That is simply not true. I am self-employed, and when I work on a long project, I invoice regularly (and the companies that employ me as a freelancer also invoice the client when the project lasts for several months or several years). This is just how it goes, you can't hope that people will go without getting paid (or eating) for months on end just because they are self-employed/run a small company. If all payments were done after the work has been delivered, tons of big projects would never get done.
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You get invoiced? By whom?
I assume there is a contract involved where conditions are agreed upon. No such contract exists when you are a freelance worker in other areas. And game developers on patreon and mainly following their own schedules and completing their own works. They are not working on a set project, with set conditions, with set deadlines. They tell you "this is the demo, if you like to support me do it, next update is ready roughly every X weeks / months / etc", with no form of higher instance or accountability. If you get regularly paid or invoiced as a freelancer there sure as hell is a contract with penalties for violation of contract or unreasonable delays.
Again, Im not even arguing in defense of people demanding certain things from Patreon devs. I really like Patreon and similar systems and what they have to offer for people wanting to do creative projects. Im just saying I understand some of their frustrations at times.
And tons of big projects have large sponsors / big companies contracting them. You cant compare that to freelance work that you then sell to a customer base.
Nope, I invoice the client.
No. This is something that is agreed upon with the client, but not put in a contract. It could be in writing, ofc, but there's no need--when a client needs to call upon freelancers for a three-to-six month job (or sometimes more), paying them regularly just stands to reason (either after partial deliveries or monthly, depending on the client--partial deliveries in the preferred choice in my line of work, as it's easier to track how much is owed, but it's not always possible when there are no partial deliveries for months on end).
Anyway, that's not important, but yes, freelancers do get paid before the final product is out and has been sold to customers, depending on their job.
since when i demand the dev to modify his work? saying the dev need to communicate better to their patron is demanding now huh? no wonder a lot of scam is happening in patron
this whole debate steam from someone who cant accept the dev being critized for starting to show bad communication that they didnt display before (radio silent in patreon for almost a month).
this is the first time this happen (patron being ghosted for almost a month and no official info/status from nosy) and i think it is extremely reasonable to ask them to communicate like how they usually do. but oh boy, asking the dev communicate better and not ghosting the patron is called ragebaiter and entitled now
i defend the dev before when it is reasonable but i will critic them when they clearly starting to make "mistake".
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look, defending your favorite dev is okay and normal
but you just straight up putting word in others mouth and lied just to defend the dev are malicious.
on top of that, you lied just to deflect a reasonable critics and demand (asking them to communicate like how they usually do and not ghosting their patron).
There's been plenty of communication in the discord about what's going on he had an issue with unity caused by a PC crash and according to the mods of the discord except something by the 4th of December. Originally they were expecting the update this weekend.
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I wasn't clear before so I understand your reaction : I never said those were your words, I just responded to your comment in particular because you were the last to talk about this subject when I wrote this so no need to call me a liar. I agree with the majority of what you said and my comment was not directed about your point of view.
I think some people are too demanding even with news but I also completely agree that having to search between multiple platforms for news (Patreon, Discord...) is not a good sign for a project. If the dev is working alone on this, I understand not always having the time to assure communication is perfect but that leads to discussions like this one where we don't know what's going on and speculating where maybe the dev thought he was clear about the situation
thank you! I've got confused when I stumbled upon some images that were just gifts through codes! I hope the v0.22 will have more content of that kind.
Just one question if I may - what happens if you make a lover path and protect her from Matt but suggest her to be slutty with other men (university, Sam events, beach event, etc.)? I just can't force myself to restart the game another time
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Honestly i haven't tried it but probably it will change from lovers to ntrs or happy or some other bullshitthank you! I've got confused when I stumbled upon some images that were just gifts through codes! I hope the v0.22 will have more content of that kind.
Just one question if I may - what happens if you make a lover path and protect her from Matt but suggest her to be slutty with other men (university, Sam events, beach event, etc.)? I just can't force myself to restart the game another time
You are kicked out from Lovers to Happy path immediately.Just one question if I may - what happens if you make a lover path and protect her from Matt but suggest her to be slutty with other men (university, Sam events, beach event, etc.)? I just can't force myself to restart the game another time
You can ask her to be lewd at the beginning of the game but every other choice than this one. Is an immediate expulsion from Lovers.
Thank you for your answers! At this point, I feel like Lovers path is just a nuisance in a game of this sort lol
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Then you are doing this because you are an upstanding person with a sense of responsibility. That is not always the case and not having a contract means there is plenty of clients who can just not pay and waste the contractors time or have a lot of pressure on the freelancer to deliver work without paying them. Not that that would be ok, but without a contract its bound to happen. Same goes for the reverse case. Freelancers not delivering on promises and deadlines.
Depending on their job. Yea. Exactly.
I was just making an argument that depending on their job they also don't.
I think Pareon and similar systems differ from what you would usually expect in industry freelance work.
The argument was mainly based on these prior comments.
Again, I like Patreon and I think its good to have platforms where people can freely choose to pay money to someone they think is doing good work so that person can keep supporting themselves so they can spend their time on developing the game.
I think the people arguing here have just said that the idea that a developer would be entitled to expect and demand continuous payment from a customer-base that is based on good-will while not delivering on promises is wrong, which is where I agree (that being said I do not see that problem with Nosy right now, its the first time communication has been slow on Patreon). I understand the skepticism tho, h-game developers have been on ci-en, Patreon and similar sites for decades now and there are a good part of them that take really long with development or never deliver on it, making it seem like more of a hobby despite being payed about as much as a full-time or part-time job by their patrons.
Again - Nosy is not one of them so far.
Just to mention, some of the pictures of the game are only on the Lovers path.
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based on the discord mod that relay the situation to patreon chat, best just assume that it will (hopefully) come out this sunday rather than being impatient about it everyday.
tbf, i didnt said nosy is that kind of dev (at least yet as far as i can see, hopefully never). my argument about "dev being demanding of payment" is mainly against that person above that keep saying everything is paid upfront or at least they implied that in the comment and etc.
i did critized nosy about how they suddenly ghosted the patron for the very first time for almost a month now, unlike before where nosy was open about the situation of the development, both the good news and the bad news (mainly delays and encountering game breaking bug, etc).
i just hope it wont be a new trend of him to ghosted their patron regardless the situation. almost all of the patron are pretty much chill and understanding when we were informed of delays since like the beginning. so, i dont know why nosy suddenly ghosted the patron this time around. again, ijust hope this kind of thing wont be a new trend.
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