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[Zycr]

At the risk of my non-existent reputation, I'm going to put out an opinion that will probably have 90 percent of people roast my ass.

NTR games with only one partner/bull are mid. Most of them end up sounding like the average female drama where another guy sweeps them off their feet with their money, looks, or status. Except you're in the position of the poor shmuck who watches it happen rather than the female lead who is portraying it as a fairy tale.

NTR with multiple partners is the true debauchery.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Hi dear NTR comrade, I'm one of those 90% who will roast your ass.

No but seriously, while I do find some multiple partner NTR game great like My... , most of those just feel like protitution. The only emotion she feels is "oh, I love sex, they all have better dick than my husband/boyfriend/whatever". You just start to dislike the heroine because she's just a whore in disguise.

This is why I much prefer NTR with only one antagonist where the heroine really fall not only for sex but also in love for the antagonist. You still like the heroine, but she has chosen another person and it feels like she was really stolen from you, instead of her just going into crazy sex mode whenever she see anyone but you in the street in multi-protag NTR where I just feel like "wow, she like sex" and don't really feel anything since the heroine wasn't really in love with you to begin with.

Nice TED talk though .

 

[PrivateEyes]

Hi dear NTR comrade, I'm one of those 90% who will roast your ass.

No but seriously, while I do find some multiple partner NTR game great like My... , most of those just feel like protitution. The only emotion she feels is "oh, I love sex, they all have better dick than my husband/boyfriend/whatever". You just start to dislike the heroine because she's just a whore in disguise.

This is why I much prefer NTR with only one antagonist where the heroine really fall not only for sex but also in love for the antagonist. You still like the heroine, but she has chosen another person and it feels like she was really stolen from you, instead of her just going into crazy sex mode whenever she see anyone but you in the street in multi-protag NTR where I just feel like "wow, she like sex" and don't really feel anything since the heroine wasn't really in love with you to begin with.

Nice TED talk though .

I appreciate your perspective, comrade.

 

[mtl poet]

Call me old man but the best ntr I ever played was the vn that was around 2008-2018...it was like a gold age from japan...

Have you played "Sayoko ~ The Summer I Wished Upon a Star"? I can't honestly say it's one of the best NTRs I've ever tried or anything, but fuck me if I say it didn't get to me after many hours of playing. Truly one of the few slice-of-life experiences out there.

 

[Yambidexter]

In my opinion if you don't have MC you don't have NTR...It's just cheat on female perspective.

At this point something like that has to be pinned and showed on top of every page here.

But it won't change their ways anyway.

'Well it's not set in stone, and if feels like NTR to me, so it must be it.'

'Well it's Japanese term so they now better and when they put the NTR tag over every shitty game to upsell it it must definitely be it.' (that one reminds me of 'Everyone says or does something, so it must be right'. Crap worthy of a 5 y.o.)

'Well NTR means someone being taken away from you when you're 'sleeping' i.e. don't know about that so when a neigbour feeds your dog behind your back and they run away to him eventually it must be it, definitely' (no joking here. And some people even upvoted this shit).

'Well I play an NTR RPG game and move around and fight and make all the choices regarding endings/branches, but oh no I don't self-insert, I'm an omni-potent God just watching the story, but it still must be NTR when some gal fucks around on her boyfriend appearing a couple of times during the game or just being barely mentioned' (every omni-potent overwatching God gets jealous and angsty when some random unrelated gal cheats on her BF/husband, cause this is what NTR is about, right?).

Pathetic. But pointless to argue. As it was aptly put, 'they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'. One more thing comes to mind - Goya's 'The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters'. Must be difficult to live devoid of logical capabilities -

I wonder if it ever occurs to them that term 'cheating' (that's what's happening when some gal fucks around on her man) has been around for millenia, and 'netorare/green hat' probably for a century or two. Cause the next thing would be to ask oneself - why is that? The new term appearing when there is an older one established? What is the difference here?

Or it would be easy to grasp that stealing is something that is done covertly, without the subject being aware, otherwise it'd have been something different - robbery. So without any dwelling into the ethymology of Japanese term it's clear that 'sleeping' part of it doesn't mean 'not knowing', cause it's redundant, it's sexual as in 'sleeping with someone'. This immediately stops these cats and dogs - monsters produced by the sleeping reason - train of thought from running rampant, to your neighbour or wherever else... Ironically, the guy would persevere and even patronize you saying how complex and nuanced Asian culture and meanings can be and how elusive they are for western barbarians, LMFAO...

Sigh...

 

[Sayasaya111]

Would,

"If it hurts you, it's NTR."

help?
Because that's the main thing I seek from NTR.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

Not this again.

Guess I'll just have to simply explain why fmc ntr is ntr. This time with a good and simple logic behind it. Just go watch JAV ntrs. It's 80% focused in female pov. It's also hidden ntr most of the time. Unrealistic , a bit rapey sometimes, but it still hooks a lot of people. Now apply that to an ntr game. That's pretty much it really.

And it's not exactly cheating (depending on the game) , as theyre mostly blackmailed, forced , hypnotized, corrupted and the like.

Im not even a big fan of fmc ntr, but at least, I understand the perspective of it. Is it better than ntr w/ male protag? No (on rare circumstances, it can be).

I'll say it again, just leave the fmc ntr enjoyers alone. If you cant see what they can see, that's a You problem. No need to cry about it if you cant get into it.

 

[blablablagivemethemoney]

Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.

What's funny is, I got through the intro of the game, and quit once things actually got spicy. The reason being that Kagura's translation didn't have functioning fucking text wrapping during sex scenes (for the bits of flavour text iirc) and I HATE missing out on words lmfao.

I don't know if that issue is fixed now (it probably is), but I don't think I will play Kubel anytime soon. Back then I was still discovering the different aspects of NTR I liked, and now I have pretty solid tastes in NTR - exclusively female protagonist NTR is something I do not care for unfortunately.

 

[monsterartisan]

Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.

I want to like kubel, it has a really good idea on how it works. It's just a lot too easy for me. I want the heroine to actually be forced into it. NTR games where NTR is easy to avoid just takes me out of the immersion because now I have to deliberately choose it.

 

[monsterartisan]

At the risk of my non-existent reputation, I'm going to put out an opinion that will probably have 90 percent of people roast my ass.

NTR games with only one partner/bull are mid. Most of them end up sounding like the average female drama where another guy sweeps them off their feet with their money, looks, or status. Except you're in the position of the poor shmuck who watches it happen rather than the female lead who is portraying it as a fairy tale.

NTR with multiple partners is the true debauchery.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Now that you have said this. I am curious and want to ask you specifically. What is your opinion on one bull NTR game but at the later part of the corruption. The bull prostitutes the heroine/FL.

 

[BaoJenesis]

Hey guys! Do you know how to translate asmr content or it script to english?

 

[Komdot]

Just go watch JAV ntrs.

Worst possible example, it just shows that NTR + FMC are bad, JAVs are horrible in history and especially those of NTR.
Gyu must be the kings of the NTR then... I'm not 100% against FMC NTR, but it only works when you also play as the cuck a bit, or in some part, there's no NTR when it's you yourself making her cheat, it's no fun, mainly because you're watching everything, it already takes away the mystery that is another fundamental part.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

Worst possible example, it just shows that NTR + FMC are bad, JAVs are horrible in history and especially those of NTR.
Gyu must be the kings of the NTR then... I'm not 100% against FMC NTR, but it only works when you also play as the cuck a bit, or in some part, there's no NTR when it's you yourself making her cheat, it's no fun, mainly because you're watching everything, it already takes away the mystery that is another fundamental part.

That's why I said it's not better than male protag ntr in general. In the end, that's just your own preference and you're simply not enjoying the context of it. Which, is ok. Not everyone can like the same thing.

Lots of people still watches jav ntr and I see no problem with it.Heck even in ntr mangas, it's mostly 80% female pov. Even in hentai ntr ones.

Sometimes, people are not looking for the "mystery" in ntr , they're looking for the saddistic part of it , where the love interest/lover of fmc wont get her anymore. If you dont have the same lense on how people play fmc ntr, you will NEVER understand it.

 

[-FibaG-]

Not this again.

Guess I'll just have to simply explain why fmc ntr is ntr. This time with a good and simple logic behind it. Just go watch JAV ntrs. It's 80% focused in female pov. It's also hidden ntr most of the time. Unrealistic , a bit rapey sometimes, but it still hooks a lot of people. Now apply that to an ntr game. That's pretty much it really.

And it's not exactly cheating (depending on the game) , as theyre mostly blackmailed, forced , hypnotized, corrupted and the like.

Im not even a big fan of fmc ntr, but at least, I understand the perspective of it. Is it better than ntr w/ male protag? No (on rare circumstances, it can be).

I'll say it again, just leave the fmc ntr enjoyers alone. If you cant see what they can see, that's a You problem. No need to cry about it if you cant get into it.

Chill my friend nobody cry around here it was my opinion if you like or dislike that's your problem.

If I don't enjoy "only fmc ntr" that's not mean I need to force myself to like it, they're free to play whatever they want but for me it didn't feel at all that is a true netorare is just a girl that cheat around and fuck other guys...it's more netori than netorare.

For netorare you need to feel something when you read the story(and if you are man you can related more with mc than fmc), it's not the same shit...only mc or both perspective if not is not netorare it's simple to understand.
For fmc to have netorare is when her man fuck other girls and fmc feel the pain in her relatioship with that guy, but most fmc with ntr tag in games have just corruption on her side not on the guy, so it focus corruption on herself do you get what I say now?

Yea I enjoy when I have 2 perspective both male and female to create the tension & feelings between them if the game let you to choose.

and on Jav is just pure marketing to put ntr on everything just to sell more, you can't be serious when you compare games with jav it's a total different.
In jav is a minimal story background to even feel something when you watch it...You probably feel more when you look on the Movies in drama genre some movies yes have the feeling of ntr because it focus on characters....In jav is just sex with 10% story.

 

[mtl poet]

Hey guys! Do you know how to translate asmr content or it script to english?

Sugoi toolkit can produce quite decent results, but you have to edit out some parts for better (and faster) outputs. Problem is...

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[cIoseopenbrutal]

Chill my friend nobody cry around here it was my opinion if you like or dislike that's your problem.

Wasnt really going after you, it's the comment made by Yambidexter. In your initial comment, you said "in your opinion" , so I didnt really care about that post if im being honest. On the other hand, Yambidexter said and I quote;

At this point something like that has to be pinned and showed on top of every page here.

like he's high and mighty. like some kind of ntr ruler.

For netorare you need to feel something when you read the story(and if you are man you can related more with mc than fmc), it's not the same shit...only mc or both perspective if not is not netorare it's simple to understand.
For fmc to have netorare is when her man fuck other girls and fmc feel the pain in her relatioship with that guy, but most fmc with ntr tag in games have just corruption on her side not on the guy, so it focus corruption on herself do you get what I say now?

Yea I enjoy when I have 2 perspective both male and female to create the tension & feelings between them if the game let you to choose.

and on Jav is just pure marketing to put ntr on everything just to sell more, you can't be serious when you compare games with jav it's a total different.
In jav is a minimal story background to even feel something when you watch it...You probably feel more when you look on the Movies in drama genre some movies yes have the feeling of ntr because it focus on characters....In jav is just sex with 10% story

As for the rest of this opinion, let's just agree to disagree. If you really understand what I've been saying , from the perspective of fmc ntr player, you wont have the need to say all these things.

 

[Kulman]

Wasnt really going after you, it's the comment made by Yambidexter. In your initial comment, you said "in your opinion" , so I didnt really care about that post if im being honest. On the other hand, Yambidexter said and I quote;



like he's high and mighty. like some kind of ntr ruler.



As for the rest of this opinion, let's just agree to disagree.

You should have links to all the fmc discussions in your signature so we dont do this every week.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

I should stop here now. Not gonna entertain the same old response ,same old reasoning from different people. In the end , as always, nobody wins.

FMC ntr is a thing. Whether you like it or not. It aint going anywhere.We can see and understand people that they view it as "cheating". BUT, the rest of us , can see it as ntr. If you want more discussions on the topic, just simply search the entirety of this thread.

You should have links to all the fmc discussions in your signature so we dont do this every week.

At this point , I should do it honestly. lol

 

[Ion.TemUS]

At the risk of my non-existent reputation, I'm going to put out an opinion that will probably have 90 percent of people roast my ass.

NTR games with only one partner/bull are mid. Most of them end up sounding like the average female drama where another guy sweeps them off their feet with their money, looks, or status. Except you're in the position of the poor shmuck who watches it happen rather than the female lead who is portraying it as a fairy tale.

NTR with multiple partners is the true debauchery.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

I disagree, but understand that some people feel that way.
For me personally multiple partners often ruins it, tho it depends how it is implemented.
Multiple routes is okay and I understand people want variety.
The issue I have with multiple partners is that it becomes way more about the sluttification of the FMC than about the actual cheating with a specific antagonist. Like it almost devalues the significance of the FMC for me because they just turn into total nymphomaniacs with no regard to whjo they have sex with. Idk why but that just ruins it for me.

Kubel is definitely top-tier in the NTR genre. No debate about that.
The reason it’s not as popular as other games is that it’s too genuine of an NTR game.
A lot of people don’t actually want honest, gradual NTR but fast-food NTR.
I hate using the term, but "NTR tourists" are a very real thing.

They love the taboo idea of NTR more than how well it’s actually implemented.
And they are averse to reading if it’s not dialog that advances the H. That’s why RPG Makers and animated games are always trending over traditional VNs.
I’ve seen some really amazing takes like "NTR Phone" and "NTR Legend" being called masterpieces of the genre.
That’s like calling wrestlers the best fighters ever. ><

But you don’t have to take my word for it. Just have a look at Kubel’s F95 thread.
What’s the most common complaint?
That there are no H-scenes within the first few hours of the game.

The attention spans of modern H-gamers are truly lamentable.

I mean tbf. NTR Phone might not be a masterpiece but I think the writing is really strong compared to the trash of some of these RPG-makers "NTR fast food" games (as you called them, and I agree with that) or other "phone / text-chat based" NTR games. v

Edit: Nevermind I was thinking of NTR Mobile.

But yea Kubel is great.
And the most common complaint is the slow pace AND that there is only 1 partner. And then there is the "this is Female POV, that's not NTR".

 

[Komdot]

FMC + NTR is a niche, those who like this niche like it, those who don't will never like it.
The fact is: no FMC+NTR will be better than an NTR with MC.

 

[skyblueaster]

Female protagonist games are definitely NTR.
The problem it doesn't "feel" NTR is because of (sadly) bad writing by many devs.
Many of these "FMC NTR" games should really be labeled corruption because the male partner is literally a footnote in those games.
There are no feelings of jealousy if the character "stolen from" appears for less than five minutes.

Refuse to classify FMC POV games as NTR? That’s on you.
Dislike FMC NTR games because many simply aren’t good? Fair.

You don't need to self-insert into the FMC, you just need to enjoy the prospect of a loving couple getting broken apart. To engage in their feelings of anguish and despair. 90% of NTR doujinshi is female POV; some are surely bad but others are definitely good.

That being said, I enjoy both perspectives, so I employ both MC and FMC POV in my game.
I have no problems "self-inserting" or relating to MC/FMC as long as it’s written well.