VN Ren'Py No More Money [v4.2.0 S4 Ep.2 GE] [RoyalCandy]

[Justaphase]

So by the dev saying "What this game promotes" and the poll, the biggest issue is the incest element of this game?
First of all is anyone really playing these games and thinking "Well now I really want to go fuck my Mom and Sister." If you are then I suggest you go and seek help immediately.
I think that most us play these games as pure adult fiction, where noone is getting hurt or affected as they don't exist.

This dev who makes 5k per month on Patreon has well and truly done his part to damage all other developers of AVN's, as now even more people are going to be reluctant to support others.

 

[Alfius]

Last post from me on this topic.

A few thoughts.

Financials
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One poster posted about financials:
This clearly did not factor in his decision. He is making $4,799 per month. That is a hefty sum and about as good as you can make it with an AVN. He's been in the business for 7- 8 years, so clearly the financial aspect was irrelevant in his decision.

Incest
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Incest is probably the most popular AVN genre. There would be 0% chance that he changed the game, in a weird believe that a non-incest game would be more profitable

Refund supporters
============
I don't know what some people are smoking, but did he not deliver 4 years' worth of content? You want him to refund supporters for work that he actually delivered on? That's just bonkers. Contrary to popular believe, it actually cost money to develop an AVN like this. Hardware, Assets and time(labour) being the biggest component. Every Patreon knew what they signed up for. They signed up to Patreon to support the dev to develop and hopefully finish the game. They knew that there was always a risk that the project will not be finished or abandoned.

Keeping his Patreon alive
================
For whatever reason, he does not want to do incest anymore. But the reality is that he built a profitable business over the last 8 years of his life. Who in their right mind will just abandon it without thinking about possible alternatives? Only an idiot will not even think about it. That is clearly what he is busy doing. He is looking if there is a way to continue his business. It will probably not succeed IMO, since he will take a massive reputational hit, but you cannot fault the guy for looking at alternatives (Vanilla/Non-Adult VN)

Melodramatic Announcement
==================
Maybe. But how else should he have set it? You can complain all you want about the wording and his reasons etc. But at the end of the day, he played open cards with his Patreon and fans. He can not continue on this incest game, due to somewhat unknown personal reasons. But is not (yet) giving up on adult gaming altogether. People want communication and he is giving communication. Not the news we want, but at least he is giving us his reasons (even if you believe it is a BS reasons). Other developers just disappear.

Sorry Last Point on abandoned games:
=============================
There is a perception on F95 that most games gets abandoned. That is totally untrue.
Of all the games on F95
50% of games have been completed
25% of games are in progress
25% of games are abandoned
That means 75% of all games on here have been competed or are still in progress. Only 1/4 of the games are abandoned.

If you look at the top-rated game/ or most viewed popular games, the % of abandoned games are even lower.)

The idea that this game will give all developers a bad name is not correct. A majority of games does get completed (Between 50%-75%) Popular games that's been in development for a few years, very rarely gets abandoned.

 

[Justaphase]

Last post from me on this topic.

A few thoughts.

Financials
======
One poster posted about financials:
This clearly did not factor in his decision. He is making $4,799 per month. That is a hefty sum and about as good as you can make it with an AVN. He's been in the business for 7- 8 years, so clearly the financial aspect was irrelevant in his decision.

Incest
====
Incest is probably the most popular AVN genre. There would be 0% chance that he changed the game, in a weird believe that a non-incest game would be more profitable

Refund supporters
============
I don't know what some people are smoking, but did he not deliver 4 years' worth of content? You want him to refund supporters for work that he actually delivered on? That's just bonkers. Contrary to popular believe, it actually cost money to develop an AVN like this. Hardware, Assets and time(labour) being the biggest component. Every Patreon knew what they signed up for. They signed up to Patreon to support the dev to develop and hopefully finish the game. They knew that there was always a risk that the project will not be finished or abandoned.

Keeping his Patreon alive
================
For whatever reason, he does not want to do incest anymore. But the reality is that he built a profitable business over the last 8 years of his life. Who in their right mind will just abandon it without thinking about possible alternatives? Only an idiot will not even think about it. That is clearly what he is busy doing. He is looking if there is a way to continue his business. It will probably not succeed IMO, since he will take a massive reputational hit, but you cannot fault the guy for looking at alternatives (Vanilla/Non-Adult VN)

Melodramatic Announcement
==================
Maybe. But how else should he have set it? You can complain all you want about the wording and his reasons etc. But at the end of the day, he played open cards with his Patreon and fans. He can not continue on this incest game, due to somewhat unknown personal reasons. But is not (yet) giving up on adult gaming altogether. People want communication and he is giving communication. Not the news we want, but at least he is giving us his reasons (even if you believe it BS reasons). Other developers just disappear.

Sorry Last Point on abandoned games:
=============================
There is a perception on F95 that most games gets abandoned. That is totally untrue.
Of all the games on F95
50% of games have been completed
25% of games are in progress
25% of games are abandoned
That means 75% of all games on here have been competed or are still in progress. Only 1/4 of the games are abandoned.

If you look at the top-rated game/ or most viewed popular games, the % of abandoned games are even lower.)

The idea that this game will give all developers a bad name is not correct. A majority of games does get completed (Between 50%-75%) Popular games that's been in development for a few years, very rarely gets abandoned.

Why are you defending this developers decision to abandon his game? Is that what you want for the future of AVN's?
We may understand why he may want to for personal reasons, but that doesn't mean we have to like it or not vent our frustrations.

 

[Alfius]

Why are you defending this developers decision to abandon his game? Is that what you want for the future of AVN's?
We may understand why he may want to for personal reasons, but that doesn't mean we have to like it or not vent our frustrations.

Maybe I just want to be the counterpoint.

I'm also disappointed about the abandoned status. Every abandoned game is a tragedy for me. This one was abandoned before I even started it, so imagine my dilemma. (It's been on my "games to play" list for a loooong time. Sometimes I treat myself with game I know is going to be good, to start playing them when it is either complete or close to complete. Delayed gratification.)

Back to the point. I just felt that some replies are a bit over the top.

If venting makes people feel better, by all means vent. I'm not asking people to stop criticizing and not be angry. Do whatever you feel works for you. But I think it's good to always just get a bit of perspective on an issue.

This was one of the most clearcut explanations of abandonment. Maybe someone on his discord or Patreon can convince him to just tie everything up in a final release (That I think can be a great compromise?). Most developers just abandon their games with no explanation. So I'm at least thankful to the dev for giving his reasons.

 

[PedroDeLara]

Phase 2.!!!
Now we have in this discussion panel the "irrefutable data", the numbers and percentages to look at and evaluate the merit of the issue, and then we can say without a doubt, "against data, there are no arguments". So if there can be no arguments, what are they here about?
We also have the "narrative championship" and the one that can bring more followers in the "attention market".
It's like I said. The review ends up being better than the story itself. The game. This soap opera, alternating with comics and some frames of movement, when it is not possible to allow the user some alternative paths that lead to the same exit.
Don't underestimate the users. They know how to draw their own conclusions.

 

[Joshy92]

Wow wow wow!!... a lot of people are now only speculating and talking a whole lot of BS about the reason the dev quit.

I understand the disappointment, but seriously the dev is really playing open cards here. He decided to quit working on this game due to a change in his personal believes. I personally do not agree with his reason, but come on, you need to respect his decision.
Was he caught be his wife?
We don't know - Speculating
Did he become super religious?
We don't know - Speculating
Did he stop writing only due to incest?
That is what he say, but any more deductions is again just speculating.

The bottom line is we don't know the exact circumstances that lead to him quitting, accept that it's to do with his new family.
Even if you don't agree with the reason, he did the honourable thing and said up front exactly what's going on.

I don't know RC, but I have seen his work ethic in his games, and he worked his ass off until the very end. Having a family changes your priorities. Just spending more time with the family as apposed to the Dev work is already reason enough.
He gave his reason and that is that.

Of course he is not immediately abandoning his AVN business. It's a lot of money we are talking about. He is looking at salvaging it with ether a vanilla AVN and a non-adult game. I have my doubt he will stay developing in the long run. He seems to have lost his passion. For me I would say this is the end of RC's AVN career, unless he changes his position a few months down the line.

He didn't tell the people on steam he was quitting that kind of annoys me. I shouldn't have to come here or follow a guy on patreon to get game news.

 

[Drpolifemo]

It's a shame I'm left wanting to see anal with mom.

 

[carlo.ottari]

Or anal with Triss, for that matter - so sad

 

[GhostFaceGuy]

The vn was quite ordinary, models were very good. The plot is something above nothing, there were no tension either seduduction. The mom and auntie are both soulless chicks. Maybe I prefer another type of females, but I, personally, do not devide all amazing and compliments regarding no more money.

 

[Klepon]

We're so close to witness one of the best milf ending

 

[jeans0910]

This is the best mom in the incest game, I came three times

 

[Alfius]

Wow! this was ultra-short.
Not complaning... just saying.

So it basically just concluded the Police visit? Or did I miss something?

And yes, Cassie was awesome! Provoking the detective was ultra satisfying! lol

Ignore me. I'm an idiot Wrong thread!

 

[Deleted member 6503042]

Wow! this was ultra-short.
Not complaning... just saying.

So it basically just concluded the Police visit? Or did I miss something?

And yes, Cassie was awesome! Provoking the detective was ultra satisfying! lol

Who is Cassie? What police?

Was it not it ended when Denise gave a bj? I am confused.

 

[Alfius]

Who is Cassie? What police?

Was it not it ended when Denise gave a bj? I am confused.

ha ha ha Ignore me.... wrong thread

 

[EKG]

So I'm at least thankful to the dev for giving his reasons.

Abandoning a game is abandoning a game and, honestly, it's not a very good reason. It comes across as self-involved and sort of indirectly condescending to the people that have financially supported the very work he's now openly trashing.

 

[AgnorWolf]

Sorry Last Point on abandoned games:
=============================
There is a perception on F95 that most games gets abandoned. That is totally untrue.
Of all the games on F95
50% of games have been completed
25% of games are in progress
25% of games are abandoned
That means 75% of all games on here have been competed or are still in progress. Only 1/4 of the games are abandoned.

If you look at the top-rated game/ or most viewed popular games, the % of abandoned games are even lower.)

The idea that this game will give all developers a bad name is not correct. A majority of games does get completed (Between 50%-75%) Popular games that's been in development for a few years, very rarely gets abandoned.

This is pretty disingenuous and frankly not all that true. When people talk about abandoned games they are 99% of the time speaking of western games made with patreon and made slowly over many years. If you remove Japanese games which alone make up half the overall completed games on the site and prolly another 10-15% of games that are once offs made for steam or short games you will easily see that the amount of abandoned games outnumber completed games roughly 65 to 35. Anyone who's been around here long enough will know this to be true.

 

[Ranieboy]

Man that sucks that we'll never gonna get a conclusion for this series. At least we got an official reason why the dev didn't commit till the end.

Well for the discourse about the "reasons" I was gonna say we don't know the dev personally just have to respect his decision etc...

But if he continues still making nsfw game just without the taboo it's kinda contradictory imo. Well good luck to the dev and thank you for making this game. Hope you take care of yourself!

 

[micojive]

Last post from me on this topic.

Sorry Last Point on abandoned games:
=============================
There is a perception on F95 that most games gets abandoned. That is totally untrue.
Of all the games on F95
50% of games have been completed
25% of games are in progress
25% of games are abandoned
That means 75% of all games on here have been competed or are still in progress. Only 1/4 of the games are abandoned.

If you look at the top-rated game/ or most viewed popular games, the % of abandoned games are even lower.)

The idea that this game will give all developers a bad name is not correct. A majority of games does get completed (Between 50%-75%) Popular games that's been in development for a few years, very rarely gets abandoned.

The only thing I'll mention that I don't agree with is this.

I think a vast majority of games that start from scratch or at least an early build and end up completed is significantly less than games that start from scratch and end up finished.

F95 has a shit ton of "games" that just get put on here in a finished state that are skewing your numbers, and don't correctly convey what people actually mean by saying more games get abandoned.

Top rated games are mostly just ones that have been around for a long time as its just pure #'s gained. The weighted rating, while still favoring completed games has much more abandoned in the top.

 

[wolfpackjac3]

Incredibly unpopular opinion, but AI will finish this story with for me in about 5 years.

 

[LSC82]

Abandoning a game is abandoning a game and, honestly, it's not a very good reason. It comes across as self-involved and sort of indirectly condescending to the people that have financially supported the very work he's now openly trashing.

It's hard to put faith in him going forward, he showed an inability to separate personal life and his job and poor work ethic (not the worst, the ones that go radio silent and the ones that try to fool their patrons while into keep paying while doing nothing are worst, but still bad work ethic to leave things unfinished).
He's gonna try and restart his business going in a slightly different direction, but who knows when he's gonna have his next "come to Jesus" moment about the work he does?