VN Ren'Py No More Money [v4.2.0 S4 Ep.2 GE] [RoyalCandy]

[fpsgamer]

What do we expect from his decision and families once they founded he create some nudity story game specially includes some incestuous??? I mean, it wasn't purely hobby. It's a job... They're prolly live and eat and grow their kids from this project money.... View attachment 4737379

Where do you people find this stuff

 

[Alfius]

This is kind of where the tipping point comes in I feel. Their hypothetical "No More Homework" idea will still result in the same answer, "my daddy makes porn" and it would still be hidden from the kids. The creator is trying to have their cake and eat it too, bailing on a project and not even concluding it just from a sudden obsessive hangup over the genre after four years just to do something only nominally different in the grand scheme of things.

There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. The right way, for example, could be to take the work that's been done so far, do some rewrites and maybe a couple months work of content to put together a conclusion of some kind, then move on to the new project. The wrong way is what we're seeing right now and it's likely not to earn much favor with their existing patrons.

Although I do not agree with the dev's thinking about dropping the game and I also don't know the dev on any level, I do not agree with you statement:
"The creator is trying to have their cake and eat it too"

• 847 paid members
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He is actually a wildly successful dev, that's been in the adult gaming development for a long time. (since 2018)
In that time, he already completed a very popular and successful game and by all accounts, this game was no slouch either.

In my assessment, he probably married a conservative (Christian) wife that probably does not support his choice of work. He himself probably also changed his priorities in his life and now values family values more than writing adult games.

IMO, he is simply not passionate about adult gaming in general anymore and especially the incest theme was kind of the cherry on top.
Adult development is a tough job and eats a lot of time. So, if you lose your passion, it's probably the right call.

He might still try a pure vanilla AVN with no taboos, but reading between the lines, he is not passionate about this line of work anymore and I doubt that he will manage to write another one.

 

[TonyMurray]

This is kind of where the tipping point comes in I feel. Their hypothetical "No More Homework" idea will still result in the same answer, "my daddy makes porn" and it would still be hidden from the kids. The creator is trying to have their cake and eat it too, bailing on a project and not even concluding it just from a sudden obsessive hangup over the genre after four years just to do something only nominally different in the grand scheme of things.

There's a right way and a wrong way to do things. The right way, for example, could be to take the work that's been done so far, do some rewrites and maybe a couple months work of content to put together a conclusion of some kind, then move on to the new project. The wrong way is what we're seeing right now and it's likely not to earn much favor with their existing patrons.

I get that, for sure. Porn is definitely becoming less taboo though, I think, whereas incest isn't. So I think there's still a fair difference there. If you are caught watching porn, it's a case of everyone knows that loads of people watch porn, and plenty are open about it, you're just supposed to pretend you don't do it. If it's incest porn though, social convention is for them to be disgusted at you for it (even if they're actually not disgusted), and to think you're a reprobate, etc. A lot of the time, it will automatically come with those questions or assumptions that some have already responded to in this thread - "you watch incest porn, so that must mean you want to fuck your mom/sister/kid," etc.

I read the dev's post as him coming to this decision after a long time of struggling with it (and IMO, that maybe shows in the drop in quality over the last update or two). It doesn't come across to me as a sudden decision to quit the game, or a sudden onset of guilt/shame over the theme (though I could absolutely see the wife not knowing and suddenly finding out being a cause, that's definitely a plausible theory).

Obviously, this doesn't make it right, or good. Given what he actually says in his post (and not what I or anyone else reads into it beyond the actual words), I would say dev is doing the right thing, but maybe just going about it in the wrong way. We'd all like to see the game finished, perhaps even if it is a quicker ending than we might have otherwise expected.

 

[Alfius]

Yet they're to be expected to pledge financial support for a different project entirely from the same person that abandoned a project without an urgent need to? If they decided to step away from AVNs that is one thing, bailing on a long project just to do a different AVN because the writer is suddenly hung up on a massive reach about the genre of the work that pays their bills is where the whole thing begins to tip into melodrama on the creator's part.

I don't know the dev, and I don't know the project that well, except seeing it popup on latest games every now and again, but anyone that pledge anything on Patreon and expecting anything concrete in return is a fool.

Patreon is a way to support an artist that you want to support. Period. If you want to delude yourself that it's anything else, that's on you. No matter what the dev promises, or your expectations.

At the end of the day, what you said in your post is 100%
"Patreon is voluntary, and patrons are not promised anything."

You as a Patreon is supporting an artist or project that you want to see or artist work on. You are not buying a product. You are not buying the developer's time. You are supporting a project that you want to see progression on or completion. But none of that is a given. It's not an advance, that the dev needs to fulfil. It's simply a way to support a dev.

In RC's defence. He has delivered a LOT of art over the last 8 years.
It's unfortunate that he changed his priorities in life, but that is what happens sometimes. It sucks, but it is reality. BTW he is not the first developer and will also not be the last, that changes his mind on AVNs.

 

[EKG]

Patreon is a way to support an artist that you want to support. Period. If you want to delude yourself that it's anything else, that's on you. No matter what the dev promises, or your expectations.

At the end of the day, what you said in your post is 100%
"Patreon is voluntary, and patrons are not promised anything."

This is the exact same kind of rhetoric that has been used for over a decade of numerous crowdfunding scams and other abandoned projects. The text of the websites like that is there for legal protection for creators when say, for example, a studio closes and thus is unable to fulfill the goals of the project so they won't be hit with a lawsuit. It's not there to be a free ticket for a creator to bail out and backstab the supporters with sudden moralizing melodrama.

 

[TonyMurray]

This is the exact same kind of rhetoric that has been used for over a decade of numerous crowdfunding scams and other abandoned projects. The text of the websites like that is there for legal protection for creators when say, for example, the studio closes and thus is unable to fulfill the goals of the project. It's not there to be a free ticket for a creator to bail out and backstab the supporters with sudden moralizing melodrama.

And your response is exactly the sort of rhetoric that has been used for years to argue against them.

People making the arguments you are making here are looking at the wrong thing. You're expecting a complete, finished product. Tell me where on the dev's Patreon it says that's what you will get. I haven't looked at it myself, but I'm pretty confident it won't say that. Each project (or creator) on Patreon is different in what it offers. For these games, Patrons are paying for various perks while the dev creates the game. Obviously all parties hope that the game will some day be completed, but that is not what the Patron is paying for.

Such legal protections as you talk about would be for a creator who does not fulfill the promised rewards. Here, that would mean the dev hasn't been delivering on his membership perks (early access to game updates, special renders, whatever those perks are) - it doesn't mean that there is protection against the dev failing to deliver a completed game (unless the Patreon perks specify that's what supporters will get, which would be a stupid move by a dev, for precisely this reason).

You're equating Patreon to something like Kickstarter, where people crowdfund for a single finished product - the creator gets the funds after a successful campaign and uses those funds to make and deliver the product. For Patreon, it's different. Creators are not crowdfunding a finished product, but the support for an ongoing project. Check out the dictionary definition of "patron" - there's a reason the platform is called Patreon, and supporters are called Patrons...

 

[fpsgamer]

I get that, for sure. Porn is definitely becoming less taboo though, I think, whereas incest isn't. So I think there's still a fair difference there. If you are caught watching porn, it's a case of everyone knows that loads of people watch porn, and plenty are open about it, you're just supposed to pretend you don't do it. If it's incest porn though, social convention is for them to be disgusted at you for it (even if they're actually not disgusted), and to think you're a reprobate, etc. A lot of the time, it will automatically come with those questions or assumptions that some have already responded to in this thread - "you watch incest porn, so that must mean you want to fuck your mom/sister/kid," etc.

I read the dev's post as him coming to this decision after a long time of struggling with it (and IMO, that maybe shows in the drop in quality over the last update or two). It doesn't come across to me as a sudden decision to quit the game, or a sudden onset of guilt/shame over the theme (though I could absolutely see the wife not knowing and suddenly finding out being a cause, that's definitely a plausible theory).

Obviously, this doesn't make it right, or good. Given what he actually says in his post (and not what I or anyone else reads into it beyond the actual words), I would say dev is doing the right thing, but maybe just going about it in the wrong way. We'd all like to see the game finished, perhaps even if it is a quicker ending than we might have otherwise expected.

Yeah, I don't think there is an easy, fast or liked by patrons/supporters solution for RC. The best way out of it is, one last update rushing to end the story. If taboo topics effect you that much, just don't give any R18 scenes just SFW scene.
Let NSFW scene be left to imagination. Or outsource nsfw to someone else. I don't know, he can figure out what he is comfortable with.
Take a month break to figure out if he even wants make AVNs.
Be clear with patrons of what he wants to do.
This isn't end of world tbh, he can still be successful AVN dev.

One thing is sure though if he is guilty/ashamed of his work for reasons like what my Family/friends will think, AVN is not the industry he should work in. There always will be someone judging him. Porn/adult work even if legal, consensual and in acceptable boundaries of society will be frowned upon.
He will either have to cover his nature of job or stop giving f*cks about what others think. If you ask me it has to be combination of both.
You can't tell the children about this kind of work(that's just bad parenting).
In this day and age you can't be bothered by societal rules, the same society that doesn't nothing about sites like only fans.
He was making good bread working as AVN dev, if he doesn't live in first world country then he is making a fortune.
He needs to think about it a lot.
Lot easier said than done.
Hope he figures it out.

 

[CheetoInChief]

Well, this is pretty disappointing. It was a pretty good game while it lasted. Oh well.

 

[Joshy92]

Would have at least liked him to say on steam it's abandoned, I had to find out from a pirate site

 

[Flertes]

Royal Candy. You owe us a finale!

 

[EKG]

And your response is exactly the sort of rhetoric that has been used for years to argue against them.

How is pointing out a historical pattern "rhetoric"? If you're gonna bail on a project, do it for the right reason. Once cannot sincerely use kids as the sole excuse when they follow up by immediately pitching another AVN.

It's overly hyperbolic dramatics. Either finish the work in some form or just retire from AVNs. This is the worst path.

 

[Lockyn87]

This was top 5 games 2024-2025. Shame it's ended. Story was good. Characters were so FN hot.

 

[TonyMurray]

How is pointing out a historical pattern "rhetoric"? If you're gonna bail on a project, do it for the right reason. Once cannot sincerely use kids as the sole excuse when they follow up by immediately pitching another AVN.

It's overly hyperbolic dramatics. Either finish the work in some form or just retire from AVNs. This is the worst path.

I was commenting on your points about crowdfunding, since that's the part of your post where you mentioned rhetoric yourself. It's just the same argument over and over, but that argument only works for people who don't fully understand what Patreon is. It's an argument based on what some people think they're getting, rather than what they are promised to get.

As to the rest of your post here, he absolutely can. Again, it's maybe not the right or best way to go about things, but he says he's not feeling right about working on a game with themes of incest, now he has kids of his own. He's not saying he has a problem with creating AVNs, only incest ones.

 

[I love milfys]

I just hope the dev doesn't have any crises of conscience in his next projects, I suggest he only develop children's games, peace of conscience comes first. As for this game, it's not the first and it won't be the last to be abandoned, patience.

 

[LSC82]

PS. As someone that have not played this game yet. Can you recommend that I play this game in the current state? Are there a million loose ends? (As a reference, BB is officially abandoned, but it actually stopped at a very satisfactory point)

Mixed bag to be sure, i think it's very entertaining up to where we stopped and there is sex with the main characters(right before where we are)... but most situations are still wide open.
Feels unresolved as far as i'm concerned.

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The rest of your post i throughly agree.

 

[JojodoLolo]

Needless to say that his family comes first, but after reading Dev's message again, what he and you guys expect makes no sense!

If he is so self conscious about what de does and is ashamed that his children will know, How can you expect another Porn game?
He was even thinking about SFW games, but who's gonna support that? If he's so ashamed of it why didn't he just delete it all and get rid of it? Well, I also wouldn't simply let all my patreons go

So, you're saying that consensual sex between two family members is the problem, but promote rape, violence, cheating, harem, drugs, gangbang, bdsm, maledom, or simply porn games... that's dad of the year right?


Some people say the game is fine without incest, only to claim that their favorite character is Triss... just think if it would be same thing without their relationship.

 

[fluxxd1]

Totally understandable from his point, however it would be neat if he allowed someone else to finish the game, perhaps with a short and brief instruction from him if possible, but probaly wont happen, sadly

 

[V&M]

Well, family comes first. I have a daughter and a 6-year-old granddaughter and I understand that very well.
As for the game, there has already been sex with almost all the girls, so we can be satisfied. There will be no ending, but that's okay.
Maybe the developer could make an extra scene with Denise (I think that's the aunt's name), so that the game could end without us having to go without a sex scene (penetration) with her.
Just as a farewell.

 

[Anteron]

Well, family comes first. I have a daughter and a 6-year-old granddaughter and I understand that very well.
As for the game, there has already been sex with almost all the girls, so we can be satisfied. There will be no ending, but that's okay.
Maybe the developer could make an extra scene with Denise (I think that's the aunt's name), so that the game could end without us having to go without a sex scene (penetration) with her.
Just as a farewell.

And to see Katrina get what she deserves (long prison sentence or death - along with her thugs.)

 

[GourmetChef]

Welp. Another one bites the dust I suppose.