If I'm not wrong, i think the update will be released around November 25th because, more or less, the first version of the game came out around that time last year.
Ok monkeyqueen, as others have already mentioned, the topic has become a bit tiresome, especially since it's straying from the game. So, I tried to explain it to you as best I could, and I hope that resolves the issue or your doubts
Why does NTR as a genre work?
We all have some forbidden fantasies, we've all, at some point, desired a teacher, a friend's mother, a friend's girlfriend, or someone we simply can't have, so that's why this genre works; it fulfills the fantasy of taking something that belongs to someone else.
Why do NTR games work?
Because it's easier, in games like “Being a Dik”, “A wife and a Mother” or “Lust epidemic”, the developer has to program the entire scenario and all the characters, while here, he simply asks an artificial intelligence for certain images (Nosy has an extra skill: he tries to make sure the images match the previous ones) and write certain texts. In other words, it's the easiest way to sell you sex with a little bit of backstory.
Why NTR instead of Netori?
Netori (where the protagonist is the one who has sex with some dude's girl) works in manga or hentai because their sole purpose is to make you feel identified and to sell you sex, but, as I said in my previous point, it would be more complicated to program all that.
because in games where they have tried to make them Netori it's simply unbelievable; you know the protagonist has had sex, but you only know it from the text and an additional image, Whereas in netorare games, there is this feeling of doubt, a certain sense of innocence on the part of the protagonist who gradually comes to the conclusion and you might even come to believe it more
Why NTRMobile works?
Like i said, NTR works because it fulfills a certain fantasy of the forbidden and because it's easier, but this particular game works because of the choices.
There are certain games like “Detroit become human” or “Until dawn” where you don't have much gameplay and there are game like “God of war” where you have a lot of gameplay, but, regardless of all the gameplay they have, the story will always be the same, and in the other games, despite the lack of gameplay, you can play it many times and always get a different ending. So, NTRMobile is that, in other NTR games you have the feeling of making decisions, but they lack impact, since NTR cannot be avoided.
Here there are at least 3 paths where the story can unfold, and, initially, those paths are respected by the developer
Plot holes
Indeed, there are some plot holes that affect the game, plot holes that I have complained about in this and other games, but all we can do is accept them and keep playing.
Even so, I feel that this is the game with the fewest plot holes, or they all have at least an explanation or try to have one. In other games, the protagonist is the stupidest person on earth, but in this game I don't think that's the case.
Additionally, the explanation of why there is blackmail or why there are nanobots, it's because it's the easiest way, because that way Liz falls into temptation more quickly, it would be too complicated and time-consuming to make a game and explain why Liz is being unfaithful because the other person treats her better or is more romantic or for any other reason. So,
with blackmail or nanobots, you explain in a simple and short way why the person is unfaithful. It is solely and exclusively for the benefit of the development of history
Why doesn't Liz go to human resources and report the blackmail?
Why doesn't Liz ask Sam and her boyfriend for help hiring someone to beat up Matt?
Why doesn't Liz record with a hidden camera when she's being blackmailed and raped by Matt, and then blackmail him to pay for her mother's medicine?
Well, because if Liz did that, there wouldn't be a game.
So, here's an explanation of what I think might be your questions, or why certain things work the way they do.
Why does NTR as a genre work?
We all have some forbidden fantasies, we've all, at some point, desired a teacher, a friend's mother, a friend's girlfriend, or someone we simply can't have, so that's why this genre works; it fulfills the fantasy of taking something that belongs to someone else.
Why do NTR games work?
Because it's easier, in games like “Being a Dik”, “A wife and a Mother” or “Lust epidemic”, the developer has to program the entire scenario and all the characters, while here, he simply asks an artificial intelligence for certain images (Nosy has an extra skill: he tries to make sure the images match the previous ones) and write certain texts. In other words, it's the easiest way to sell you sex with a little bit of backstory.
Why NTR instead of Netori?
Netori (where the protagonist is the one who has sex with some dude's girl) works in manga or hentai because their sole purpose is to make you feel identified and to sell you sex, but, as I said in my previous point, it would be more complicated to program all that.
because in games where they have tried to make them Netori it's simply unbelievable; you know the protagonist has had sex, but you only know it from the text and an additional image, Whereas in netorare games, there is this feeling of doubt, a certain sense of innocence on the part of the protagonist who gradually comes to the conclusion and you might even come to believe it more
Why NTRMobile works?
Like i said, NTR works because it fulfills a certain fantasy of the forbidden and because it's easier, but this particular game works because of the choices.
There are certain games like “Detroit become human” or “Until dawn” where you don't have much gameplay and there are game like “God of war” where you have a lot of gameplay, but, regardless of all the gameplay they have, the story will always be the same, and in the other games, despite the lack of gameplay, you can play it many times and always get a different ending. So, NTRMobile is that, in other NTR games you have the feeling of making decisions, but they lack impact, since NTR cannot be avoided.
Here there are at least 3 paths where the story can unfold, and, initially, those paths are respected by the developer
Plot holes
Indeed, there are some plot holes that affect the game, plot holes that I have complained about in this and other games, but all we can do is accept them and keep playing.
Even so, I feel that this is the game with the fewest plot holes, or they all have at least an explanation or try to have one. In other games, the protagonist is the stupidest person on earth, but in this game I don't think that's the case.
Additionally, the explanation of why there is blackmail or why there are nanobots, it's because it's the easiest way, because that way Liz falls into temptation more quickly, it would be too complicated and time-consuming to make a game and explain why Liz is being unfaithful because the other person treats her better or is more romantic or for any other reason. So,
with blackmail or nanobots, you explain in a simple and short way why the person is unfaithful. It is solely and exclusively for the benefit of the development of history
Why doesn't Liz go to human resources and report the blackmail?
Why doesn't Liz ask Sam and her boyfriend for help hiring someone to beat up Matt?
Why doesn't Liz record with a hidden camera when she's being blackmailed and raped by Matt, and then blackmail him to pay for her mother's medicine?
Well, because if Liz did that, there wouldn't be a game.
So, here's an explanation of what I think might be your questions, or why certain things work the way they do.
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Why not make a Netori game with the "all view" and then show angles of the one being cheating on as oblivous? It makes no sense to design an entire game around the MCs view, then add in the "all view" and then claim that it is really a "netori" focused game.
Seems like cuckold denial to me. /shrug
thank you No-Nonon and Fabitronix for the very insightful comments!
you are both right that the forbidden is an important part of the kink and i've revised the theory accordingly. also, as i said before, i am making an effort to focus on this game while trying to understand the fetish
the revised theory is now
my guess is that richard is going to try to chadify himself to get his redheaded girlfriend back and that this will open a chad path for the mc. mc loses liz to matt , mc becomes a chad, richard gets matt's encryption key and resets him to factory settings, mc gets liz back. this is why the choice about helping richard is marked as a major choice. help him get his girl back, he helps mc get his girl back.
so you are right that the science-magic of nanobots makes an unbelievable story even more believable. you are also right that the pics are high quality ai. dev has talent. i'll add that he also knows how to write chat conversations that sound like real chats and he has a sense of humor. he also has flaws
here's how nanobots could improve the story for people who aren't into brain dead obliviousness. quotes becasue length.
you are both right that the forbidden is an important part of the kink and i've revised the theory accordingly. also, as i said before, i am making an effort to focus on this game while trying to understand the fetish
the revised theory is now
but, so far, i still think that the other two elements need to be in place for it to fit this kink. romeo and juliet is a forbidden love story that has many of the elements of an 'ntr' story. forbidden lovers, secret meetings, tragic outcome, ambivalent feelings . . . but not denial. forbidden is first on the list but i think you also need denial for it be ntr (unless someone can mention a game without denial and then i will revise the theory again)
i think that's partially right. i also speculate that nosy has a bimbofication / chadification story in mind. here's why. the witch tells matt that she can just make another big dick hunk of meat. she also mentions that he was a nice guy once upon a time. someone on forums wonders if the nanomachines can make people taller. conclusion: matt is a monster made by the witch.
my guess is that richard is going to try to chadify himself to get his redheaded girlfriend back and that this will open a chad path for the mc. mc loses liz to matt , mc becomes a chad, richard gets matt's encryption key and resets him to factory settings, mc gets liz back. this is why the choice about helping richard is marked as a major choice. help him get his girl back, he helps mc get his girl back.
so you are right that the science-magic of nanobots makes an unbelievable story even more believable. you are also right that the pics are high quality ai. dev has talent. i'll add that he also knows how to write chat conversations that sound like real chats and he has a sense of humor. he also has flaws
here's how nanobots could improve the story for people who aren't into brain dead obliviousness. quotes becasue length.
richard packer: dude don't be mad
mc: about what?
rp: just promise not to be mad
mc: how can i make a promise without knowing what you are going to say?
rp: okay fine, i hacked your nanobots last night
mc: what! wtf!
wait, i don't have nanobots?
rp: trust me you do - someone must have dosed you
mc: who would secretly dose me with a nanobot pill? that's terrible thing to do to a person
rp: i know! unbelievable, isn't it!
trust me, they are there
i found them while running a scan
i also wrote an app to interpret what the nanobot ai is doing to you
mc: doing to me?
rp: yeah, apparently you like sandwiches more than most people
mc: yeah and liz likes yogurt more than most so what
rp: ummm
that's not all
someone is deliberately increasing a stat the ai is calling 'oblivousness'
mc: that doesn't seem likely
rp: think about what you just said
mc: . . .
rp: that's not all
mc: out with it
rp: someone is also reducing the size your pp
mc: my what?!
rp: your johnson, your willy, your one eyed wonder worm, the barfing bald man, your wife's best friend
mc: i know what a pp is, i mean how is that possible?
rp: nanomachines son, they respond to life's traumas
mc: fuck!
i just took a look and i think you might be right
rp: but this is good news
i can just reverse the process if you allow me to push an update to you
<choice>
mc: okay now what
rp: i need you start paying attention to stuff you normally ignore
ask questions you would normally avoid
try to interpret the stuff you read
stop being so polite
mc: anything else?
rp: have sex, lots and lots of sex
your johnson should grow a little each time
mc: that doesn't sound bad
rp: but tell me when it gets back to normal!
if we don't reverse the code in time you could become a big dicked chad who only thinks about sex
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you know you say that the MC is brain dead but, i will take un movie as exemple : armageddon with bruce willis, the entire movie have as premicise that it is easier to teach oil driller to be astronaut that it is to astronaut to drill a hole! and everybody me included love this movie. So you know who care. we love, you don't. nobody force you to play or tell us that the game we like is "bad" you don't have to like it. unless you paid... but if you paid for a game you don't like... let's just say that the mc is not the only one brain dead lol
loli actually said a lot nice things about the game as well. i actually liked it and found the brain dead moments kinda funny.
and yeah some people don't mind movies were one person falls out plane, second buy falls a minute later but then the second guy catches up. some people say ' that's not how physics works ' others say ' so what '
i'm somewhere in the middle. i suspend disbelief but i have a limit.
and yeah some people don't mind movies were one person falls out plane, second buy falls a minute later but then the second guy catches up. some people say ' that's not how physics works ' others say ' so what '
i'm somewhere in the middle. i suspend disbelief but i have a limit.
All I know is that I'm not super-far into the game, and all indications are that the MC could be a perfectly likeable, nice guy. And so could FC. And then there are moments where he's like, "Fuck it, throw them experimental robots into my girlfriend!" Really a bummer. :/ Regardless of what his motivation is, there should really be an option for, "Actually, I'd rather not nonconsensually dick with my GF's psyche."
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Happy to discuss, and curious about your dedication to this topic. But I still think you're confused with all the classifications. What I said was that all cases of NTR necessarily rely upon the forbidden fruit effect, but not all the forbidden fruit effect consists of NTR. The forbidden fruit effect is a much broader phenomenon. Then, there's the matter of why NTR exists as a kink (why it works) VS what makes a story be/have NTR.
The first thing is why NTR works psychologically, which is due to the forbidden fruit effect. In other words, there's NO CASE in which someone is turned-on by NTR without that effect being active in their brains, be it for games, videos, manga or real life. Many other specific kinks may or may not trigger alongside it, depending on the person.
The second thing is what constitutes NTR, or what the bare minimum is for something to be considered NTR. This is already well-established as simply being the act or possibility of a love interest being taken by someone else. No further requirements necessary. The word is self-explanatory in Japanese.
There I've reduced the NTR to its most basic form. Anything else will be cases of different portrayals of it, or added elements. Both ambivalent experiences and obliviousness are very common occurrences and are usually very compatible with NTR, but are not requirements.
Quick examples:
- You could have a Netorare story of A being taken from B in which A loves every second of it (slut character), but B doesn't know anything (obliviousness, but no ambivalence). For the sake of the argument, let's say B would break up with A if they ever found out.
- You could have a Netorare story of A being taken from B—due to blackmail, for example—in which A, B or both have conflicting feelings about the secondary relationship, but both know about it from the start (ambivalence, but no obliviousness).
- You could have a Netorare story of A being taken from B by force or blackmailing, with B knowing about it right away and neither of them liking it at all (that's r*pe with no ambivalence and no obliviousness, but a love interest is still being taken, therefore it's still NTR).
Ok, how about being denied? I'd argue it's not relevant. We need to be careful not to use this word so comprehensively, as it could become tautological in ANY kind of conflict. In other words, one could argue that any type of conflict happens when someone is being or will be denied something, so it's meaningless to mention it specifically for NTR.
I'm not trying to discourage your pursuit, but what you're delving into with your theory is bigger than just discovering the basis for the kink of NTR, which I've already laid out. You could instead focus on finding the elements that make NTR the most effective (then you could make a case for your theory), or the other kinks that are most likely to accompany NTR.
I agree with your predictions for the future. Unless the author gets one of those sadistic vibes of keeping the story gloomy on every route, it seems like that's where it's going.
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