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[cIoseopenbrutal]

All this shouting, name calling, and general unpleasantness over some bullshit JP writing that it'll never happen in real life.

Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".

A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.

Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.

Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.

Uh.....first of all, most people here are not brainwashed about that stuff. We recognize jp ntr isnt based in reality. Dont treat us like we're kids with these nonesensical explanations.

We play these games as a means of escape. In the end, it's just pure fiction. If you're always so focused on realism and strong immersion, then stay on that side. Also take note, ntr is a japan thing, so calling them out as "not ntr" in your own standard is both obnoxious and delusional.(Are you saying that you know ntr more than them? What a joke)

We didnt mature? Tf you talking about? We're just here enjoying simplicity.What's wrong with that? You think we should just enjoy well-written, top tier stuff?Get off your high horse.

It's cool if you dont see these types of ntr as ntr. But dont kink shame people based on your own opinion.

It's like you havent seen any jp ntr avs where most of these things are presented over there as well.

Anyway, point is, as long as the core concept of ntr is there, it's ntr. Simple. There's a reason why there's a lot of jp ntr games being churned every year., because they know the simple core concept of it. Doesnt matter if it's good or bad writing/plot.

 

[c0gnomen]

I can't believe I'm actually writing this. Because of the ongoing debate of what NTR genre is I've decided to describe my point of view.

NTR comes from japanese word 寝取られ (netorare) with 2 subgenres: 寝取り (netori) and 寝取らせ (netorase).
2 kanjis are presented here:
1) 寝る -> "to sleep" which has (as in english) literal and figurative meanings. Here is used figurative meaning: to have sex.
2) 取る -> "to take" which, if we look at word netorare, is written in passive voice 取られる (torareru) -> "is taken".
Thus, we have a compound verb with meaning close to "(someone) is taken (from somebody) through sex".

This meaning defines means and ends of the genre. While it's all clear with "means" part where change of heart should happen through pressure of carnal desires, the "goal" part where woman has to be taken from MC is debatable. Imho, female character is taken when her original relationship connetion with MC has been diminished or destroyed all together while new connetion with the person who "took" her has been established. And relationship with MC shouldn't necessarily be as lovers, family bonds seems legit target to me as well.

A few word about subgenres.

Usually nerori is seen as "good MC take poor woman from bad husbund/lover" and I don't think it's correct. While netori no longer has passive voice in「取」part, it still has the 「寝」part which should be the main reason (means), otherwise it's no longer a netori game/VN but... some sort of melodrama I suppose. Good example of genre would be studio pork, especially their latest VN

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.

Netorase has causative verb form (to allow/let/make) which means "(someone) allows/lets (somybody) to be taken". I guess this is as close to cuckold genre as you can get. Good example here would be works of Atelier Sakura, specifically

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series.

I hope this textwall will help somebody to understand the genre better.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

I can't believe I'm actually writing this. Because of the ongoing debate of what NTR genre is I've decided to describe my point of view.

NTR comes from japanese word 寝取られ (netorare) with 2 subgenres: 寝取り (netori) and 寝取らせ (netorase).
2 kanjis are presented here:
1) 寝る -> "to sleep" which has (as in english) literal and figurative meanings. Here is used figurative meaning: to have sex.
2) 取る -> "to take" which, if we look at word netorare, is written in passive voice 取られる (torareru) -> "is taken".
Thus, we have a compound verb with meaning close to "(someone) is taken (from somebody) through sex".

This meaning defines means and ends of the genre. While it's all clear with "means" part where change of heart should happen through pressure of carnal desires, the "goal" part where woman has to be taken from MC is debatable. Imho, female character is taken when her original relationship connetion with MC has been diminished or destroyed all together while new connetion with the person who "took" her has been established. And relationship with MC shouldn't necessarily be as lovers, family bonds seems legit target to me as well.

A few word about subgenres.

Usually nerori is seen as "good MC take poor woman from bad husbund/lover" and I don't think it's correct. While netori no longer has passive voice in「取」part, it still has the 「寝」part which should be the main reason (means), otherwise it's no longer a netori game/VN but... some sort of melodrama I suppose. Good example of genre would be studio pork, especially their latest VN

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.

Netorase has causative verb form (to allow/let/make) which means "(someone) allows/lets (somybody) to be taken". I guess this is as close to cuckold genre as you can get. Good example here would be works of Atelier Sakura, specifically

You must be registered to see the links

series.

I hope this textwall will help somebody to understand the genre better.

Dude's source is from wikipedia/western blogpost. lmao
Here, I have a better definition and explanation for you:
Ntr Definition

Also, just gonna mention it again: Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not? Are you saying you know ntr more than them? When the term is originally from them?

 

[LordFrz]

Dude's source is from wikipedia lmao/western blogpost.
Here, I have a better definition and explanation for you:
Ntr Definition

Also, just gonna mention it again: Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not? Are you saying you know ntr more than them? When the term is originally from them?

NTR is a very popular category, they will put whatever tag they can that gets them sells. Its why you get a ton of shit NTR, its NTR by the bare minimum that can be justified so they hit that category.

And where did he mention he used Wikipedia as a source, did I miss it? If you check Wikipedia I'm pretty sure it just says NTR = Cuckold, lol. And why would you complain he used a Wester perspective and then give another Wester perspective? That makes no sense to me. lol

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

NTR is a very popular category, they will put whatever tag they can that gets them sells. Its why you get a ton of shit NTR, its NTR by the bare minimum that can be justified so they hit that category.

And where did he mention he used Wikipedia as a source, did I miss it? If you check Wikipedia I'm pretty sure it just says NTR = Cuckold, lol. And why would you complain he used a Wester perspective and then give another Wester perspective? That makes no sense to me. lol

Like I said, they are still ntr regardless if its shitty.

Im not complaining, also Im simply showing a better definition and explanation of it.

 

[c0gnomen]

Dude's source is from wikipedia/western blogpost. lmao
Here, I have a better definition and explanation for you:
Ntr Definition

Also, just gonna mention it again: Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not? Are you saying you know ntr more than them? When the term is originally from them?

Had a quick glance at "better definition" and already saw some misses. The main difference cuckold (netorase) and netorare is that MC in netorase not only knows about his lover's adultery but also enjoys it (in some masochistic way), while in netorare MC might not even know what happens behind his back and if he'll ever figure it out it won't be an enjoyable moment for him. Also it's stated that netorare is always includes cheating which is not possible if MC is a woman's relative.

"Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not?" Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean by "it".

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

Had a quick glance at "better definition" and already saw some misses. The main difference cuckold (netorase) and netorare is that MC in netorase not only knows about his lover's adultery but also enjoys it (in some masochistic way), while in netorare MC might not even know what happens behind his back and if he'll ever figure it out it won't be an enjoyable moment for him. Also it's stated that netorare is always includes cheating which is not possible if MC is a woman's relative.

"Why would jp ntr devs post it as ntr if in your perception, it's not?" Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean by "it".

Dude, did you even read the post properly?You just simply repeated what its meant. Also there's no netorase mentioned in cuckoldry.

Wait if we're talking about relatives, then It's really about context. Then again,I dont really care about mother/sister (and the mc is the "cuck son") ntr stuff.

What I meant on that last statement is why would jp people upload those games tagged as ntr if it never met the requirements in the first place?

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

Anyway, before this goes even further, Im just here affirming most everyone's point that NTR doesn't need the MC to have a love relationship. It's all about context.

 

[c0gnomen]

Dude, did you even read the post properly?You just simply repeated what its meant. Also there's no netorase mentioned in cuckoldry.

Wait if we're talking about relatives, then It's really about context. Then again,I dont really care about mother/sister (and the mc is the "cuck son") ntr stuff.

What I meant on that last statement is why would jp people upload those games tagged as ntr if it never met the requirements in the first place?

If you were drawing a Venn diagram, 'cuckoldry' and 'netorare' would have some overlap, but neither would be wholly inside the other.

I've tried to debunk this statement. They are not overlapping at all imo. But cheating part, yeah, misread it.

About jp people. Same as us, they start to lose the sense of the genre, it's true meaning. Or, as stated above, simply use the tag to draw more attention.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

I've tried to debunk this statement. They are not overlapping at all imo. But cheating part, yeah, misread it.

About jp people. Same as us, they start to lose the sense of the genre, it's true meaning. Or, as stated above, simply use the tag to draw more attention.

That's fine, that's your opinon.

Not sure if they are starting to lose the sense of the genre tbh. It's more likely that theyre just going for the fundamental aspect of the genre and just churning them into low quality ntr . But that doesnt mean it's not ntr. It's bad, but it's still ntr.

Are they losing the essence of ntr and most of them just want to make ntr games for profit? absolutely.

 

[Kulman]

Whats so bad about it. I havent played it yet

It was just quite hyped and turned out to be a major letdown.

It is not horrible absolute garbage (well someone might say it is), but the difference between the hype and reality was a bit harsh.

 

[exazubi]

I can't believe I'm actually writing this. Because of the ongoing debate of what NTR genre is I've decided to describe my point of view.

NTR comes from japanese word 寝取られ (netorare) with 2 subgenres: 寝取り (netori) and 寝取らせ (netorase).
2 kanjis are presented here:
1) 寝る -> "to sleep" which has (as in english) literal and figurative meanings. Here is used figurative meaning: to have sex.
2) 取る -> "to take" which, if we look at word netorare, is written in passive voice 取られる (torareru) -> "is taken".
Thus, we have a compound verb with meaning close to "(someone) is taken (from somebody) through sex".

This meaning defines means and ends of the genre. While it's all clear with "means" part where change of heart should happen through pressure of carnal desires, the "goal" part where woman has to be taken from MC is debatable. Imho, female character is taken when her original relationship connetion with MC has been diminished or destroyed all together while new connetion with the person who "took" her has been established. And relationship with MC shouldn't necessarily be as lovers, family bonds seems legit target to me as well.

A few word about subgenres.

Usually nerori is seen as "good MC take poor woman from bad husbund/lover" and I don't think it's correct. While netori no longer has passive voice in「取」part, it still has the 「寝」part which should be the main reason (means), otherwise it's no longer a netori game/VN but... some sort of melodrama I suppose. Good example of genre would be studio pork, especially their latest VN

You must be registered to see the links

.

Netorase has causative verb form (to allow/let/make) which means "(someone) allows/lets (somybody) to be taken". I guess this is as close to cuckold genre as you can get. Good example here would be works of Atelier Sakura, specifically

You must be registered to see the links

series.

I hope this textwall will help somebody to understand the genre better.

Thats all right. But that certainly won't end the eternal NTR dispute. You're welcome to try it, good luck with it

But that won't work. The dispute did not arise from a lack of knowledge. I don't know how many times I've had this discussion with others. In meantime I have given up on it. NTR's fans already know what it really is. The haters usually don't want to know and use NTR as an excuse to enforce their will, which in their opinion is above all others, and thus exclude other men from the game.

And even since the last reform, NTR has been completely incorrectly explained in the forum tags to this day. In essence, the starting point there is still an LI, not the necessary existing relationship.

 

[Amanda Carter]

Yea, it's the connection that needs to be lost. If you don't give a shit about your sister you probably don't care how she changes. It's establishing that connection that most crappy NTR forget to do.

The best NTR for me is when you do everything right. You get a good character relationship established. A good example is Lean 2.

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And I completely agree, while it overlaps a lot, just corruption is not NTR. Too many NTR tagged games end up just being a girl who turns into a super slut without really getting the connection with the MC built up first.

Can you link the game Lean 2?

 

[Ivriktwo]

Wow i suppouse we have to expect a discussion about "what is NTR?" at least once each month

 

[Reven23]

 

[blablablagivemethemoney]

ah yes, the biyearly debate on what NTR is and the nuances therein
my incredibly hot, fresh-off-the-stove take is that if there exists a connection between MC and FMC such that the NTR dude banging FMC makes you feel bad for MC (or invokes feelings of jealousy, or being stolen from, if you like to self-insert), then that counts as netorare. I enjoy NTR where the FMC is merely a crush, or even just a girl on the subway that the MC finds attractice, as much as NTR where the FMC is a girlfriend or wife.

 

[fuckyoutoo22]

All this shouting, name calling, and general unpleasantness over some bullshit JP writing that it'll never happen in real life.

Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".

A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.

Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.

Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.

This has to be one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point, in your insufferable rambling and petty name calling were you even close to anything remotely intelligent and condescending, which everyone here can see was what you were going for.

I actually hope you're 14 years old or something. The absolute cringe of having a grown man giving a lecture about real life in a thread discussing about porn, fetish and fictional story. God fucking help you and everyone around you that has to endure you in their lives

 

[exazubi]

All this shouting, name calling, and general unpleasantness over some bullshit JP writing that it'll never happen in real life.

Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".

A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.

Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.

Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.

Then you've never played a good NTR game. NTR in particular has good storylines. Because they are essential for it to come across well. It's more like the vanilla/harem games, where everything that isn't ready by the count of three gets fucked, often without story, meaning or understanding.

 

[Son1cc]

This has to be one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point, in your insufferable rambling and petty name calling were you even close to anything remotely intelligent and condescending, which everyone here can see was what you were going for.

His previous reviews of NTR games whether JP or not were also hung up on realism. bruh..

 

[andybc]

His previous reviews of NTR games whether JP or not were also hung up on realism. bruh..

This is the same guy who linked a real life example of rape as source material. He's one step away from doing the real thing. Who tf plays games for realism?