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[crnisl]

I mean, its at least understandable that girl might switch MC to a better lover, but if she switches to a guy who take a morning piss down her gullet, isn't it multiplying the feeling of being NTRed?

It doesn't work mechanically, I guess. A well described scene of kissing/groping by the bull might give much stronger NTR feeling than a scene of cute gf eating shit of another guy.

The relationship is built on love and trust. Netorare is anti-relationship - it’s about breaking that love, not just betraying the cuck, but also the girl herself. When she betrays the love she shares, she betrays her own heart. Describing or hinting at her feelings in this context is essential. If we're only talking about physical acts with no emotional connection to break any longer, then it's not NTR - it’s just a porn.

 

[Knight6797]

It doesn't work mechanically, I guess. A well described scene of kissing/groping by the bull might give much stronger NTR feeling than a scene of cute gf eating shit of another guy.

The relationship is built on love and trust. Netorare is anti-relationship - it’s about breaking that love, not just betraying the cuck, but also the girl herself. When she betrays the love she shares, she betrays her own heart. Describing or hinting at her feelings in this context is essential. If we're only talking about physical acts with no emotional connection to break any longer, then it's not NTR - it’s just a porn.

That is exactly what I was trying to say earlier too. If you take an "NTR" scene out of context, remove the text and have only the antagonist and the woman fucking each other it might aswell be normal porn/hentai. Context and character interactions is what makes NTR truly NTR. If you build a strong foundation and the girl is very committed to the MC, even stuff like just simply looking at her ass/tits, dropping nasty comments or being touchy can have an incredibly erotic effect, because it is something that is unacceptable in the eyes of the viewer to be doing that with the love interest/wife of someone else. To me this is what draws me into NTR in the first place.

 

[Readerf2b]

The NTR feeling ends when it pushes too far past the girl doing stuff she would've done for the MC but for another person.

Really? I mean, in many ntr games the girl is not even in a real relationship with MC, he just "late" to express his feelings or stuff like that. Or its not even a potential girlfriend, like his mom and sis.

Describing or hinting at her feelings in this context is essential. If we're only talking about physical acts with no emotional connection to break any longer, then it's not NTR - it’s just a porn.

Obviously feelings are important to buld the connection that you as a dev a going to exploit, but its essentially how absolute most games conclude - the feelings girl have had for MC are gone\twisted. Well sometimes its no longer ntr but a cuck ending, were girl is romantically involved with MC but gets dicking from antag on a regular schedule.

 

[melantha]

A question.
Does the way "villain" abuse a girl correlates with amount of pleasure you as a player get?

So does the upping of degradation of a girl actually adds the ntr-effect?

even if those are levels of intensity,
in how i view NTR, those are more like flavors.

different ntr enjoyers will favor sweet wife sex with bulls
others like brutal sex with bulls and have preference in opposite direction.

 

[kotfpp]

Really? I mean, in many ntr games the girl is not even in a real relationship with MC, he just "late" to express his feelings or stuff like that. Or its not even a potential girlfriend, like his mom and sis.

I don't see how that changes what I've said at all. BSS is its own separate thing but the same stuff applies even more. The MC has some idea of who the girl is because of how she presents and if she stays true to the idea in his head it makes sense that he'd feel loss because he didn't end up with her. If she ends up being a completely different person, why would he care?

 

[crnisl]

Really? I mean, in many ntr games the girl is not even in a real relationship with MC, he just "late" to express his feelings or stuff like that. Or its not even a potential girlfriend, like his mom and sis.

That's not much about what words were said between a girl and her beloved childhood-friend/son/brother. That's more about what she is.

There's a fitting quote from

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where MC's mother is getting gradually pressured by MC's friend.

(T-This kid is so annoying...)
Every day, Yukari devoted herself to being "Kento's mother".
And since her husband is away, she had no time to be a "wife".
The only time she could be a "woman" is when she's with her husband.
But with Touta's hands, those of a person who's not her husband, a part of her "womanly" side is getting stimulated.
It made the fear Yukari was feeling grow stronger.

Another fitting quote from 3d-comics

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, where MC's mom is coerced by his classmates.

I can't beleive I'm blowing three boys from Timmy's school, what kind of a mother am I? They must think I'm such a slut! No wonder they're being so disrespectful. Just a little longer, Tina, you can do this! These guys are just kids, they won't be able to last very long. This will be over any minute now.
What the hell am I doing? I'm letting these kids do whatever they want to me! I'm the adult here, I should be in control!
But things have gone too far already, I can't even tell them off anymore.

From

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, where MC's mom is fucking with his bully who was beaten by MC, so that MC wouldn't get a criminal record.

The repeated pain going wild in my abdomen.
The humiliation of having a boy my son's age having his way with me.
- You're so cold. Don't ignore me.
"This is to protect my son, my family, and our quiet life", I keep telling myself that as I endure this pain.
I made him use a condom. It's fine...

Do you feel the vibe?

 

[Senya_boy]

So, it doesn't correlate how much nasty things the antagonist subject the girl to?

I mean, its at least understandable that girl might switch MC to a better lover, but if she switches to a guy who take a morning piss down her gullet, isn't it multiplying the feeling of being NTRed?
So its like, for MC she was just a vanilla hand-holding GF but for a antagonist she is submissive cunt dripping masochist?

I feel like you're basically just describing the idea of corruption / 'slut-ification' -- the girl ending up into more things than she had been before, at least specifically with the guy stealing her if not in general -- just dialed up to the extreme. I certainly enjoy seeing that change being worked, but I don't feel like it being dialed up to be more and more extreme does much for me past a point.

Like, I feel like that's a big part of why these sort of stories tend to have the FMC be almost ridiculously 'pure' to start with, so that even with an end-point of a (relatively) tame "has a really big sex drive, constantly wants to be doing it with the bull", there's still a very stark contrast to where she started.

[...]there's no feeling of loss if she was fine with any of it and she wasn't who you thought she was.

If she ends up being a completely different person, why would he care?

I agree with a lot of what you seem to be saying, but think I might have a slightly different take here. Strictly speaking, the way you phrase it, I do agree; if the girl was just hiding her 'true' nature all along, and jumped at the chance to act on it, then that's not NTR. It's like I said in some earlier post as to why I consider 'cheating' a different genre.

To me, though, what you get in a lot of NTR that hits this sort of thing isn't the reveal that the girl wasn't actually who she pretended to be; it's that who she is is *changed*, remolded, generally very much against her will (at least at the start). Taken to extremes, it basically ends up being a sort of 'death of self': despite the girl still being alive and well, the *person* she was can be irrevocably gone.

(As a side note, you see this sort of dynamic a ton in stuff that's more overtly within the 'brainwashing' type of genre, which honestly NTR shares more with in terms of vibes than I feel like some people would want to admit. From a rational / emotional point of view, it's incredibly fucked up and disturbing, but if it's done well, it can be intensely arousing at the same time; again, contrast!)

 

[mdaka42]

Are there any sandbox games with flash 2d style animations (like NTR Legend, ntraholic) from cuck pov?

 

[crnisl]

'death of self': despite the girl still being alive and well, the *person* she was can be irrevocably gone

which honestly NTR shares more with in terms of vibes than I feel like some people would want to admit. From a rational / emotional point of view, it's incredibly fucked up and disturbing

Apocalyptic fantasies appeal to us psychologically by allowing us to shed our burdens and experience a form of soul cleansing. A cathartic release.

The fascination with NTR shares a similar essence.

As you can see, empathizing with the woman who's getting destroyed is an important part of experiencing the netorare narrative.

In Jung's theory, anima is both a personal complex and an archetypal image of woman in the male psyche. The anima functions in a man as his soul, so to speak.

Shee was as light
As Mee, and was as bright;
But Shee was, strange to tell,
Hanging down
With starry crown
Into a bottomless well!
Her gleaming eyes
In great surprise
Looked up to the eye of Mee:
A marvellous thing
Head-down to swing
Above a starry sea!

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[Cunt Hunter69]

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Apocalyptic fantasies appeal to us psychologically by allowing us to shed our burdens and experience a form of soul cleansing. A cathartic release.

The fascination with NTR shares a similar essence.

As you can see, empathizing with the woman who's getting destroyed is an important part of experiencing the netorare narrative.

In Jung's theory, anima is both a personal complex and an archetypal image of woman in the male psyche. The anima functions in a man as his soul, so to speak.

Shee was as light
As Mee, and was as bright;
But Shee was, strange to tell,
Hanging down
With starry crown
Into a bottomless well!
Her gleaming eyes
In great surprise
Looked up to the eye of Mee:
A marvellous thing
Head-down to swing
Above a starry sea!

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(1924)

Why did you put that picture here?

 

[crnisl]

Why did you put that picture here?

The Dance of Kali: Kali embodies the duality of destruction as a necessary precursor to new beginnings, while also representing the profound strength of feminine power - a force capable of achieving what men sometimes cannot.

The picture clearly illustrates the conceptual leap contained in my post: between apocalypse and anima. Isn't that evident?

P.S. And look at her ahegao!

 

[Cunt Hunter69]

The Dance of Kali: Kali embodies the duality of destruction as a necessary precursor to new beginnings, while also representing the profound strength of feminine power - a force capable of achieving what men sometimes cannot.

The picture clearly illustrates the conceptual leap contained in my post: between apocalypse and anima. Isn't that evident?

Makes sense

 

[Voilsh]

light novel ¨when hikaru was on earth¨could be considered netori. since the MC is the one aproaching the girls is almost vanilla to be fair the MC does not try to steal the girls. it is just that he helps them and then they fall in love slowly. but some really take their time. i think a girl appeared in volume 1 and realized she was in love in volume eight and conffesed in volume 10. it was slow

It's a great LN, but it gave no netori (and obviously not netorare) feel to me at all.
It's more of a harem drama romance.

 

[Otakusan94]

I am gonna ask a question that some might not like, but please, if you don't, just don't interact:
Do you guys happen to have any recommendations for NTR games with gay content? I am into guys, but also super into NTR, and this type of game is super hard to find in M/M games. So anybody knows any of them, please tell me?

 

[swaglord]

I am gonna ask a question that some might not like, but please, if you don't, just don't interact:
Do you guys happen to have any recommendations for NTR games with gay content? I am into guys, but also super into NTR, and this type of game is super hard to find in M/M games. So anybody knows any of them, please tell me?

Brother, I can't answer your question, but you shouldn't feel out of place to ask something like that here. We're a pervert community but we're not bigots!

 

[Ivriktwo]

It's a great LN, but it gave no netori (and obviously not netorare) feel to me at all.
It's more of a harem drama romance.

really? for me it was almost like all the women were in love with hikaru but then the MC comes and takes them. if hikaru was still alive that would be a perfect netori. but i see your point. the LN was sweet. it made my sugar level double in my mind

 

[Otakusan94]

Brother, I can't answer your question, but you shouldn't feel out of place to ask something like that here. We're a pervert community but we're not bigots!

I am well aware there are a lot of cool people here, and honestly, in most cases I wouldn't bother caring about those who aren't.
But I am also so, SO tired nowadays, I would rather avoid picking fights online.

 

[swaglord]

I am well aware there are a lot of cool people here, and honestly, in most cases I wouldn't bother caring about those who aren't.
But I am also so, SO tired nowadays, I would rather avoid picking fights online.

I get it man, I hate how intolerant gamer communities have become. I hope you'll find what you're looking for.

 

[Readerf2b]

I don't see how that changes what I've said at all. BSS is its own separate thing but the same stuff applies even more. The MC has some idea of who the girl is because of how she presents and if she stays true to the idea in his head it makes sense that he'd feel loss because he didn't end up with her. If she ends up being a completely different person, why would he care?

OK, I still don't get it.

So for example, MC sees a girl as his vanilla girlfriend, girl is also into him and vanilla as of now (known from players omnipresence), but there is no confession "yet".
Antag gets into a game, coerce and corrupts girl into more and more depraved sex.
Did she ends up completely different person in your as a player view or not?
She is still same girl, who developed a depraved kinks (maybe she even had them but was to shy to acknowledge it to herself) and obviously right now is not into MC at least sexually (she may still harbour purely romantic feelings for him, or not)

Its just, absolute most ntr games end this way - the girl is a huge slut for antag, that she obviously wasn't at the start of the game.

 

[Readerf2b]

That's not much about what words were said between a girl and her beloved childhood-friend/son/brother. That's more about what she is.

There's a fitting quote from

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where MC's mother is getting gradually pressured by MC's friend.


Another fitting quote from 3d-comics

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, where MC's mom is coerced by his classmates.


From

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, where MC's mom is fucking with his bully who was beaten by MC, so that MC wouldn't get a criminal record.


Do you feel the vibe?

I still dont get it. Yeah, obviously MCs mother still stays his mother. But she is a slut for antag at the same time. So technically, showing her sluttier with more extreme kinks should add to the NTRness, no?