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[exazubi]

I can't believe I'm actually writing this. Because of the ongoing debate of what NTR genre is I've decided to describe my point of view.

NTR comes from japanese word 寝取られ (netorare) with 2 subgenres: 寝取り (netori) and 寝取らせ (netorase).
2 kanjis are presented here:
1) 寝る -> "to sleep" which has (as in english) literal and figurative meanings. Here is used figurative meaning: to have sex.
2) 取る -> "to take" which, if we look at word netorare, is written in passive voice 取られる (torareru) -> "is taken".
Thus, we have a compound verb with meaning close to "(someone) is taken (from somebody) through sex".

This meaning defines means and ends of the genre. While it's all clear with "means" part where change of heart should happen through pressure of carnal desires, the "goal" part where woman has to be taken from MC is debatable. Imho, female character is taken when her original relationship connetion with MC has been diminished or destroyed all together while new connetion with the person who "took" her has been established. And relationship with MC shouldn't necessarily be as lovers, family bonds seems legit target to me as well.

A few word about subgenres.

Usually nerori is seen as "good MC take poor woman from bad husbund/lover" and I don't think it's correct. While netori no longer has passive voice in「取」part, it still has the 「寝」part which should be the main reason (means), otherwise it's no longer a netori game/VN but... some sort of melodrama I suppose. Good example of genre would be studio pork, especially their latest VN

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Netorase has causative verb form (to allow/let/make) which means "(someone) allows/lets (somybody) to be taken". I guess this is as close to cuckold genre as you can get. Good example here would be works of Atelier Sakura, specifically

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series.

I hope this textwall will help somebody to understand the genre better.

Thats all right. But that certainly won't end the eternal NTR dispute. You're welcome to try it, good luck with it

But that won't work. The dispute did not arise from a lack of knowledge. I don't know how many times I've had this discussion with others. In meantime I have given up on it. NTR's fans already know what it really is. The haters usually don't want to know and use NTR as an excuse to enforce their will, which in their opinion is above all others, and thus exclude other men from the game.

And even since the last reform, NTR has been completely incorrectly explained in the forum tags to this day. In essence, the starting point there is still an LI, not the necessary existing relationship.

 

[Amanda Carter]

Yea, it's the connection that needs to be lost. If you don't give a shit about your sister you probably don't care how she changes. It's establishing that connection that most crappy NTR forget to do.

The best NTR for me is when you do everything right. You get a good character relationship established. A good example is Lean 2.

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And I completely agree, while it overlaps a lot, just corruption is not NTR. Too many NTR tagged games end up just being a girl who turns into a super slut without really getting the connection with the MC built up first.

Can you link the game Lean 2?

 

[Ivriktwo]

Wow i suppouse we have to expect a discussion about "what is NTR?" at least once each month

 

[Reven23]

 

[blablablagivemethemoney]

ah yes, the biyearly debate on what NTR is and the nuances therein
my incredibly hot, fresh-off-the-stove take is that if there exists a connection between MC and FMC such that the NTR dude banging FMC makes you feel bad for MC (or invokes feelings of jealousy, or being stolen from, if you like to self-insert), then that counts as netorare. I enjoy NTR where the FMC is merely a crush, or even just a girl on the subway that the MC finds attractice, as much as NTR where the FMC is a girlfriend or wife.

 

[fuckyoutoo22]

All this shouting, name calling, and general unpleasantness over some bullshit JP writing that it'll never happen in real life.

Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".

A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.

Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.

Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.

This has to be one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point, in your insufferable rambling and petty name calling were you even close to anything remotely intelligent and condescending, which everyone here can see was what you were going for.

I actually hope you're 14 years old or something. The absolute cringe of having a grown man giving a lecture about real life in a thread discussing about porn, fetish and fictional story. God fucking help you and everyone around you that has to endure you in their lives

 

[exazubi]

All this shouting, name calling, and general unpleasantness over some bullshit JP writing that it'll never happen in real life.

Most women do not become cum dumps cock sleeves. They require emotional manipulation, gifts, an inherent lack of self esteem, to become "in love" with a bad guy. JP games and their bad writing has brain washed an entire generation of NTR gamers thinking you can "fuck a girl so she can't get enough", same thinking where guys think they can "fuck lesbians straight".

A realistic NTR is one where your mother dates a douchebag. Here, you can tell her he' a douchebag and if she's like any normal moms, she'll trust your word over his despite how good the sex is. OR she can placate you and secretly does it anyway because 1) he's hot, 2)she has low self-esteem and she thinks this is as good as it gets and 3) he has money and she likes money.

Either way if she continues to date him, mom has lost my respect and really is it really NTR? It's just sad and it's very common. Not sexy at all. It's just pathetic.

Now if he's ugly. Well why would Mom settle for ugly fat fuck cheeto dick cheese man? If she's hot, capable, intellectual? Either way it seems like most NTR writers and consumers just haven't matured out of the "my mom got a divorce and I don't like my step dad" phase.

Then you've never played a good NTR game. NTR in particular has good storylines. Because they are essential for it to come across well. It's more like the vanilla/harem games, where everything that isn't ready by the count of three gets fucked, often without story, meaning or understanding.

 

[Son1cc]

This has to be one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point, in your insufferable rambling and petty name calling were you even close to anything remotely intelligent and condescending, which everyone here can see was what you were going for.

His previous reviews of NTR games whether JP or not were also hung up on realism. bruh..

 

[andybc]

His previous reviews of NTR games whether JP or not were also hung up on realism. bruh..

This is the same guy who linked a real life example of rape as source material. He's one step away from doing the real thing. Who tf plays games for realism?

 

[fuckyoutoo22]

His previous reviews of NTR games whether JP or not were also hung up on realism. bruh..

Somehow, I'm not much surprised.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

ah yes, the biyearly debate on what NTR is and the nuances therein
my incredibly hot, fresh-off-the-stove take is that if there exists a connection between MC and FMC such that the NTR dude banging FMC makes you feel bad for MC (or invokes feelings of jealousy, or being stolen from, if you like to self-insert), then that counts as netorare.

If its in this thread, yeah, there's this occasional debate on these topics. But around this site, whenever there's an ntr game popping out , there's always 8 in 10 chances that these debate comes up. It's more sporadic

His previous reviews of NTR games whether JP or not were also hung up on realism. bruh..

Wait really? That's kinda sad.

 

[zebucetiva]

For anyone outsider, don't worry, this is a canonical event in this thread. Every month a discussion about NTR is mandatory in here. No one will be hurt.

 

[Son1cc]

Somehow, I'm not much surprised.

You can even look at it. Here's the example. #9,699
All of his takes boil down to realism. Conclusion - "Scars of Summer" is an overhyped mediocrity.

 

[Eet_Fuk]

These some funny discussions, better drop your favorite NTR games for degenerate like me

 

[fuckyoutoo22]

You can even look at it. Here's the example. #9,699
All of his takes boil down to realism. Conclusion - "Scars of Summer" is an overhyped mediocrity.

Lol, he actually posted a news article just prove his point about the game not taking the smell of the homeless guy into account.

Way to make a fool of yourself. He is just someone with a specific taste and headstrong about what works or not for him, but decided that somehow everyone should conform to how he prefer things.

 

[Ginger Swan]

With this discussion, I got curious and looked into the definition of 'netorare' in a Japanese dictionary (Obunsha Japanese Dictionary 11th ed for reference). This is what I found:

他人の配偶者や愛人と肉体的な関係を結んで、自分のものにする。

"To form a physical relationship with someone else's spouse or beloved one and make them your own."

That's the core of the action, and everything else (e.g. a situation involving a mother, wife, sister, bully, ugly bastard, hot and rich, womanizer, childhood friend, crush, etc.) are just flavors authors use in their works.

If you take any situation in a piece of work related to this action, you will awaken different emotions depending on your pov as a reader and how the work itself is presented. If the pov is the one affected with this action (the most popular type of NTR in fiction works) then you're going to evoke a feeling of loss that could be severe, to the point that you could feel as if they died, depending on the connection you've formed with the person who was stolen (It greatly depends on how skillful the writer is and if that was their intention). If the pov is the one doing the action, then you will likely evoke feelings of power and pleasure from taking away someone else's beloved or the pleasure of exerting physical and emotional control over a female.

 

[EvolutionKills]

I've tried to debunk this statement. They are not overlapping at all imo. But cheating part, yeah, misread it.

About jp people. Same as us, they start to lose the sense of the genre, it's true meaning. Or, as stated above, simply use the tag to draw more attention.

Dude, why quote me, say that I'm wrong, followed by immediately saying that they are similar in part?

What do you think a Venn diagram 'with some overlap' means, if not 'similar in part'?

 

[melantha]

I guess it's tradition here to have an argument what NTR is, every couple of months or so

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

I guess it's tradition here to have an argument what NTR is, every couple of months or so

Indeed. Im used to it by now.

Anyway, how's your game coming along?

 

[melantha]

Indeed. Im used to it by now.

Anyway, how's your game coming along?

still have a non-R18 game in the works, so they're still remaining in concept phase unfortunately