VN Ren'Py Nocturnal Angels [v0.01b Hotfix] [NemesisGames]

[Beast Within]

And on B and the new character, when brows slope down like this .\ /. it contributes to a "resting bitch face" energy.

yes the brows shape that I just noticed play some part but from what I saw all three have almost the same shape. but looking at the brows I noticed something that I didnt neither time before. I think the reason people described B as "schizophrenic, is propably the eye size. unless its the camera angle, B seems to have smaller eyes when compared to the other two. A has larger eyes that give her that look you described and make her more "aproachable". the new one is right in the middle but her face is better in general. not as centered as B nor as "open" as A. I think large eyes is a technic or something used in cinema when they want to make the character appear more inocent or to paint them as the "good" one.


I know the pain of many version in characters. I always revisit them and always find myself "fixing" a little something here or there. I try to stop myself everysingle time. even today I changed a character's hair colors

btw, since you seem to be using muscle moprhs I could point you to a muslce bundle I believe is the best for genesis 8-8.1, I havent found an equaly good one for gen 9 yet.

 

[Black Orchid]

What would you consider the weirdest body proportions? Any feedback would be appreciated.

the head is the most contributing factor if you are strictly keen on maintaining his current body morph. i know that is most likely due to daz limitations but as i have previously said it makes him look very uncanny. aside from that the body morph itself looks very cartoonish and doesn't really "fit", think of it like this when you line up all the characters mc will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Sterkh90]

What would you consider the weirdest body proportions? Any feedback would be appreciated.

The user above literally described my thoughts

the head is the most contributing factor...

 

[JAYJAYHAY]

Why the Mc look like he take steroids for breakfast... he got the same head shape as Beetlejuice , still a great VN IMO

 

[Canto Forte]

To address the elephant in the room and the implications of it:

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[Sterkh90]

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I don't mind his hypertrophied muscles. What bothers me is the size of his head. Just a little bit of adjustment and it will be much better, I'm sure.

 

[NemesisGames]

The head-body ratio is being addressed. Just bear with me for a couple updates because I can't redo 500 renders all at once.

 

[Zirenaz]

My main problem with the size of MC is that appearantly he is just 1.9m tall (the drawing with his measurements), but stand more than a head taller than everyone else, implicating that none of the other are 1.6m, which doesn't make much sense.

And yes, head vs body is out of sync, and could do with some minor adjustments.

Story is interesting so will keep an eye on this, and hoping that dev finds time to do a bit of polish on the already created as there are some oversights (like the missing hand that have a nasty habit of reappearing or switching arm)

 

[Pirilampalharei]

The head-body ratio is being addressed. Just bear with me for a couple updates because I can't redo 500 renders all at once.

Right now I would settle with the overly stupid look of the MC with his perpetually open mouth, it's a wonder he doesn't have a trail of spit when he walks.

Also, I would also like to get to a point where the story starts to make sense. So far, it doesn't. Unless this is all for "Pretty girls and big dicks" with zero brains.

 

[NemesisGames]

Right now I would settle with the overly stupid look of the MC with his perpetually open mouth, it's a wonder he doesn't have a trail of spit when he walks.

Also, I would also like to get to a point where the story starts to make sense. So far, it doesn't. Unless this is all for "Pretty girls and big dicks" with zero brains.

Which part doesn't make sense? Could you point out a few examples? I'd appreciate it.

 

[Pirilampalharei]

We are launched into a story with no preambles. No indications. Sure, the MC is amnesic, but we aren't. The factions are too complex and hermetic. We are in the middle of a conflict with no explanation of why we are even there.

Then you throw girls upon girls at us, jealousies, past relationships, alignments, loyalties that come out of nowhere, rivalries that aren't even explained. All this with an overgrown primate with the brains of a toddler and the dick of a horse.

Then the many overgrown boobs and asses that pop-out of pants in the most trope like moments. The story has no bite, and when it attempts to, fails in the most stupid ways. Look at the "Music" interrogation... what the fuck is even happening there? Except for the comic relief of the idiot MC and the almost nudity of the girl on stage, there's nothing gained there.

Yes, I would settle for a simpler story instead of this "Blended" mess that was presented after cutting it into unrecognizable pieces.

The world building makes no sense. Such a society would never work. It is too volatile. The MC is too stupid looking with an extremely overgrown body that serves no purpose. His actions are completely idiotic because there's no reasoning or explanation for it.

I couldn't connect with such a MC. The girls look awesome in a overboobed, overassed way, even if it isn't my go to preferred look, I can enjoy it. But, the story? So far, there's nothing there that I enjoy.

I'm sorry I can't be all sunshine and rainbows about your obvious effort, I may even look cruel, but I assure you that I'm not. I can see that there's something there, but, I also see that you went about it in a rather disconnected way.

 

[NemesisGames]

We are launched into a story with no preambles. No indications. Sure, the MC is amnesic, but we aren't. The factions are too complex and hermetic. We are in the middle of a conflict with no explanation of why we are even there.

Ah, okay. Thanks for your response.

Then you throw girls upon girls at us, jealousies, past relationships, alignments, loyalties that come out of nowhere, rivalries that aren't even explained. All this with an overgrown primate with the brains of a toddler and the dick of a horse.

Do you remember a particular moment where you felt the most frustrated? If so, what was it? I understand your frustration is with the story, character, and execution in general, but by illustrating one situation it helps give me a better idea of what you mean.

Look at the "Music" interrogation... what the fuck is even happening there?

If you were forced to make a wild guess, what would you say happened there?

 

[Pirilampalharei]

Ah, okay. Thanks for your response.



Do you remember a particular moment where you felt the most frustrated? If so, what was it? I understand your frustration is with the story, character, and execution in general, but by illustrating one situation it helps give me a better idea of what you mean.



If you were forced to make a wild guess, what would you say happened there?

Nothing happened there. Nothing made any sense.

Oh I get that the "Music" induced some hallucinations, but, in terms of our advancement on the story, the MC involvement, that girl on stage? Nothing happened.

Look I'm not a newbie about hermetic story telling and delayed reveals and obscuring knowledge. I know what you are doing. I just think you overdid it. You cut the story into too small bits, it's just a paste, a blob with no form.

When I felt frustrated? 100% of the time. I felt led by the nose (read dick) from start to bottom. The unstructured narration and the obscured paths only made it more frustrating.

I'm sorry, but this didn't feel like a story. It felt more like a box of puzzle pieces, with about 95% of the puzzle missing and no guiding picture to assemble it. It felt jarring, disconnected and dissimulated.

 

[NemesisGames]

Nothing happened there. Nothing made any sense.

Oh I get that the "Music" induced some hallucinations, but, in terms of our advancement on the story, the MC involvement, that girl on stage? Nothing happened.

Look I'm not a newbie about hermetic story telling and delayed reveals and obscuring knowledge. I know what you are doing. I just think you overdid it. You cut the story into too small bits, it's just a paste, a blob with no form.

When I felt frustrated? 100% of the time. I felt led by the nose (read dick) from start to bottom. The unstructured narration and the obscured paths only made it more frustrating.

I'm sorry, but this didn't feel like a story. It felt more like a box of puzzle pieces, with about 95% of the puzzle missing and no guiding picture to assemble it. It felt jarring, disconnected and dissimulated.

Hmm, okay. Thank you for your reply.

 

[Beast Within]

for proportions, artis usually use the 8-head rule. you can definately find it online for reference but here is what I have.

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[CrisRody]

Why is version 0.01b 3.3 GB? How many hours of gameplay are in there?

On a personal note, is it just me, or MC looks gay af?

 

[Woodstock_1983]

I must say, this picture doesn't look right lol. It looks like a man with breasts lol.

 

[NemesisGames]

Don't freak out - this isn't sandbox. Hell, it's not even point-and-click. It's more of an over-glorified menu to see scenes with characters you've bonded with.

July 9 Development Log

The next update may take up to four or five weeks to come out. This is partially due to what I mentioned last month -- I'm suddenly forced to find a new place to live. A few days of delay is expected.

There will be some very light gameplay elements added. Even before the first release, I've been experimenting with how I want to introduce a bit of interaction to this visual novel. I've had some requirements for myself:

- So simple that even a dimwit won't find it difficult.
- The gameplay should be rewarding in and of itself - even if there is another reward for completion.
- No grinding - the gameplay shouldn't be an obstacle.
- Low maintenance - "set it and forget it" - in that inserting content is fast and easy for myself.

Finally, I'm converging an idea that will meet all of those criteria. But I'll wait until a later dev log to explain.

Also, MC's head-to-body ratio will also be modified, but don't expect to see every render changed instantly - it will take a few updates. Meanwhile, some UI elements will continue to be improved.

 

[JAYJAYHAY]

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Don't freak out - this isn't sandbox. Hell, it's not even point-and-click. It's more of an over-glorified menu to see scenes with characters you've bonded with.

July 9 Development Log

The next update may take up to four or five weeks to come out. This is partially due to what I mentioned last month -- I'm suddenly forced to find a new place to live. A few days of delay is expected.

There will be some very light gameplay elements added. Even before the first release, I've been experimenting with how I want to introduce a bit of interaction to this visual novel. I've had some requirements for myself:

- So simple that even a dimwit won't find it difficult.
- The gameplay should be rewarding in and of itself - even if there is another reward for completion.
- No grinding - the gameplay shouldn't be an obstacle.
- Low maintenance - "set it and forget it" - in that inserting content is fast and easy for myself.

Finally, I'm converging an idea that will meet all of those criteria. But I'll wait until a later dev log to explain.

Also, MC's head-to-body ratio will also be modified, but don't expect to see every render changed instantly - it will take a few updates. Meanwhile, some UI elements will continue to be improved.

Keep doing what you do best.. we got you on this one

 

[Porthas]

Thanks for your feedback, the concern regarding the UI will be addressed during my next development log.

As for the lore dump, was there a specific time or place where you felt confused or overwhelmed?

I think I agree pretty much Pirilampalharei

That, combined with the sheer effort to follow the text bouncing around all over the screen just added to the confusion and made me less interested in the lore dumps.

Looks like you've addressed the text boxes bouncing all over the place, so I'll give that a try here shortly.