up in an abandoned project. If you're gonna make an incest story and want to explore the taboo, don't make silly patches that only change names because you want to ride the patreon money. Make it the default, use substar or other platforms, interested people will flock in anyway. If you have burn out, pause for a while. Communicate early to your subs and tell the truth. Don't milk. You don't need 5 years to make a slow burn story if you focus on what's important and have a plan. Also please, fiction is not reality. You can be a perfectly functioning adult, but a depraved incest loving pervert in your room. It's all in your head, don't let that consume you.

I say all that in good faith as a fellow incest dev to anyone reading, to keep in mind if you ever wanna create something that is more than just a money printing machine.
Novice developers want to make a quick buck and think that adding generic incest is a sure profit kkk, I really enjoyed your analysis.
I love incest but I don't play just any game because it has this tag.
 
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