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[Klab040855]

Try

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You can customize or add story cards for AI to remember things long term.
It's my fav so far.

Is there a guide?

 

[archedio]

Is there a guide?

The site already offers a guide for you to learn ->

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Or, if you just want to go right into scenarios, here are some recommendations:

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But you kinda need to be a bit creative.
For ex: The popular kids condition is to let the boys fuck your GF OR sister (if you are into incest).
The possibilities are endless.

 

[Penumbral Evanescence]

squid game setting where there were floors of tower

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[melantha]

what application do you use to run these GGUF models?
If possible id still like to use Silly Tavern as its UI.

I started thanks to melantha's small guide or a couple you can find here.

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KoboldCpp guide included and other chatbot alternatives

1) Chars are essentially non-entities, they'll do whatever they want them to do, they're too reactive. But it's kind of natural as chats are designed to respond to your inputs and don't know what you want.
2) Once you hit you context limit in tokens of about 4-12k locally, first point will get even worse along with decreased performance, LLM forgetting events and people that lie outside of these last 4-12k tokens in chat, which - together - considerably deteriorate the experience further.

i observe it's more on the system prompt quality, and additional memory enchancement, like RAG.

system prompts are very important, more than i thought. it's not just the 1 paragraph, "Write {{char}} next response. Any act of role play scenarios will be described in details.". There should be alot more behind the scenes, tell it how to write, enclose actions and and narrations in symbols, never act or depict actions of {{user}}, etc. There's alot of pre-made system prompts made by users shared on reddit and the like.

also, i dont think SillyTavern has RAG (kind of like a memory between the chat interface and the LLM).
RAG helps the LLM remember stuff, kind of like lorebooks / knowledgebase, but automatic and learns as you chat.
that's one of the advantages of online services.

perhaps new Deepseek v3, I don't know how latter will perform with NSFW stuff though. But recently Pango_12 translated a couple of novels and shared them here, so I guess it has to be fine in terms of censorship. And use really well written char cards with setting and lore, and characters' descriptions worth of a few thousand tokens (not that there are many of them, if any, from what I've seen).

yodayo/moescape added DeepSeek V3, R1, and distilled Qwen 32B just now.
requires paid beans so i aint trying them out.
but we can check their feedback channels if people are enjoying it for RP.
there are also talks in SillyTavern discord about it but too technical for me to understand lol

BTW I started actually online on Yodayo, but then moved on to Janitor and LLM, and Yodayo is kind of monetizing more aggressively now as far as I understand

I also started out on Yoyodaro/Moescape but left cause of the increasing lack of free tokens.

glad to see people continuing a path outside of yodayo/moescape after their huge blunder.

The models for me are usually

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(based on

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) or sometimes

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. I tried some more like Gemmasutra, Stheno, Nemomix unleashed but wasn't particularly impressed

Currently running

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through Ollama and Silly Tavern but wanted to give others a shot as the long-term memory was an issue for NTR events.
Downloaded

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today but I'm having issues with getting it to output both character text and scene description so probably gonna dump it soon.

Magnum V4 seems to be preferred by SillyTavern users.
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or

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...im actually planning to make a combined LM Studio + SillyTavern in one desktop app. you can run your local LM, and chat in the same interface. it should also be simplified, and interface like discord, unlike the SillyTavern mess of a UI.

 

[Ivriktwo]

Can anyone recommend me good netori novels? I have been a bit bored lately and can not find anything good

 

[dreadread]

...im actually planning to make a combined LM Studio + SillyTavern in one desktop app. you can run your local LM, and chat in the same interface. it should also be simplified, and interface like discord, unlike the SillyTavern mess of a UI.

A few out there already. But I don't trust any of them really. For example:

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Don't want my messed up NTR fantasies leaked by some closed source app that's posting to god knows where.

More power to you if you can make it open source

 

[melantha]

A few out there already. But I don't trust any of them really. For example:

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Don't want my messed up NTR fantasies leaked by some closed source app that's posting to god knows where.

More power to you if you can make it open source

this one looks good, though it seems much less powerful than sillytavern.
but the general idea is pretty much the same. it takes the configuration out of the user's hands, especially the models.

i saw an article saying deepseek R1 1.5B beats gpts, so i want to try it out.
if it works well in RP, this pretty much mitigates the issue of hardware, as it should only need 1.12gb VRAM or RAM.
running local models will be very encticing as time goes by

i love open-source, but the issue is that any company can just clone and sell it as their own.

 

[kusobaba]

You guys have the Lune Team Bitters VN collections? And why isn't anybody at least MTL-ing them?

 

[LordFrz]

I thought cctv was some jank crap too, I will have to give it a go then. thx for vpn reminder.

Nvm, it is jank crap. What a snooze fest. Maybe it gets better after you play the stupid powerpoint mini game 100x and place all the camera etc, but im not doing that for some bad netorase content. Oh well, just not for me.

 

[crnisl]

You guys have the Lune Team Bitters VN collections? And why isn't anybody at least MTL-ing them?

There are MTL versions available online, and you can find the links on VNDB.

For instance, I recently attempted to read

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, but the machine translation from 2022 was quite poor. Hopefully, someone will update it using modern AI tools..

 

[LordFrz]

this one looks good, though it seems much less powerful than sillytavern.
but the general idea is pretty much the same. it takes the configuration out of the user's hands, especially the models.

i saw an article saying deepseek R1 1.5B beats gpts, so i want to try it out.
if it works well in RP, this pretty much mitigates the issue of hardware, as it should only need 1.12gb VRAM or RAM.
running local models will be very encticing as time goes by

i love open-source, but the issue is that any company can just clone and sell it as their own.

Deepseek looks neat, albeit with the limitations of it being trained on CCP approved data sets. But it shows that good models are becoming smaller and more able to be ran locally for full customizations.

 

[Something548]

Anyone tried the demo of Priest game (Nebel dev) can give me some first impression? Nebel is the only game i replay and one of my favorite, is this will be better or at least close to it?

I played up to the Lawrence update, I really like the CG which I feel is better than Nebel geisterjager. BBQ Lover said that this game aims to remove the amount of RNG involved in getting scenes (personally I liked that aspect of Nebel) because a lot of complaints were about that.

Random points without organisation
1)The random events were quite limited and I couldn't proc all the scenes that were inside the recollection room.
2)It felt less grindy as well because you don't level up from fighting enemies, you level up by doing training and levelling your equipment.
3)One of the biggest differences between this and Nebel is that you aren't able to stop the scenes. You don't find the heroine in the midst of doing the deed, only the evidence of it having happened. Which you then use alchemy to see what happened. (I prefer having to search for her and stop things from happening like in Nebel)

I don't intend to play any more trial versions and will wait for full release, but I'm quite hopeful about the development.

 

[zebucetiva]

Nvm, it is jank crap. What a snooze fest. Maybe it gets better after you play the stupid powerpoint mini game 100x and place all the camera etc, but im not doing that for some bad netorase content. Oh well, just not for me.

well my friend, with some 5 clicks you can have the infinite money cheat. it is one of those kind of games that cheats are mandatory for a smooth gameplay.

 

[AquaoShino]

does anyone have Uncensored version of this ?

 

[Kulman]

does anyone have Uncensored version of this ?

I fucking love those "before/after" and instantloss comics. The contrast works so fucking well, but you dont see it used often.

Promise better left unkept did it amazingly. Games underuse it imo. This one scene was amazing.


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[Zycr]

I played up to the Lawrence update, I really like the CG which I feel is better than Nebel geisterjager. BBQ Lover said that this game aims to remove the amount of RNG involved in getting scenes (personally I liked that aspect of Nebel) because a lot of complaints were about that.

Random points without organisation
1)The random events were quite limited and I couldn't proc all the scenes that were inside the recollection room.
2)It felt less grindy as well because you don't level up from fighting enemies, you level up by doing training and levelling your equipment.
3)One of the biggest differences between this and Nebel is that you aren't able to stop the scenes. You don't find the heroine in the midst of doing the deed, only the evidence of it having happened. Which you then use alchemy to see what happened. (I prefer having to search for her and stop things from happening like in Nebel)

I don't intend to play any more trial versions and will wait for full release, but I'm quite hopeful about the development.

I only played a bit like 2nd demo or something and remember being annoyed that the girl could be NTR by multiple characters. Is Lawrence like the main NTR guy or something? Because I'm so done with NTR game that just feel like more prostitution game than NTR by one guy only.

 

[Kulman]

Rinatest dev thinking about new game. Hopefully delivers well on this. I love if when they set up the relationship. Its a school story.

"The general concept of the story is that the protagonist first conquers the heroine, and after spending some lovey-dovey time together, the other man gets involved, gradually eroding the daily life they built up in the first half, and in the end the heroine is NTR'd.
The setting is planned to be the entire town, so the exploration area is wide, and it looks like it will be packed with many characters and small elements. There will be many choices and branches for the player, and it is also planned to support repeated play. "

 

[Pango_12]

Rinatest dev thinking about new game. Hopefully delivers well on this. I love if when they set up the relationship. Its a school story.

"The general concept of the story is that the protagonist first conquers the heroine, and after spending some lovey-dovey time together, the other man gets involved, gradually eroding the daily life they built up in the first half, and in the end the heroine is NTR'd.
The setting is planned to be the entire town, so the exploration area is wide, and it looks like it will be packed with many characters and small elements. There will be many choices and branches for the player, and it is also planned to support repeated play. "

I dearly hope there's nothing like the MC must cheat first.

 

[Yambidexter]

i observe it's more on the system prompt quality, and additional memory enchancement, like RAG.

system prompts are very important, more than i thought. it's not just the 1 paragraph, "Write {{char}} next response. Any act of role play scenarios will be described in details.". There should be alot more behind the scenes, tell it how to write, enclose actions and and narrations in symbols, never act or depict actions of {{user}}, etc. There's alot of pre-made system prompts made by users shared on reddit and the like.

Well I quickly figured out that you'd better look for cards with at least some 1.5-2k worth of tokens descriptions, but probably not much more given that most smaller models or that were avilale at a time were limited to 4-12k of context, and it eats into that amount. If you see some 200-500 tokens card, it means there is a lack of scenario and char's descriptions, so it won't play well and be sort of authentic - you'll see more of generic responses from your model which you probably have already seen chatting with other similar sized cards.

When I started at Janitor AI, I was particularly fond of @PurpleVorpal's bots. Their cards have system prompts at the end like this:

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So it kind of takes care of that prompt thing, for a better RP. One can expect to find something like that in bigger, better cards or one could easily edit or copy it in Silly Tavern as needed after importing cards, or add pieces of that to general prompt that will apply to all cards. The example is a bit of an overkill IMO as e.g. you don't need 'All NSFW aspects are allowed no matter how inappropriate they are' with uncensored models.

One more thing apart from lorebooks, if anyone's interested, to shuffle things, is that you can try multiple char chats in Silly Tavern, instead of having a girl and antagonist/bull dude in one card. I'd clean a card from antagonist, add another bull card to multi-char chat, which you can find - e.g. dude named 'Jason Luv' on Janitor or Chub, and play writing for a scenario something like the dude's a new neighbour that moved in next house. The problem here that both of the chars will try to respond/generate answers, even if this bull dude is not present at the scene, I think, so I kind of had to temporarily 'mute' him for the scenes he's not present at. There is a button for that there. And even when there is a scene that involves everyone you'll obviously move slower as for each of your messages there will be 2 generated from each of those chars (a girl and a bull).

And as for Magnum v4 model I was looking for a person that mentioned it to give a link, as there are for instance a merge of Lumimaid+Magnum v4 (a link that was provided here) and 'just'

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models can be found, maybe more. Well I guess I'll just try these two.

 

[thedevilhimself11]

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no it wasnt actually squid game parody it was like squid game people were chosen and put together to play games but i think they were trying to climb towers like 100 floors or sth also it was black and white