Unity NTR Mobile [v0.22.1] [NosyFellow]

[funnythings3785]

Someone said it before me but Nosy said explicity, many times, that this would happen in every path of the game.

That the FMC would accept cheating as if she agrees with it? I mean, that is fine... but that as I said, conflicts with the concept of "love" for the MC. It is obviously their prerogative to see it as they will, but as I said, it conflicts with the concept of saying she "loves" him, because that isn't how someone who "loves" someone would act.

It is one thing to be aroused, another to go along because of some form of blackmail or the like, but to accept "willingly", that is another story and unless the nanobots specifically effect cognitive reasoning, it doesn't make sense.

 

[kingwer]

Can anyone give a quick rundown on what's the difference on the three different route?

 

[Raferu]

Can anyone give a quick rundown on what's the difference on the three different route?

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[Raferu]

But i've marked it down as porn game logic for now.

That's exactly what's going on. So many come here, complaining about the plot not being realistic, and forget that they're playing a porn game, and an NTR one on top of that. Some creative liberties must be taken to keep the game interesting and the plot moving forward. Keep in mind that, apart from having the nanobots, a lot of time has passed since the start of the game. Liz starting to have doubts about her feelings after weeks of dealing with Matt's abuse and the bots' corrupting influence sounds believable enough for a porn game.

 

[dnylive]

Liz starting to have doubts about her feelings after weeks of dealing with Matt's abuse and the bots' corrupting influence sounds believable enough for a porn game.

I'd agree with you but the stats in the game don't reflect that with 100% affection and high willpower.
That's why i'm interested in how Nosy is gonna explain this sudden change as she basically goes from "hates Matt" to "masturbates to him" after just one kiss from him.
Also the corruption isn't that far in the lovers route, i'd guess because no sex happened yet (pretty sure it will at some point).
On the other paths her behaviour is absolutely understandable since she's addicted to his dick and the nanos amplify this.
But on lovers, that is a plot hole as it is now.

I agree with your other points tho.

 

[Lashrack]

I understand, my issue is more with the concept of claiming she "loves" the MC when she accepts such behavior.

The nanobots I guess is a "fantasy" way to excuse it, but do they specifically allow cognitive influence or are they merely emotional influencers? My issue isn't with "physical and emotional" reaction, it is the cognitive reasoning side and how she can logically justify her "love" when she sees herself being "accepting" in those behaviors. At the end of the day, she still has to reflect on what she has done and this would tear apart someone who proclaims to love another.

When someone cheats, it is a sign they no longer (or at the apex of falling out of) "love" the person and that recognition should be a struggle point for the FMC in this situation because of the nanobot influence, that she is torn with the fact that she is acting/reacting outside of her own will. This should be an issue, but is it? I haven't played in a while because the game was turning into a cuck simulator and so I lost interest. Is there this level of reflection or is it just a simple excuse to justify her cheating behaviors?

yeah...100% love and like when your blackmailer do nasty things with you...100% love and prefers to masturbate to a kiss of your blackmailer than to have sex with your love

 

[whitewolf1990]

I'd agree with you but the stats in the game don't reflect that with 100% affection and high willpower.
That's why i'm interested in how Nosy is gonna explain this sudden change as she basically goes from "hates Matt" to "masturbates to him" after just one kiss from him.
Also the corruption isn't that far in the lovers route, i'd guess because no sex happened yet (pretty sure it will at some point).
On the other paths her behaviour is absolutely understandable since she's addicted to his dick and the nanos amplify this.
But on lovers, that is a plot hole as it is now.

I agree with your other points tho.

I think this is the main issue so far with the pacing of the game overall, at least on the lovers side. There was systems put in place early on that are clashing with the story and the direction that it is going. Until more information and clarity is provided on how exactly the nanos affect Liz, how bad they can affect her and the readings we get (still inaccurate as of the latest update as Richard hasn't fixed them yet) its a huge plot hole on the lovers path. Also, it doesn't make much sense story wise how after all the abuse and the secret chats clearly showing that she does not like Matt or enjoy what he is doing, all of a sudden she is getting off to a kiss and him giving her oral. It would make more sense if there was low affect at work during the lovers path and that scene then triggers the player into the happy or even NTR route, but as it stands it just doesn't make sense save for porn logic.

And porn logic doesn't get to excuse plot holes or things that just don't make sense. There is suspension of disbelief and then there is stuff that just doesn't make sense and throws the player out of the experience at how jarring and out of place it is.

 

[Abcsex69]

Sure...

NTR normal lewd:
Trigger NTR by declining to hangout with her new lingerie. Choose Lewd. Select all choices to spend time and be with Liz. In the club, you can either check her in the bathroom or just wait for her but DO NOT BE UPSET.

NTR normal conservative:
Same as above but choose Conservative instead.

NTR High Will:
Choose Conservative. At the club, search for Liz and GET ANGRY/UPSET. Spend time with Liz but do not have sex as long as you can decline.

NTR low affection:
Accept invite to hangout with Liz new lingerie, but change your mind the next day. Decline all invites as much as you can. At the club, do not check her and just LEAVE THE CLUB. Refuse to visit Liz's Mom. If you join her in the club again, do not check her in the bathroom. (You can also forget her birthday and not give her a ring in the beginning, it will lower affection but will make you blind in anything happening to her except in the Matt's ShareSpace)

NTR NTS:
Choose Lewd. On the shopping dialogue where Liz ask if shopping with Sam or shopping with MC, ask her to shop with Sam instead. When you reach the dialogue about guys ogling Sam and Liz, select "That is kinda hot!". This is the NTS path. Make sure to select NTS choices (ask to wear revealing outfit, showoff and flirt other guys, post lewd pics, etc).

Happy normal lewd:
Trigger Happy by forcing Liz to go to work. Choose Lewd. Just select choices to be with Liz. In the clubbing with Sam, if you decide not to join them, ask Sam to take Liz home.

Happy normal conservative:
Same as above but choose Conservative.

Happy lazy BF:
Choose conservative. Decline all possible invites. Make her go with Sam instead. Do not ask Sam to take Liz home. (make sure they are safe to decline or you will drop to NTR route).

Happy NTS happysam:
Choose Lewd. Trigger NTS same as NTR NTS above. When Sam questions you about Liz doing lewd stuff, ask Liz to convince Sam.

Happy NTS angrysam:
Same as above but DO NOT ask Liz to convince Sam.

Lover normal lewd:
Trigger Lover by agreeing to Liz not to go to work. Choose Lewd. Buy condoms. Always spend time, visit lunch, and have sex with Liz.

Lover normal conservative:
Choose conservative. Do not buy condoms. Spend time with Liz but try to avoid sex as much as you can.

Lover lazy BF:
Decline invites as long as they don't kick you down to Happy. Make Liz go with Sam instead but make sure to still protect her buy communicating with Sam and Richard.

Kinda long but hoping this will clear some dusts lol.

Thanks mate you a legend

 

[ble11123]

Noob question, but on what path we can get most F/F action with Sam and Liz?

 

[Jiroah]

Noob question, but on what path we can get most F/F action with Sam and Liz?

Right now i would say Happy NTS with Sam happy with the NTS, but there is not much F/F action except groping in this update.

 

[funnythings3785]

I think this is the main issue so far with the pacing of the game overall, at least on the lovers side. There was systems put in place early on that are clashing with the story and the direction that it is going. Until more information and clarity is provided on how exactly the nanos affect Liz, how bad they can affect her and the readings we get (still inaccurate as of the latest update as Richard hasn't fixed them yet) its a huge plot hole on the lovers path. Also, it doesn't make much sense story wise how after all the abuse and the secret chats clearly showing that she does not like Matt or enjoy what he is doing, all of a sudden she is getting off to a kiss and him giving her oral. It would make more sense if there was low affect at work during the lovers path and that scene then triggers the player into the happy or even NTR route, but as it stands it just doesn't make sense save for porn logic.

And porn logic doesn't get to excuse plot holes or things that just don't make sense. There is suspension of disbelief and then there is stuff that just doesn't make sense and throws the player out of the experience at how jarring and out of place it is.

The FMC eventually becoming corrupted and falling out of love with the MC is a traditional Netorare loss path, not a lovers one. So I agree, in order for it to be a lovers path, she has to not like the advances. She can be reasoned to allow it due to blackmail or the like, and she can even when pushed be forced to have a positive physical reaction, but her intellectual reasoning and reaction has to be disgust, anger, resentment, or even depression and hopelessness. The moment she starts liking it, accepting it in such mindset, she isn't in love, she is corrupted and fallen, so not love.

 

[ryg88]

In addition, maybe on the lovers path, her mind can still be against the stuff while at the same time acknowledge that her body is starting to feel good from it. (remember that on the lovers path, matt still pressures her to give a bj under the table, all the while she is still uncomfortable with it, as the mattinator pictures show.)

 

[dnylive]

In addition, maybe on the lovers path, her mind can still be against the stuff while at the same time acknowledge that her body is starting to feel good from it.

That would be fine in the heat of the moment but in the scene we're discussing right now, she explicitly mentions the kiss from Matt and that he wasn't the usual asshole.
So her mind is affected.
This whole discussion could have been avoided with a small drop of affection (like 2 or 3 percent during the scene) imo, would also be in line with "NTR in some form happens on every path" (as it should be btw. it's called NTR Mobile for a reason).

But yeah, we have to wait what Nosy has in mind regarding this abrupt change (Probably nanobots shenanigans).

 

[whitewolf1990]

The FMC eventually becoming corrupted and falling out of love with the MC is a traditional Netorare loss path, not a lovers one. So I agree, in order for it to be a lovers path, she has to not like the advances. She can be reasoned to allow it due to blackmail or the like, and she can even when pushed be forced to have a positive physical reaction, but her intellectual reasoning and reaction has to be disgust, anger, resentment, or even depression and hopelessness. The moment she starts liking it, accepting it in such mindset, she isn't in love, she is corrupted and fallen, so not love.

I agree regarding the NTR/NTS path, scenes like her enjoying the kiss and her masturbating to it later that day are perfect to show the actual corruption of her mind with the nanos (if they do affect her mind or just heighten her physical pleasure). I think a solution would just be to remove that particular scene from the lovers path or finally address the multiple issues with the nanobots and fix them.

 

[2024wildboyz]

Tss.... Women

Even in games they are too complicated lol

 

[Raferu]

The FMC eventually becoming corrupted and falling out of love with the MC is a traditional Netorare loss path, not a lovers one. So I agree, in order for it to be a lovers path, she has to not like the advances. She can be reasoned to allow it due to blackmail or the like, and she can even when pushed be forced to have a positive physical reaction, but her intellectual reasoning and reaction has to be disgust, anger, resentment, or even depression and hopelessness. The moment she starts liking it, accepting it in such mindset, she isn't in love, she is corrupted and fallen, so not love.

Come on, how can some of you still be missing the fact that the Lovers path is still NTR? This whole game is NTR! That's the point. The difference is that on Lovers path she's confused about the whole situation, feeling love for her boyfriend while at the same time starting to fall for Matt in some way. Something like cognitive dissonance, where her actions don't match her beliefs, and it happens a lot in real life. Don't think humans are logical creatures all the time. People tend to make decisions based on emotions, and yes, even intellectual people do. Especially when stuck in situations where there's nothing to do but endure, like Liz.

 

[funnythings3785]

Come on, how can some of you still be missing the fact that the Lovers path is still NTR? This whole game is NTR! That's the point. The difference is that on Lovers path she's confused about the whole situation, feeling love for her boyfriend while at the same time starting to fall for Matt in some way. Something like cognitive dissonance, where her actions don't match her beliefs, and it happens a lot in real life. Don't think humans are logical creatures all the time. People tend to make decisions based on emotions, and yes, even intellectual people do. Especially when stuck in situations where there's nothing to do but endure, like Liz.

Love doesn't exist without respect for that person. You don't willingly cheat on someone you respect. It is like beating your wife, but claiming you love them. That isn't love.

It is that old cheap line when the wife walks in on the husband banging someone and he says "Wait... baby, it isn't what you think, this doesn't mean anything... I love you!" LOL umm... nope, they are just hollow words without any real value, much like the FMC accepting such willingly.

She may be influenced by emotional/physical means, but her ability to reason still exists (unless otherwise stated by the author) and in the end, if she is accepting and enjoying physical advances from another, she is disrespecting the MC, having no consideration for him, no concern for his well being in this situation, rather she is dismissing it for her own pleasure, placing it above that of her so called "love".

Yes, in RL you see people from time to time deal with these conflicts and act on them, but they are by no means showing any "love" to the ones they are betraying. It really is simple, if one accepts cheating, they don't love the person they cheat on, no matter how much dancing around and rationalizing that is done. It is pure double speak.

 

[Raferu]

but her ability to reason still exists (unless otherwise stated by the author)

We're literally told that she's being corrupted by the nanobots. I don't know what else to tell you other than it's a porn plot, don't take it that seriously.

 

[funnythings3785]

We're literally told that she's being corrupted by the nanobots. I don't know what else to tell you other than it's a porn plot, don't take it that seriously.

Again, as I pointed out, to what extent? Do they simply have an effect on her emotional/physical state? Or are they modifying her cognitive abilities? If it is the latter, then well... she has zero control, zero means to make decisions and the nanobots are the ones making her choices for her. Is that the case?

It isn't about being serious, it is about being consistent and logical to the story progression. If nothing stated means anything, if none of the actions, states, or scenarios have any real meaning, then what point to the story is there anyway? Why bother if nothing has any real meaning, nothing has any real value in terms of its portrayal? That is a poor excuse for a hole in the writing which can easily be solved through some clarification (nanobot capability) or some adjustments to the story that doesn't make sense.

 

[dnylive]

We're literally told that she's being corrupted by the nanobots. I don't know what else to tell you other than it's a porn plot, don't take it that seriously.

That is actually only partly true to a certain extend.
Matt is corrupting her, or in case of the lovers path is trying to.

The nanos just make her horny all the time and amplify her pleasure she's feeling, which obviously works at all other paths.

For lovers it seems she's responding to his soft side, so to make the masturbation scene more in line with the plot, she could lose a small amount of affection points during that scene and she should get it back once Matt is his usual self (asshole) again.

So that we know as players what the key is to corrupt her on lovers.