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Bro, don't pay attention to the ratings, people get misunderstandings, the reason these three ratings are low is two misunderstandings.
1: They think that it is the same BBC that is superior to white people and humiliates everyone.
2: They think that Choices doesn't matter in the story, this is a mistake. This is the second update of this game (the second update was a rework). In the future, as written in the changelog, we will have at least 3 paths.
The keyword here is "future". The reviews are to let the people know what is in the game now and not might be added in the future. So there is no point in tagging the game with various tags which are not even ingame yet. People might use the sort funktion by tags to find games with multiple endings, find this game here and get disappointed cuz there are not a single ending yet.

ps.: Interracial is black people fucks a white people. Not when there is just a black people ingame who does nothing.
 

reidanota

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it's not what I prefer, but some of you have asked for it and I'm not against it, so yes, there will be an optional path for it.
Please, please, don't make the cheating (netorare) path a "punishment path" for being a wimp. The rarest gem is a game where cheating comes as a choice of the NPC, regardless of the player's actions building up to it. In a majority of games, NPCs are props without any depth to them, they merely react to the player's choices. Be nice to them and they love you, be nasty and they get back at you. NTR is the "reward" of the player picking options that only an asshole would, hurting their LI and making their relationship sour. Avoid it by being "manly" or caring towards the LI. It makes the player feel as if the whole story is hanging on strings they can pull at will.

A lot of players do enjoy ego-raising stories about alpha main characters that get to fuck every girl in the game. A lot of others enjoy playing from the perspective of a submissive pushover. I can see why authors create alternative paths that cater for both... What I almost never see is a game that walks the line between extremes. In most "NTR optional" games, the player gets some choice, and they're stuck with being either alpha or beta for the rest of the game. And cheating is, per usual, reserved for betas. But why?

For my part I'd like to see an NPC have their own agenda, regardless of player decisions. Your LI cheats on you, that doesn't make you a beta. Deal with it. "Be a man", scold your girl for being a cheat, make her cry and tear her hair in regret, put your rival in their place... Like, no. Vanilla players won't like it, NTR interested people won't either. As an alternative, the choice that leads to being cheated on could be somewhere else. Maybe you took a long walk through the park, your LI was alone at the time and had a chance meeting with some stranger that stirred their interest, even if things were good between you. You get an option: don't take a long walk that day, and you'll never see NTR in the game. Take the walk: you get cheated on, not because you did bad things that upset your lover, but because life is complex... Sometimes, sucks. But, then, you saw them, you have to act, no?

Here, again, a lot of games adhere to stereotypes. You hate it, but don't have the balls to do anything about it? You're done, you're on a hard NTR route, on your way to a bad ending and getting your LI stolen from you. Some people like this... Or you like it, you "discover yourself" in a previously unknown cuckold fetish, and you become a submissive cuck to your LI and their bull... Some people like this, too. But what about actually trying to fix things, like adults do? You hate it, you love your LI, you respect their individuality - they're not your puppet - and you're self-confident enough to not go about trying to "win them over", defeating your rival, whatever. You're smart and frank, you create the right mood to talk about it, tell them you hated seeing them with someone else, but ultimately they're grown ups, who own their choices and their actions. What options lie ahead? To open your relationship? To try swinging as a healing process, to perhaps dispel some taboo and defeat some demons?

Hundreds of possibilities, with the trick being to not adhere to stereotypes and try to pull some surprises from the characters, not from the player, "the puppet master"...

Thanks for your game, good luck with it!
 

reidanota

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More choices make self-inserting easier and deeper, and as a result, more fun
Having only one choice to enter the path of cheating and then having no choice and just being a spectator is not enjoyable at all
Exactly where I was getting at - trying to make it clearer:

1) my point with the "once choice moment" was that, even if such choice could be clearly marked as leading to NTR by a note to the player, essentially, the choice and its consequences were not of a "crime-punishment" nature. Like "cheat, the be cheated on". Or "neglect your LI, then be cheated on". That's pretty common in games, simplistic and lame. Sure, it also happens in real life, but not everything in relationships is a consequence of either party's actions. Each individual is a complex web of information interacting with its environment and can sometimes take action on impulse, defying their core values. We're "flawed" beings by nature. When NPCs merely respond to the player's actions, they're devoid of soul... That why I pulled the example of an "accident" like "player was busy somewhere, LI was alone and bumps into stranger, something stirs inside them, they hook up. It can lead to a great path that begins with pure and simple cheating...

2) ... but doesn't necessarily make you hate the LI. Hence my second point: how you and your LI deal with it. They can embrace the new course of action, become corrupt, forget about fidelity altogether... But is that really the most believable? Sometimes people fuck up, that doesn't mean they don't have core values. The LI could become conflicted, torn between lust and desire for adventure, and their still sincere love of the MC. They could try to hide the cheating out of fear of hurting them, promising to themselves to not let it happen again... Until they're tempted. It's nothing that doesn't happen every day, with millions of people... They could also be devious enough as to think that, while the other party doesn't know about it, no harm is done. Quite cynical, but that's how so many adults are. And it's not incompatible with still loving the MC... An NPC doesn't have to be all loveable. They can have qualities that make you dislike them a little, and others that make you like them.

3) And when the MC finds out, there's so much that can be done, with "just being a spectator" being one of the stereotypical paths - and I agree, don't find passive cuckolding paths enjoyable at all. Could still be an option, but there are other interesting outcomes possible, depending on how the author explores the characters' (PC and NPCs) personalities. As I said before, there are many ways of owning the situation, both for the LI and for the MC.

4) Stereotypes, simplification and cherry-picking choices as from a catalogue don't make a game interesting... This was all I wanted to point out. NTR doesn't have to fit the model of what most other games do. The post I replied to was itself a reply to "Will there be a path where the husband doesn't know she is cheating? I think her getting knocked up by another guy and the husband not knowing would be cool also. Looks good and should be popular with the NTR crowd". I personally don't like this, know these things are popular, but to limit NTR to this particular masochistic fetish is waste, imho. I'm sure the "NTR crowd" wouldn't be offended if, alongside their "dark path", other options could be explored, that didn't necessarily start as "soft NTR" from the get-go. A good bit of jealousy and internal conflict could resolve in a good, adult way, or in a bad way. Bet I'm not the only one that would enjoy the ride across taboo territory, but prefer that, in the end, it could (optionally) be resolved in a way that were satisfying for players who are not seeking unabated emotional torture :p
 
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reidanota

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For me, the following three conditions are enough to enjoy NTR

1: fmc should be a hard girl instead of a slut, the majority of players, including me, do not like sluts and easy girls, and NTR and NTS are enjoyable as long as we love fmc
2: fmc should not be the antagonist of the story, in the process of corruption, fmc always has sex with someone other than mc against her heart's desire, when approaching the end of corruption, the absence of this condition is not a problem, so NTR should use methods such as economic crisis, socially crisis, vital help to son or husband, blackmail, corruption, drug and other methods that are against the will of FMC, because I personally hate FMCs who betray very quickly without a Big Logical Reason
3: The logic of the game should be high, fmc should not sleep with other men for very childish reasons, mc should not cause ntr for stupid reasons, low logic in the game causes lack of empathy with the characters of that game

For me, the rest of the issues are not important if these three conditions exist
Agree on all counts except that "the rest of the issues are not important" - personally don't enjoy playing games where I don't empathise with the MC as well. Therefore, not a fan of the type of NTR designed to make the MC suffer final loss and humiliation, hence why I avoid playing NTR stories unless I know, beforehand, that there will be some off-ramp. As long as the off-ramp is there and the MC doesn't end up defeated, I can go with the entire genre, including willing LI. Probably not the typical player of the genre, but I don't enjoy feeling frustrated, angry or beaten at the end of the show, or at the turn of the last page of a book. With that said, also prefer a stronger ride than just swinging or open relationships, so my preference also goes for when the moment the story can turn in the MC's favour is near the end of the NTR path, rather than at some early branching that will make you skip most of the NTR content.
 
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Nexus game

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Thank you all for your feedback, I'll try to do my best, the next update will take longer to come and will have more content.
I'm sure I'll make mistakes again, so please keep the feedback coming to help me improve so I don't make the same mistakes again in my next game.
 

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the management of the different paths and choices is something I absolutely want to improve in my game, but unfortunately it's what's currently the most difficult and time-consuming for me to manage.
I really like the ideas proposed and I'll see if I can incorporate them.
I'll see what I can do to improve my paths without breaking the game.
 

russelld

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Please, please, don't make the cheating (netorare) path a "punishment path" for being a wimp. The rarest gem is a game where cheating comes as a choice of the NPC, regardless of the player's actions building up to it. In a majority of games, NPCs are props without any depth to them, they merely react to the player's choices. Be nice to them and they love you, be nasty and they get back at you. NTR is the "reward" of the player picking options that only an asshole would, hurting their LI and making their relationship sour. Avoid it by being "manly" or caring towards the LI. It makes the player feel as if the whole story is hanging on strings they can pull at will.

A lot of players do enjoy ego-raising stories about alpha main characters that get to fuck every girl in the game. A lot of others enjoy playing from the perspective of a submissive pushover. I can see why authors create alternative paths that cater for both... What I almost never see is a game that walks the line between extremes. In most "NTR optional" games, the player gets some choice, and they're stuck with being either alpha or beta for the rest of the game. And cheating is, per usual, reserved for betas. But why?

For my part I'd like to see an NPC have their own agenda, regardless of player decisions. Your LI cheats on you, that doesn't make you a beta. Deal with it. "Be a man", scold your girl for being a cheat, make her cry and tear her hair in regret, put your rival in their place... Like, no. Vanilla players won't like it, NTR interested people won't either. As an alternative, the choice that leads to being cheated on could be somewhere else. Maybe you took a long walk through the park, your LI was alone at the time and had a chance meeting with some stranger that stirred their interest, even if things were good between you. You get an option: don't take a long walk that day, and you'll never see NTR in the game. Take the walk: you get cheated on, not because you did bad things that upset your lover, but because life is complex... Sometimes, sucks. But, then, you saw them, you have to act, no?

Here, again, a lot of games adhere to stereotypes. You hate it, but don't have the balls to do anything about it? You're done, you're on a hard NTR route, on your way to a bad ending and getting your LI stolen from you. Some people like this... Or you like it, you "discover yourself" in a previously unknown cuckold fetish, and you become a submissive cuck to your LI and their bull... Some people like this, too. But what about actually trying to fix things, like adults do? You hate it, you love your LI, you respect their individuality - they're not your puppet - and you're self-confident enough to not go about trying to "win them over", defeating your rival, whatever. You're smart and frank, you create the right mood to talk about it, tell them you hated seeing them with someone else, but ultimately they're grown ups, who own their choices and their actions. What options lie ahead? To open your relationship? To try swinging as a healing process, to perhaps dispel some taboo and defeat some demons?

Hundreds of possibilities, with the trick being to not adhere to stereotypes and try to pull some surprises from the characters, not from the player, "the puppet master"...

Thanks for your game, good luck with it!
Well written, I agree 100%.
 

Vlbc

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hello everyone, a lot of things in my personal life have slowed down the release of the next update, I'm sorry, I'm not giving up on the game, I'll keep you informed as soon as the next update is almost complete.
Is there at least some action between the wife and other men?
 

russelld

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hello everyone, a lot of things in my personal life have slowed down the release of the next update, I'm sorry, I'm not giving up on the game, I'll keep you informed as soon as the next update is almost complete.
I would like to lend my financial support if it will help facilitate the completion of the update. Let me know.
 

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I would like to lend my financial support if it will help facilitate the completion of the update. Let me know.
that's very kind but it's not really a money issue, the only thing that could make the game go faster is writing help (since English is not my native language) or ren'py help (as I'm still learning and have no history with code)
 

russelld

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that's very kind but it's not really a money issue, the only thing that could make the game go faster is writing help (since English is not my native language) or ren'py help (as I'm still learning and have no history with code)
You did fine with the prologue. Take your time and I'm sure the update will be great as well.
 
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