It does skew heavily to voyeurism but that's something that's already pretty core to most works in some way or another, and there's still enough of a feeling of loss that it fits. If there was some kind of spectrum it would be way off at an edge. NTR is both a wide genre and extremely polarizing so it only makes sense that just about anyone can find some aspect they don't like.
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No, on the other hand if the MC that is supposed to be witht he girl is an asshole then i personally don't consider that ntr, there are works like that where the husband is an ass but honestly if the guy deserves it that is not ntr for me.
Agreed. Not that the others haven't already done a good job explaining what the genre is, but I'm also going to throw my two cents at it. The element of unfairness is fundamental to the definition of NTR. While it doesn't completly break away with genre, I too consider the attempt to make the affair a payback by the wife as diluting the strenght of game/story.
Going further, and maybe more subjectively, I think this should be extended as to include other ways this may happen besides the "asshole husband" situation.
Again, my humble opnion, but games with stories where there is a biological issue(husband has a small peepee or can't impregnate wife) help make the act too much in the realm of "reasonable" or "justifiable". I also find games with stories that scrutinize too much the husband's/boyfriend's psychological profile(looking at you Hero Party Must Fail), giving them serious intimacy or social issues help softening the outrageousness of the affair.
Trying to summarize all that I said, NTR games should always aim at making you feel "he doesn't deserve this", rather than "he deserves this" or "this is to be expected".
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All this shouting, name calling, and general unpleasantness over some bullshit JP writing that it'll never happen in real life.
Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".
A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.
Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.
Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.
Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".
A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.
Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.
Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.
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Porn is about fantasies, especially porn games . The reason for making and playing these games is to be able to experience mental fantasies and situations that cannot be experienced in the real world or the chance of it happening is very low.
If we are looking for reason and logic, we should not come to these games at all.
I agree that the logic and reality of a story can make the game more interesting, but sometimes the logic of the story and the characters can make many of the events that are supposed to be seen in the game impossible.
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NGOD-200 seems to be the most interesting NTR Jav coming from the studio Jet Eizou this year and it'll be published 12/12/2023.
The story is about a young streamer couple buying a house at a village. While their streamer business booms with all the rural area content they produce, they become fast friends with an old, rich farmer who brings gifts to them. Everything is going good until the husband start noticing changes at his wife. Also, a woman who looks like his wife starts posting naughty videos to porn streamer sites. Now, that story will make a good game too, especially if the streaming parts are done well.
Anyway, here is the trailer:
The story is about a young streamer couple buying a house at a village. While their streamer business booms with all the rural area content they produce, they become fast friends with an old, rich farmer who brings gifts to them. Everything is going good until the husband start noticing changes at his wife. Also, a woman who looks like his wife starts posting naughty videos to porn streamer sites. Now, that story will make a good game too, especially if the streaming parts are done well.
Anyway, here is the trailer:
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Uh.....first of all, most people here are not brainwashed about that stuff. We recognize jp ntr isnt based in reality. Dont treat us like we're kids with these nonesensical explanations.
We play these games as a means of escape. In the end, it's just pure fiction. If you're always so focused on realism and strong immersion, then stay on that side. Also take note, ntr is a japan thing, so calling them out as "not ntr" in your own standard is both obnoxious and delusional.(Are you saying that you know ntr more than them? What a joke)
We didnt mature? Tf you talking about? We're just here enjoying simplicity.What's wrong with that? You think we should just enjoy well-written, top tier stuff?Get off your high horse.
It's cool if you dont see these types of ntr as ntr. But dont kink shame people based on your own opinion.
It's like you havent seen any jp ntr avs where most of these things are presented over there as well.
Anyway, point is, as long as the core concept of ntr is there, it's ntr. Simple. There's a reason why there's a lot of jp ntr games being churned every year., because they know the simple core concept of it. Doesnt matter if it's good or bad writing/plot.
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I can't believe I'm actually writing this. Because of the ongoing debate of what NTR genre is I've decided to describe my point of view.
NTR comes from japanese word 寝取られ (netorare) with 2 subgenres: 寝取り (netori) and 寝取らせ (netorase).
2 kanjis are presented here:
1) 寝る -> "to sleep" which has (as in english) literal and figurative meanings. Here is used figurative meaning: to have sex.
2) 取る -> "to take" which, if we look at word netorare, is written in passive voice 取られる (torareru) -> "is taken".
Thus, we have a compound verb with meaning close to "(someone) is taken (from somebody) through sex".
This meaning defines means and ends of the genre. While it's all clear with "means" part where change of heart should happen through pressure of carnal desires, the "goal" part where woman has to be taken from MC is debatable. Imho, female character is taken when her original relationship connetion with MC has been diminished or destroyed all together while new connetion with the person who "took" her has been established. And relationship with MC shouldn't necessarily be as lovers, family bonds seems legit target to me as well.
A few word about subgenres.
Usually nerori is seen as "good MC take poor woman from bad husbund/lover" and I don't think it's correct. While netori no longer has passive voice in「取」part, it still has the 「寝」part which should be the main reason (means), otherwise it's no longer a netori game/VN but... some sort of melodrama I suppose. Good example of genre would be studio pork, especially their latest VN
Netorase has causative verb form (to allow/let/make) which means "(someone) allows/lets (somybody) to be taken". I guess this is as close to cuckold genre as you can get. Good example here would be works of Atelier Sakura, specifically
I hope this textwall will help somebody to understand the genre better.
NTR comes from japanese word 寝取られ (netorare) with 2 subgenres: 寝取り (netori) and 寝取らせ (netorase).
2 kanjis are presented here:
1) 寝る -> "to sleep" which has (as in english) literal and figurative meanings. Here is used figurative meaning: to have sex.
2) 取る -> "to take" which, if we look at word netorare, is written in passive voice 取られる (torareru) -> "is taken".
Thus, we have a compound verb with meaning close to "(someone) is taken (from somebody) through sex".
This meaning defines means and ends of the genre. While it's all clear with "means" part where change of heart should happen through pressure of carnal desires, the "goal" part where woman has to be taken from MC is debatable. Imho, female character is taken when her original relationship connetion with MC has been diminished or destroyed all together while new connetion with the person who "took" her has been established. And relationship with MC shouldn't necessarily be as lovers, family bonds seems legit target to me as well.
A few word about subgenres.
Usually nerori is seen as "good MC take poor woman from bad husbund/lover" and I don't think it's correct. While netori no longer has passive voice in「取」part, it still has the 「寝」part which should be the main reason (means), otherwise it's no longer a netori game/VN but... some sort of melodrama I suppose. Good example of genre would be studio pork, especially their latest VN
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.Netorase has causative verb form (to allow/let/make) which means "(someone) allows/lets (somybody) to be taken". I guess this is as close to cuckold genre as you can get. Good example here would be works of Atelier Sakura, specifically
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series.I hope this textwall will help somebody to understand the genre better.
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Dude's source is from wikipedia/western blogpost. lmao
Here, I have a better definition and explanation for you:
Ntr Definition
Also, just gonna mention it again: Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not? Are you saying you know ntr more than them? When the term is originally from them?
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NTR is a very popular category, they will put whatever tag they can that gets them sells. Its why you get a ton of shit NTR, its NTR by the bare minimum that can be justified so they hit that category.
And where did he mention he used Wikipedia as a source, did I miss it? If you check Wikipedia I'm pretty sure it just says NTR = Cuckold, lol. And why would you complain he used a Wester perspective and then give another Wester perspective? That makes no sense to me. lol
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Like I said, they are still ntr regardless if its shitty.
Im not complaining, also Im simply showing a better definition and explanation of it.
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Had a quick glance at "better definition" and already saw some misses. The main difference cuckold (netorase) and netorare is that MC in netorase not only knows about his lover's adultery but also enjoys it (in some masochistic way), while in netorare MC might not even know what happens behind his back and if he'll ever figure it out it won't be an enjoyable moment for him. Also it's stated that netorare is always includes cheating which is not possible if MC is a woman's relative.
"Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not?" Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean by "it".
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Dude, did you even read the post properly?You just simply repeated what its meant. Also there's no netorase mentioned in cuckoldry.
Wait if we're talking about relatives, then It's really about context. Then again,I dont really care about mother/sister (and the mc is the "cuck son") ntr stuff.
What I meant on that last statement is why would jp people upload those games tagged as ntr if it never met the requirements in the first place?
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Anyway, before this goes even further, Im just here affirming most everyone's point that NTR doesn't need the MC to have a love relationship. It's all about context.
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I've tried to debunk this statement. They are not overlapping at all imo. But cheating part, yeah, misread it.
About jp people. Same as us, they start to lose the sense of the genre, it's true meaning. Or, as stated above, simply use the tag to draw more attention.
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That's fine, that's your opinon.
Not sure if they are starting to lose the sense of the genre tbh. It's more likely that theyre just going for the fundamental aspect of the genre and just churning them into low quality ntr . But that doesnt mean it's not ntr. It's bad, but it's still ntr.
Are they losing the essence of ntr and most of them just want to make ntr games for profit? absolutely.
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It was just quite hyped and turned out to be a major letdown.
It is not horrible absolute garbage (well someone might say it is), but the difference between the hype and reality was a bit harsh.