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[zebucetiva]

Mind control is the worst form of “NTR.”
I swear I get more NTR from lending my coffee machine to my sister.

It’s so shit, I hate it when great characterization gets ruined by this lazy trope.

I hate mind control in NTR too, but what i hate even more is ntr through rape.
Rape is completely different from classic coercion.
For example: there are countless doujins of FMC who loses a judo match, gets raped, and ends up "loving the dick". That's garbage.
A completely different situation is what happens to the pink-haired FMC from Dark Hero Party, (I don't remember exactly how it goes anymore, but it's basically her being slowly corrupted while trying to save her friends)


Of the last few games I've played, the one with the best form of corruption was CCTV. The gaslighting MC does to his wife is brilliant... guilt, anger, little suggestions on bed and dinner talk... I don't remember seeing anything like it in other games.

Even though, in a way, it's you (MC) pushing the FMC towards corruption, the core of how it's done, for me, is almost unmatched. We need more gaslighting NTR

 

[Bofadeezus]

My most anticipated release ever and the dev decided to go MIA a few months prior to full launch.

Link: https://f95zone.to/threads/between-...rj322734-dh-files.83223/page-14#post-16086912

The demo alone was better than some of these shovelware NTR titles.

Judging from the amount of hidden NTR in the demo, there was going to be some insanely good content too

 

[Kulman]

I stumbled upon

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work by Yamabatake, and i'm wondering if there is any game/VN with a similar style of Netorare as that?

The narrative trait i'm looking for specifically is the story's absence of a significant male antagonist character (except the Love Interest herself, if she's even considered an antagonist). Evoking the sense that it is the "environment" that is organically corrupting the Love Interest, and not some pathetically-obsessed wannabe villain.

The Love Interest being a great liar is also always a nice touch, adding to the contrast between her seemingly wholesome persona and the debauched experiences.

I also like when the whole village/school/town is a character in itself pretty much. For non netorare you kinda have country bumpkin yukata and games from Lovely pretty loving you. For ntr I guess mischief island kinda counts? Though that does kinda have some more prominent characters (they all do), but overall it feels more like the whole town is in on it and has its own character.

 

[tupdomain]

My most anticipated release ever and the dev decided to go MIA a few months prior to full launch.

Link: https://f95zone.to/threads/between-...rj322734-dh-files.83223/page-14#post-16086912

The demo alone was better than some of these shovelware NTR titles.

Judging from the amount of hidden NTR in the demo, there was going to be some insanely good content too

7 days to go til dev went MIA for exactly a year, their last post on Ci-en was about their family passing

 

[crnisl]

Evoking the sense that it is the "environment" that is organically corrupting the Love Interest, and not some pathetically-obsessed wannabe villain.

 

[kyotheman101]

Given that you like Lesbians Getting Dicked (your list is cool), It's funny that your ntr list is so man-oriented.
And I look for certain types of females in the ntr stories, and the bull is not even that important.

• Older Sister (mother and younger sister are fine too, but less interesting). Examples: The Curse of Pleasure
• Princess-Knight (just noble/queen/princess or just adventurer/fighter/knightess are fine too, but less interesting) Examples: Golden Cynicism
• Boss Lady (better CEO, but teamlead or female teacher or at least school student president - are somewhat fine too) Examples: A Promise Best Left Unkept

Tbh, I look for these types, whether it's ntr or not.

As for a specific fetish, you know - something reverse to the lesbians dicked - girls forced to lesbian things.
Female helper trope is somewhat fitting -

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manga and anime are a fine example. Another fine example - is the approach in Something Unlimited.
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But the best would be 2 girls hating each other, but forced to kiss and strap-on each other, while being fucked by the bull. Or not hating each other, but hating the act, because they're mother and daughter.
Can anyone recommend anything like that?

NTR Knight is actual NTR, Golden Cynicism is not, you don't have relationship with the princess

 

[kyotheman101]

I don't get how many people here are talking about great NTR releases last year and no one mentions Mirage's defection or Rina Test

Never heard of first one, Rina Test is that Pixel only hentai just not fan of, reminds me of that Chronicles one, was kind of "meh"

 

[kyotheman101]

Is this from the developer where a wife and a maid become pirates? The one where the sex is all sprites only?

need more info lol, could be NTRMAN game, few others

 

[kyotheman101]

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demo released back in january for soraues new game

my antivirus instantly blocks that if i click on it

 

[crnisl]

NTR Knight is actual NTR, Golden Cynicism is not, you don't have relationship with the princess

Well, Golden Princess is tagged with ntr.
While games like Angel Tear: Goddess Betrayed and Record of Asturion War Redux are not tagged with ntr, lol.

 

[Seven Soft]

I also like when the whole village/school/town is a character in itself pretty much. For non netorare you kinda have country bumpkin yukata and games from Lovely pretty loving you. For ntr I guess mischief island kinda counts? Though that does kinda have some more prominent characters (they all do), but overall it feels more like the whole town is in on it and has its own character.

Exactly. Yes technically i do not mind the story having a relatively prominent character; i just don't want them to be a cringeworthy maniac who is obsessed with corrupting the female Love Interest. Since i want the corruption to be just an organic resultant of the girl trying to fit in/assimilate to the local culture.

Although i will admit now that the underlying idea i've been tiptoeing around all this time is:

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As is contextualized by the above; i'm trying to see a Netorare story which captures this premise. More specifically, a folly about a dude who (severely wrongly) thinks he can have a "cool" girl be his faithful girlfriend. Only to be betrayed by her as she's trying to strike the impossible balance between being the wholesome girlfriend he wants and trying to fit in (to her ipso facto hypersexual social environment and consequently another man's lap). I believe this is a very grounded and realistic narrative premise.

So the entity who "cucks" him is actually the environment itself, and not necessarily a pathetically-obsessed dork who is hellbent on stealing his girl. Now that i think about it, i feel like this idea of Netorare i'm trying to picture is just the average backstory of so-called "redpillers".

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[Seven Soft]

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That's a fair but loosely accurate caricature to what i'm alluding. But the general premise is correct (i suppose).

The discrepancy between that caricature and the idea i'm alluding to is that in the caricature, the fucking happens before the love interest willfully forego being faithful to the MC. I'm trying to allude to the idea of Netorare where the love interest thinks (or rather, be led to think) it's socially more advantageous to dabble into/entertain the adultery than it is to actually be faithful to the MC. So she consciously chose to cheat on the side, while keeping an appearance of faithfulness to the MC. That's where the amusement is for me.

 

[qwwettyippoity]

Exactly. Yes technically i do not mind the story having a relatively prominent character; i just don't want them to be a cringeworthy maniac who is obsessed with corrupting the female Love Interest. Since i want the corruption to be just an organic resultant of the girl trying to fit in/assimilate to the local culture.

Although i will admit now that the underlying idea i've been tiptoeing around all this time is:

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As is contextualized by the above; i'm trying to see a Netorare story which captures this premise. More specifically, a folly about a dude who (severely wrongly) thinks he can have a "cool" girl be his faithful girlfriend. Only to be betrayed by her as she's trying to strike the impossible balance between being the wholesome girlfriend he wants and trying to fit in (to her ipso facto hypersexual social environment and consequently another man's lap). I believe this is a very grounded and realistic narrative premise.

So the entity who "cucks" him is actually the environment itself, and not necessarily a pathetically-obsessed dork who is hellbent on stealing his girl. Now that i think about it, i feel like this idea of Netorare i'm trying to picture is just the average backstory of so-called "redpillers".

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i disagree with your last
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the red pill just give the truth how you interpret it is up to you and the 2 sides that abuse their choice are at wrong
are wrong(that is about 80% of women get the choice about 20% man got it)
the thing is women cant work to get their attraction back man can get more money or get more muscle or get success in some field (not saying they would they just can)
no matter how much woman would "improve" she cant get her youth and purity and chastity back
not place to say this but still do more research with your terminology next time to (SPOILER: Disclaimer) i didn't read the rest

 

[Komdot]

Rina Test lost all appeal as soon as the guy started cheating first.

In By Side be like, but still a good game

 

[Sieglinnde]

That's why I personally didn't like In By Side also

 

[Seven Soft]

i disagree with your last
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the red pill just give the truth how you interpret it is up to you and the 2 sides that abuse their choice are at wrong
are wrong(that is about 80% of women get the choice about 20% man got it)
the thing is women cant work to get their attraction back man can get more money or get more muscle or get success in some field (not saying they would they just can)
no matter how much woman would "improve" she cant get her youth and purity and chastity back
not place to say this but still do more research with your terminology next time to (SPOILER: Disclaimer) i didn't read the rest

Oh i know, i don't necessarily declare the women there blameless. But what i'm saying is

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So that's how i understand redpill. And i believe my views show that i'm not in the spectrum at all, since (as i've said) i'm an outsider and a non-participant to the culture. But i'm an internet user, and the participants of said culture have allowed the world to see their woes via this medium.

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EDIT 2: pardon me for interrupting the discussion here, as it's straying away from the designated topic.

 

[anonsuit]

Heavily disagree. A good author can make it creative. Hypnotism can be done in so many ways. Recently, this discourse around hypno and NTR is starting to become a "pineapple on pizza" type of arguing. Where I feel like people just agree because it's the popular opinion.

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it is a matter of taste that is why I said it was a fetish, it is only enjoyable if you like hipnotism.

as for you second question well a writing excersise:

I anonsuit-sensei am writing a sex scene.

and Nampa-san approaches Girly-chan he pulls the zipper of his pants and reveals his massive dick whose shadow creates an eclipse over Girly-chan's face.

hmm how I anonsuit-sensei should write about Girly-chan's response:

• if she blushes and hides her face it shows how she is ashamed, and if she looks between her eyes i show that she is kinda interested
• if i make her scared I can show that she feels threatened and then Nampa-san can manipulate or coerce her.
• or I could have her blush and smile, it turns out Girly-chan was a slut all along!!

Or I could have Nampa-san pull out a cellphone hypnotize her and save my self thinking about character development. I mean is it rape if she does not even remember it happening?

this is a variant of IF you rape a tree in the woods and the tree does not remember because you hypnotized it, did it make sex noises? did it get raped?

hipnotism has 0 narrative value and it is purely a fetish. nothing bad with it. for example I like bondage but I do not like fictional bondage the same way.

 

[monsterartisan]

it is a matter of taste that is why I said it was a fetish, it is only enjoyable if you like hipnotism.

as for you second question well a writing excersise:

I anonsuit-sensei am writing a sex scene.

and Nampa-san approaches Girly-chan he pulls the zipper of his pants and reveals his massive dick whose shadow creates an eclipse over Girly-chan's face.

hmm how I anonsuit-sensei should write about Girly-chan's response:

• if she blushes and hides her face it shows how she is ashamed, and if she looks between her eyes i show that she is kinda interested
• if i make her scared I can show that she feels threatened and then Nampa-san can manipulate or coerce her.
• or I could have her blush and smile, it turns out Girly-chan was a slut all along!!

Or I could have Nampa-san pull out a cellphone hypnotize her and save my self thinking about character development. I mean is it rape if she does not even remember it happening?

this is a variant of IF you rape a tree in the woods and the tree does not remember because you hypnotized it, did it make sex noises? did it get raped?

hipnotism has 0 narrative value and it is purely a fetish. nothing bad with it. for example I like bondage but I do not like fictional bondage the same way.

You should read a lot of other previous posts. It seems you are just assuming it in one singular form. and no this "writing exercise" still does not explain whatever "characters are hypnotized by the author" mean. Unless you have problems getting immersed in a story or are used to bad writing. Then you should not be equating it like that in the first place.

have a good day

 

[cowardleech]

Heavily disagree. A good author can make it creative. Hypnotism can be done in so many ways. Recently, this discourse around hypno and NTR is starting to become a "pineapple on pizza" type of arguing. Where I feel like people just agree because it's the popular opinion.

True, there is potential for good Hypno NTR but people avoid spending time playing Hypno NTR games because most of them are boring and the LI slips really fast making the NTR boring and predictable. It's more of a problem with the premise because it isn't easy to make a Hypno NTR story not snowball into sex after 2-5 interactions.

 

[qwwettyippoity]

True, there is potential for good Hypno NTR but people avoid spending time playing Hypno NTR games because most of them are boring and the LI slips really fast making the NTR boring and predictable. It's more of a problem with the premise because it isn't easy to make a Hypno NTR story not snowball into sex after 2-5 interactions.

Hypno NTR is good when its an implementation on something and not strait in to sex after the 1 session of hypno